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WikiProject University of Oxford

As a current or past contributor to a related article, I thought I'd let you know about WikiProject University of Oxford, a collaborative effort to improve Wikipedia's coverage of the University of Oxford. If you would like to participate, you can visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks and related articles. Thanks! Casper Gutman 16:06, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Count me in! I'll surf the project pages to see which articles need some attention. AulaTPN 13:05, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Welcome to the project! I think an early objective of the project should be the improvement of the main University page to at least Good Article standard, as I'd be willing to bet it gets read as often as several dozen of the other project pages put together! However, I've not had any experience of the Good Article nomination process so I thought nominating a few of the college pages might be an easier way to start and useful experience. I have a personal interest in the Jesus article (and recently put it up for peer review), but I think it's only one of several college articles that could easily be WP:GA candidates.

I think it would be useful to identify a shortlist of a few articles that are close to meeting the criteria. I suppose ideally they should be high on the project's importance rating scale too. Any personal favourites? Casper Gutman 21:36, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Jesus College & Good Articles

other side of discussion from Wikipedia talk:WikiProject_University_of_Oxford

Count me in! I'll surf the project pages to see which articles need some attention. AulaTPN 13:05, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Welcome to the project! I think an early objective of the project should be the improvement of the main University page to at least Good Article standard, as I'd be willing to bet it gets read as often as several dozen of the other project pages put together! However, I've not had any experience of the Good Article nomination process so I thought nominating a few of the college pages might be an easier way to start and useful experience. I have a personal interest in the Jesus article (and recently put it up for peer review), but I think it's only one of several college articles that could easily be WP:GA candidates. Casper Gutman

I think it would be useful to identify a shortlist of a few articles that are close to meeting the criteria. I suppose ideally they should be high on the project's importance rating scale too. Any personal favourites? Casper Gutman 21:36, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Obviously I have a vested interest in the St Edmund Hall article and am currently working to get that up to a level fit for GA nomination but I also have no experience of the Good Article process. The Jesus article looks like an excellent candidate to start the process rolling. Lurking around other projects on Wiki I think we should establish our own guidelines for what components a college article must have before it can be considered for nomination and even set out a template ordering. At a minimum I'd say we needed:

• 1 History
• 2 Coat of Arms
• 3 Location and Buildings
• 4 Student life
• 5 College Silverware
• 6 College Graces
• 7 People associated with the College
  • 7.1 Current Tutors and Fellows
  • 7.2 Notable Alumni
  • 7.3 Other Notable Figures
• 8 Notes & references
• 9 External links

• A completed Oxford College Infobox (name, latin name, motto, scarf, shield, figures, etc...)
• At least one high-quality image of the college, preferrably one of the main facade/entrance and one of the main quad.
• A picture of the Head of House/Principal/Master perhaps?
• It would also be really nice if we could rustle up a stanard map of the city over which we could indicate the position of the college.

what do you think? I think it would be a helpful process to establish requirements like these for other classes of article in the project and to then set those guidelines out in a specific project page for members to reference. Other than that, how would you like to proceed with the nomination process for Jesus? AulaTPN 08:15, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Sounds a good idea to have some project-specific requirements/aspirations for articles about colleges. Some of the specific requirements you list might not be appropriate for all the colleges, e.g. will all colleges have silverware that's sufficiently notable? I particularly like the idea of a map; what area would it ideally cover? We'd want most of the colleges to lie in the area covered, but a few might have to be left out — Templeton for one, but what about e.g. St. Hugh's? Pictures of Heads of House might be tricky to get under open licences; could we justify using images from e.g. college websites as fair use?

Proceeding with WP:GA on Jesus (or any other article) will need to involve:

• adding any sections that are missing, unless there's a good reason not to;
• making sure there aren't any obvious missing references;
• nominating the article;
• dealing with any objections raised by reviewers.

At least, such is my understanding.... Casper Gutman 11:12, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

That's a very good point, perhaps the section should be loosened to College Assets, College Artifacts or even College Assets & Artifacts? That could even provide scope for including information on their reported endowments.

As far as the map goes, I can remember from my days as an undergrad, that there was a very good map floating around on the OUCS servers; I've found a low-res version on the Biophys servers [1]. I was thinking we would cover much the same area - central oxford - and in a similar but cleaner style. I'll look for a better version and, failing that, crack out a prototype for comment. As far as Templeton and such... I think we'd probably have to cheat and either not have a map or create custom maps. Of course we could actually solve it by having 'local area' maps for each college with a link to a much bigger, all-inclusive map (although Templeton would still be a problem). User:Durin is an expert on fair use images. I can get in touch and seek advice about that if you like?

Good idea to ask someone more experienced re. fair use images. I had a few thoughts of my own on the map idea, and agree we'll most likely need to cheat for out-of-centre locations. I've been kicking a few map ideas around at User:Casper Gutman/Sandbox, if anyone would like to look. Thoughts? Casper Gutman 14:42, 4 April 2007 (UTC)