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Which talkpage?

Which one was it, unless you corrected it already? Pacific Coast Highway ^{{talk • contribs}} 21:00, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Re: World of Warcraft Spamming [Vanman2099]

Hey man, I don't know what you are talking about compared to the rest of the sites listed in that area where I added the link it belongs there. Almost Gaming is the most popular strategy guide site on the internet right now how could you say I was spamming the World of Warcraft page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vanman2099 (talk • contribs) 04:23, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Prod

Thanks for taking time to review and endorse it. Perhaps you would be interested to review the rest of the articles from the same set (a list is available here)? I am having a helluva time trying to delete the two that have been contested (Kresty and Ovechkina)—they are now on AfD because some people, obviously, prefer to have these one-liners on places no one can even identify with 100% accuracy. In my opinion, all these very well qualify for WP:SPEEDY#A1 (insufficient context); by prodding them instead I simply wanted to give them one more chance to be improved—something I now regret. Anyway, if you could take a look at the remaining prods, I'd certainly appreciate it and if not, that's no problem, too. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 18:36, 16 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the notice, but I had already been in contact with bot owner soon after the articles were first generated. Probably should have let you know; sorry about that. I am actually reviewing all of those stubs one-by-one, making corrections in cases when places can be identified unambigously and prodding the rest. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 14:44, 17 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

RE: My bot

I ran it to create a load of Russian Geo stubs over 1 ½ months ago. I acknowledge it was bit of a bad move, as a lot of them aren't that notable and the articles aren't great.--Phoenix -wiki 20:04, 16 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your prod to Werkplaats Typografie

As the prod was removed by an anon, I've listed this at AfD: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Werkplaats Typografie. Regards, Espresso Addict (talk) 13:36, 28 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Prods

Thanks for the explanation etc. I appreciate it. Best, Keilana|^{Parlez ici} 00:34, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fer Sure

The article was deleted via DRV but the closing admin didn't delete it (it was piggy-backed on the Medic Droid article so I'm guessing he just overlooked it). I left a note on his talk page but got no response so I prodded it. Do you have a better suggestion? Precious Roy (talk) 00:24, 31 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK, if you say so. Thanks, Precious Roy (talk) 01:10, 31 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Heads up!

Hello, Atama ... FYI, I have initiated Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Carlos Rafael Uribazo Garrido ... I noticed that you had put a {{Prod-2}} on several of these ArleArt articles, so I thought that I would give you a "Heads up!" :-) ... Happy Editing! —72.75.72.63 (talk · contribs) 05:43, 1 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanx

Thanx for your recent comments at my bio page Dana Ullman. Although you and I may not agree on various POV on homeopathy, I appreciate that you encourage some hyper-skeptics of homeopathy and of my work to follow wiki-policies. Being fair, being accurate, and being a gentleman (or woman) is all good. Dana Ullman ^Talk 17:48, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Happy Valentine's Day!

^F_L^c is wishing you a Happy Valentine's Day, Atama! This greeting promotes WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day a little better. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Happy Valentine's Day, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend.

Spread the love by adding {{subst:User:Flaminglawyer/HapValDay!}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Thanks

		The Minor Barnstar
		For the precious help you give us, poor admins, by adding the {{prod2}} tag to proposed deletions I, lucasbfr award your this barnstar -- lucasbfr ^talk 15:47, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you from my side as well. Reviewing the prod articles makes the work easier and more effective. --Tone 20:13, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

prod comments

Thanks for your input on Australian miniature goat. VanTucky 00:13, 21 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Barney Pell

Consensus on this AfD seems to be that Pell is not notable enough for a stand-alone article, but a move to an article about PowerSet itself, with Pell's info as a section of that, would be good. If you're agreeable, I think we can go ahead and do it and close the AfD. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 23:14, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the kind remarks. PowerSet appears to have quite a bit of potential, as well as attention from the press. It will be interesting to see how this company fares. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 18:52, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Help and advice, if you have time.

I've just fnished a major rework of the aricle Criticism of World of Warcraft, and I'd appreciate your insight, thoughts, and advice on how to improve the article further. I'm hoping that a fresh pair of eyes will help to condense and rationalise any fluff I've introduced, as well as sharpening the prose and layout. Also, if you have any image suggestions that you think would liven up the article, please let me know.

Many thanks!Gazimoff (talk) 23:34, 3 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thankyou for your useful advice. I've added some citations on when the realms were flagged for upgrade (Jan '06) and then upgraded (August '06) from an archive of Blizzard forum posts. I've also managed to locate pictures of Shane Dabiri and Maressa Orzack and added them to the article. I think that's everything you mentioned, though please feel free to add more suggestions if you think of any! Gazimoff (talk) 23:57, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reply

Thanks for taking care of it. The article is clearly non-notable. Again, thanks! - Milk's Favorite Cookie 19:53, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

On the subject of deleting Chucky Chuck

THANK YOU.

