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Bahira

Lets resolve this disupte once and for all. Let us analyze what you have rmeoved and since you are the one doing the removing, you must tell me why it is Islamaphobia. Why is this text making people have a hating fear or inspiring hating fear in people against Islam.

1) First, the below passage. Nothing here is anti-Islamic. It is an account, that has been referenced. Note that it does not say it is absolutely correct. Wikipedia wants verifiable knowledge. Show me what is Islamaphobic about it. If it is a criticsm of Islam, of it might unermine Islamic teaching, that is besides the point. What is important is that it is not made up without references.

The story of Muhammad's encounter with Bahira is found in the works of the early Muslim historians Ibn Hisham, Ibn Sa'd, and al-Tabari, whose versions differ in some details. When Muhammad was either nine or twelve years old, he met Bahira in the town of Bosra in Syria during his travel with a Meccan caravan, accompanying either Abu Bakr or Ali. When the caravan was passing by his cell, the monk invited the merchants to a feast. They accepted the invitation, leaving the boy to guard the camel. Bahira, however, insisted that everyone in the caravan should come to him. Then a miraculous occurrence indicated to the monk that Muhammad was to become a prophet. According to one version, those were the stigmata that Bahira found on the young Muhammad; other variants of the story say that it was a miraculous movement of a cloud or an unusual behavior of a branch that kept shadowing Muhammad regardless of the time of the day. The monk revealed his visions of Muhammad's future to the boy's companion (Abu Bakr or Ali), warning him to preserve the child from the Jews (in Ibn Sa'd's version) or from the Byzantines (in al-Tabari's version). Both Ibn Sa'd and al-Tabari write that Bahira found the announcement of the coming of Muhammad in the original, unadulterated gospels, which he possessed; the standard Islamic view is that Christians corrupted the gospels, in part by erasing any references to Muhammad.

2)Now the next passage. Please expalin again what is Islamaphobic. Its referenced.

In the Christian polemics against Islam, Bahira became a heretical monk, whose errant views inspired the Qur'an. The names and religious affiliations of the monk vary in different Christian sources. For Al-Kindi, who calls him Sergius and writes that he later called himself Nestorius, Bahira was a Nestorian. After the 9th century, Byzantine polemicists refer to him as Baeira or Pakhyras, both being derivatives of the name Bahira, and describe him as an iconoclast. Sometimes Bahira is called a Jacobite or an Arian. Bahira is at the center of the Apocalypse of Bahira, which exists in Syriac and Arabic which makes the case for an origin of the Qur'an from Christian apocrypha. Christian authors maintain that Bahira's works formed the basis of those parts of the Qur'an that conform to the principles of Christianity, while the rest was introduced either by subsequent compilers such as Uthman or contemporary Jews.

3) I have a slight problem with the below wording.

This concept (That Bahira gave Muhammad all his knowledge) is entirely rejected by Muslims as there is no apparent historical evidence for this assertion I would like it to be changed to the less POV Musims reject this concept as they claim there is no apparent historical evidence for this assertion.

4) This is far too un-encyclopedic:

Having recognized Muhammad as the, Bahira is reported to have said: "This is the master of all humans. Allâh will send him with a Message which will be a mercy to all beings."[7]

Abu Talib, the uncle of Muhammad is said to have asked: "How do you know that?" To which the monk replied: "When you appeared from the direction of ‘Aqabah, all stones and trees prostrated themselves, which they never do except for a Prophet. I can recognize him also by the seal of Prophethood which is below his shoulder, like an apple. We have got to learn this from our books."

This why; the use of long quotations in the text, without a third person perspective is missing here. Its an account according to Islamic tradition. Fine, this can go in its own section, perhaps to be incorporated or something, but as it stands on its own, very POV, it is not acceptable.

Respectfully

Tourskin (talk) 02:55, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

For ease, lets keep the discussion on this talk page, so we don't hav to jump back and forth. I'll watch ur page for any comments by you. Tourskin (talk) 03:10, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Mohammed Ansar

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