User talk:BearDutch
Casablanca comment on my talk page
[edit]You should have started a new discussion on my talk page instead of adding a comment about Casablanca to a section of my talk page about Hollywoodland, but thanks for the input. Good luck and enjoy editing at the Wikipedia. Rray 03:11, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
Your edit to the article Freehold Township High School added Caroline O'Connor as a notable. She has no Wikipedia article of her own and until she does she should not be reinserted. Alansohn (talk) 02:06, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- A Wikipedia article is not a requirement. Countless high schoolsl wikipedia pages notable alumni do not have their own page. She has more news articles and appeared in media more than half the people on that list. Please provide another valid reason she should not be on page. A reporter from the Herald Beat would also be interested in speaking with you and your reasons for not including a womam of her significance on the page. BearDutch (talk) 10:47, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- Notables in such lists need Wikiepdia articles demonstrating notability (which Caroline O'Connor does not have) and reliable and verifiable sources demonstrating a connection to the school. The source you provided makes no mention of Freehold Township High School, let alone of Freehold Township. Your most recent edit, reinserted the same person as a notable with the same invalid source, while removing a notable with both an article AND the required source. I would be more than happy to speak to a reporter or to any individual who can better help you to understand Wikipedia policy. Alansohn (talk) 12:22, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for the reply. We will find the source for a reference to her being an alumni of freehold township high school. In reference to wiki policy, I do not see any mention requiring a notable to have a wikipedia page. "A person should be included as a "notable alumna or alumnus" if the person would qualify for an article in his or her own right under Wikipedia: Notability (people)." So if we include the article reference to her historical accomplishment and as an alumni to the high school will she be allowed? I apologize for a deletion of another notable, that was an error. We have removed Ms. O'Connor until clarification and will reinsert the missing notable, Emmanuel Ubilla, asap. BearDutch (talk) 16:35, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:Notable alumni, from which you appear to make your claim, is NOT a policy. In reviewing the sources you've cited, This source from ESPN makes no mention of Freehold Township, let alone Freehold Township High School. This one from Baseball-Reference mentions Freehold Township, but not the high school; furthermore, this part of the site is user-edited and there is clear consensus that it is unreliable as a source. This source from NorthJersey.com mentions Freehold Township, but not Freehold Township High School. I appreciate the effort, but she still has no article and not one of the sources establish here attendance at Freehold Township High School. If you insist that she belongs somewhere, add her to the article for Freehold Township, New Jersey. But here entry simply does not belong here. Even if it is moved elsewhere, the only meaningful (and usable) source is the one from NorthJersey.com. Alansohn (talk) 21:04, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- Asbury Park Press was added with validation as Freehold Township Alumni, 1994 Girls High School Basketball Preview article. I think we can agree Wikipedia:Notable alumni is a consensus. If not not sure how much we can reach through talk. We can move to next level if you wish or open to any ways to compromise. BearDutch (talk) 22:38, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- I also replaced the ESPN reference article with Jessica Golden's CNBNC article stating "Miami Marlins promote Caroline O’Connor, making her pro baseball’s second-highest ranking woman" as a validation for Notable Alumni. BearDutch (talk) 23:03, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:Notable alumni, from which you appear to make your claim, is NOT a policy. In reviewing the sources you've cited, This source from ESPN makes no mention of Freehold Township, let alone Freehold Township High School. This one from Baseball-Reference mentions Freehold Township, but not the high school; furthermore, this part of the site is user-edited and there is clear consensus that it is unreliable as a source. This source from NorthJersey.com mentions Freehold Township, but not Freehold Township High School. I appreciate the effort, but she still has no article and not one of the sources establish here attendance at Freehold Township High School. If you insist that she belongs somewhere, add her to the article for Freehold Township, New Jersey. But here entry simply does not belong here. Even if it is moved elsewhere, the only meaningful (and usable) source is the one from NorthJersey.com. Alansohn (talk) 21:04, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for the reply. We will find the source for a reference to her being an alumni of freehold township high school. In reference to wiki policy, I do not see any mention requiring a notable to have a wikipedia page. "A person should be included as a "notable alumna or alumnus" if the person would qualify for an article in his or her own right under Wikipedia: Notability (people)." So if we include the article reference to her historical accomplishment and as an alumni to the high school will she be allowed? I apologize for a deletion of another notable, that was an error. We have removed Ms. O'Connor until clarification and will reinsert the missing notable, Emmanuel Ubilla, asap. BearDutch (talk) 16:35, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- Notables in such lists need Wikiepdia articles demonstrating notability (which Caroline O'Connor does not have) and reliable and verifiable sources demonstrating a connection to the school. The source you provided makes no mention of Freehold Township High School, let alone of Freehold Township. Your most recent edit, reinserted the same person as a notable with the same invalid source, while removing a notable with both an article AND the required source. I would be more than happy to speak to a reporter or to any individual who can better help you to understand Wikipedia policy. Alansohn (talk) 12:22, 22 March 2023 (UTC)