User talk:Bayonet-lightbulb

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Style guides, rubels and zlotys.

My only interest is in improving this website's coverage of various topics I feel are not currently well-served. I am not interested in popularity contests, only in hard verifiable fact. And it seems to me that in terms of hard verifiable fact the word "zloty" appears without the diacritic in English in all instances, that is the WP:COMMONNAME use and I provided evidence in favour of it. I was unable to find any evidence in the style guide that importing non-English diacritics "is the right thing to do", if there is a section saying that why did you not link it?

Finally, why do you believe the Polish National Bank is "wrong" and the National Bank of the Republic of Belarus is "right"? This seems like sheer hypocrisy to me. I favour "rubel" as it is a more direct transliteration from Belarusian, is supported by multiple reliable sources, aids in disambiguation, and avoids issues with differing standardised dialectical forms of English. So far you have provided few proofs in favour of your viewpoints, preferring assertion over evidence. TheCurrencyGuy (talk) 21:28, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, hope you're well. I'll freely admit, I've come round to your viewpoint on the rubel. The move request was a knee-jerk reaction on my part as I feel the processes for moving page titles (even when they are wrong), especially long-standing ones, should be followed (see WP:CONSENSUS, and I note the consensus mechanism is not a "popularity contest"), exactly to avoid things like this discussion. At this point I see no reason to go further into some ridiculous edit war, but I ask you to retract your comment that I made the move request out of spite, as it was in fact made out of a view towards the continued good order of the website.

On the złoty, I do not dispute that it may be the common name in English, however, moving it to zloty would create a precedent for vast change beyond simply currency names, seeing as the vast majority of Polish-topic pages on Wikipedia make use of all diacritics and a fully Polish name, often-used names like Warsaw which are significantly different from their Polish counterpart excepted (see WP:MOSPOL). Thanks for your time and your commitment to improving the encyclopedia.Bayonet-lightbulb (talk) 03:27, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

I apologise for my brusque attitude.

I feel "zloty" is well established enough in English usage to justify it (Polish sources written in English appear to affirm this). I am no expert on Polish-matters, but the orthography section does say "unless there is established usage in verifiable reliable sources in English". I believe "zloty" is one of those cases. TheCurrencyGuy (talk) 06:56, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks to all this they're trying to ban me now. I have tried very hard to improve coverage, but now its all crashing and burning because of a kneejerk. TheCurrencyGuy (talk) 20:01, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Well, now its all over. Are you happy now? TheCurrencyGuy (talk) 10:29, 11 October 2022 (UTC)