User talk:Bacon.madeleine

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March 2023

Your edit to Westwood Country Club has been removed in whole or in part, as it appears to have added copyrighted material to Wikipedia without evidence of permission from the copyright holder. If you are the copyright holder, please read Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials for more information on uploading your material to Wikipedia. For legal reasons, Wikipedia cannot accept copyrighted material, including text or images from print publications or from other websites, without an appropriate and verifiable license. All such contributions will be deleted. You may use external websites or publications as a source of information, but not as a source of content, such as sentences or images—you must write using your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously, and persistent violators of our copyright policy will be blocked from editing. See Wikipedia:Copying text from other sources for more information. Taking Out The Trash (talk) 13:18, 24 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You may not copy text directly from the Westwood Country Club website to Wikipedia. Please do not do so again, at risk of being blocked. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 13:44, 24 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi WikiDan61, I'm sure you can see I did try copy and pasting the first few attempts. But this last attempt I typed it out and did not copy and paste. Is this still against the rules? The info that can be publicly viewed on our website is what we want on our Wikipedia page. How can I make sure this happens? Thanks. Bacon.madeleine (talk) 13:49, 24 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't matter whether you actually use a "copy-paste" operation or if you type the text manually; the text you added was identical to the text at the WCC website, and is therefore a violation of that site's copyrights. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 13:58, 24 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

OK, so the text just cannot be identical? Can you send me a link outlining the constraints so this does not happen again? Bacon.madeleine (talk) 14:00, 24 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

WP:Copying text from other sources should be a good place to start. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 15:07, 24 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, does this suffice as an acceptable edit?:

Westwood Country Club was founded in 1907 by a group of men looking to organize a country club for the Jewish community. The club would serve as an environment to encourage mental and physical well-being through athletic and social activities. In 1927 the current grounds were purchased, and construction of the golf course followed. Members were able to play the course in 1928, with official opening of the clubhouse in 1928 on Thanksgiving Day. Although the physical building has undergone many changes and updates, the rich spirit of camaraderie, family, and hospitality is just as strong. In addition to the clubhouse Westwood Country Club’s campus includes an 18-hole championship golf course designed by Harold Paddock, 9-hole executive course, 12 tennis courts, 9 pickleball courts, and an Olympic sized swimming pool. Bacon.madeleine (talk) 19:40, 24 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Bacon.madeleine. The nature of your edits, such as the one you made to Westwood Country Club, gives the impression you have an undisclosed financial stake in promoting a topic, but you have not complied with Wikipedia's mandatory paid editing disclosure requirements. Paid advocacy is a category of conflict of interest (COI) editing that involves being compensated by a person, group, company or organization to use Wikipedia to promote their interests. Undisclosed paid advocacy is prohibited by our policies on neutral point of view and what Wikipedia is not, and is an especially serious type of COI; the Wikimedia Foundation regards it as a "black hat" practice akin to black-hat search-engine optimization.

Paid advocates are very strongly discouraged from direct article editing, and should instead propose changes on the talk page of the article in question if an article exists. If the article does not exist, paid advocates are extremely strongly discouraged from attempting to write an article at all. At best, any proposed article creation should be submitted through the articles for creation process, rather than directly.

Regardless, if you are receiving or expect to receive compensation for your edits, broadly construed, you are required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at User:Bacon.madeleine. The template {{Paid}} can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form: {{paid|user=Bacon.madeleine|employer=InsertName|client=InsertName}}. If I am mistaken – you are not being directly or indirectly compensated for your edits – please state that in response to this message. Otherwise, please provide the required disclosure. In either case, do not edit further until you answer this message. Drm310 🍁 (talk) 19:34, 24 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi,

I am already working with WikiDan61 on this. He said I may not copy and paste from our public website. Other than getting paid for my job, I have no financial stake in the game, I was only tasked with this project by upper management. If I edited Westwood Country Club's page to the following, does it follow Wikipedia's Terms of Use? What else must I do to ensure my edit sticks:

Westwood Country Club was founded in 1907 by a group of men looking to organize a country club for the Jewish community. The club would serve as an environment to encourage mental and physical well-being through athletic and social activities. In 1927 the current grounds were purchased, and construction of the golf course followed. Members were able to play the course in 1928, with official opening of the clubhouse in 1928 on Thanksgiving Day. Although the physical building has undergone many changes and updates, the rich spirit of camaraderie, family, and hospitality is just as strong. In addition to the clubhouse Westwood Country Club’s campus includes an 18-hole championship golf course designed by Harold Paddock, 9-hole executive course, 12 tennis courts, 9 pickleball courts, and an Olympic sized swimming pool. Bacon.madeleine (talk) 19:42, 24 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Because you are writing about your employer on Wikipedia as part of your job, you are considered to be a paid editor. Therefore, the aforementioned disclosure must be visibly displayed on your userpage (User:Bacon.madeleine). You and your boss(es) should review Wikipedia:When your boss tells you to edit Wikipedia. They may erroneously believe that the club has some right of ownership or control over the article's content - they do not. Articles are owned or controlled by no one; consensus is Wikipedia's fundamental editorial model.

Wikipedia articles are paraphrased summaries of material previously published in reliable and independent sources. Your employer's website is a primary source and therefore lacks the required independence. Primary sources can only be used for straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that can be verified by any educated person with access to the primary source but without further, specialized knowledge. The statements where you list the facilities and the timeline of their development by year seems to be an acceptable use of a primary source.

Articles must also adhere to a neutral point of view. This means they must be worded in a plain and dispassionate manner, as if the author has no vested interest in the topic. Statements like "the rich spirit of camaraderie, family, and hospitality is just as strong" does not conform to this rule, as it is an appeal to the reader's emotions.

I would strongly advise that you review the procedure to make edit requests and then post them on the article's talk page (Talk:Westwood Country Club). That is preferable to this page, which is your user talk page. An edit request exposes your proposed changes to a wider audience and gives more opportunity for constructive feedback. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 01:03, 25 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]