Hierophantasmagoria (talk) 00:24, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I just posted it. Hierophantasmagoria (talk) 00:28, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

James Porter (actor), BJ McCoy

The history of these articles was: redirected to Sideshow Cinema per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sideshow Cinema. Then Sideshow Cinema was redirected to Michael Legge (filmmaker) per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sideshow Cinema (3rd nomination), with no content kept from the original biography articles. They are no longer useful as redirects, and can be uncontroversially deleted. Jfire (talk) 01:25, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Femmina RfC

Hello. I have finally gotten around to starting the RFC on Femmina's conduct. Your name is listed as one of the people who tried to resolve the dispute with him, so you need to sign this section within 48 hours (named Users certifying the basis for this dispute) for the RfC to proceed in earnest. Thanks. Groink (talk) 01:57, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Make Love, Not Warcraft

You really think that was speculation and POV? :-D - Denimadept (talk) 23:31, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think it might make sense to go through the article and remove everything that documents differences between the episode and actual WoW playing, and just say that the episode is not a good representation of actual game play, then leave it at that. - Denimadept (talk) 13:08, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Deleting my edit and calling it vandalism

Yesterday i tried to edit a page adding information that might've been interesting to it and i recieved this "Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did to Make Love, Not Warcraft. Your edits appeared to constitute vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. -- Atamachat 22:49, 15 May 2008 (UTC)" My edit wasn't vandalism but an addtion to the trivia section. Please tell me what in my edit might have been considered vandalism, Nonfaridere

I wouldn't have called it vandalism, but I would have reverted it anyway. It was an irrelevant comment. All the characters are built on a basic template, so most resemble each other to a large degree. - Denimadept (talk) 15:03, 16 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It looked like nonsense, honestly, and a level 2 vandalism warning is considered appropriate for nonsense additions to articles. This is also coming on the heels of a level 1 vandalism warning for the Jackson Pollock article. -- Atama ^chat 17:42, 16 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Amit Choubey

The original was deleted, as it was clearly spam. An editor protested this deletion, arguing that the subject may well be notable, and I compromised in the interest of assuming good faith and "not biting the newby" by creating the stubbiest of stubs. I then prodded it in order to give the article's advocate(s) a time limit by the end of which, if they could not find solid reliable sources, the stub would also be deleted. I've been accused of overzealous deletionism, and I'm trying to find some solid ground here. --Orange Mike | Talk 16:39, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

iPhone & Copyright

Hi. I think you may not be aware that's fair use in the US to show software interfaces when they illustrate the topic of the article. Wikipedia even has a template for it. See below:

This is a screenshot of copyrighted computer software, and the copyright for its contents is most likely held by the author(s) or the company that created the software. It is believed that the use of a limited number of low-resolution screenshots:

for identification of, and critical commentary on, the software in question,
in the absence of a free alternative,
on the English-language Wikipedia, hosted on servers in the United States by the non-profit Wikimedia Foundation,

…qualifies as fair use under United States copyright law. Any other uses of this image, on Wikipedia or elsewhere, may be copyright infringement. See Wikipedia:Non-free content for more information. Fair use

To the uploader:

Please add a detailed non-free use rationale for each article the image is used in, which must also declare compliance with the other parts of the non-free content criteria, as well as the source of the work and copyright information.
For example non-free use rationales, see Wikipedia:Use rationale examples.
Try using Template:Non-free use rationale software screenshot to state the rationale.
If this is a screenshot of free software (GPL, BSD, etc.) do not use this template! Use the license tag that corresponds to the license instead, optionally alongside {{Free screenshot}} to categorize as a free screenshot.

To patrollers and administrators: If this image has an appropriate rationale please append |image has rationale=yes as a parameter to the license template.

This is not to be confused with images that are the commons. Since those are for worldwide distibution with no limitations, there's been a debate on whether even oblique photos of an interface constitute derivative work, and therefore a copywright violation. I personally think it's still fine (but what do I know, I'm just a lawyer), but there are some people who will fight till the death on this topic.

So, do you still think we can't take our own pictures of an iPhone and add them to the article without blurring the interface? Mattnad (talk) 20:53, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The iPhone article is held to a higher standard because it was picked to go on the Wikipedia CD eventually, but the discussion is ongoing on the talk page and should continue there, thanks. -- Atama ^chat 22:05, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

THE image I uploaded was from apple public relations. You are free to use them as long as you do not manipulate them and, as long as you say "courtesy, apple." I hope I have been helpful symode09's 16:31, 13 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The image is not "in absence of a free one", I substituted a free one. So the fair use claim is invalid. -- Atama ^chat 22:21, 13 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How to Hunt Ghosts

I must have missed that. Thanks for sending it to AfD. Jезка (talk) 09:45, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

einstein family

Considering the extent to which his family is discussed in all the biographies, as relevant to his life, and considering especially the very strong controversy about his relationship or lack of one with his daughter, are you quite sure you want to go ahead with all the proposed deletions.I know I could simply remove the tags, but I hope it will be more productive to ask you to reconsider. DGG (talk) 00:08, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Replied on talk page. -- Atama ^chat 16:03, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

List of Breast Cancer Cell Lines

Wanted to know why the page was deleted. I am a new user so might have unintentionally violated some rules, although I found the list helpful. Thanks for the help, ddorn_1999 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ddorn 1999 (talk • contribs) 20:46, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Replied on talk page. -- Atama ^chat 21:15, 25 July 2008 (UTC)Ddorn 1999 (talk) 21:21, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lists

I read through the instructions on the creation of stand alone lists. I was not completely shure of the violation I had begun. I did not want to advertise for ATCC, but the organization is the provider of human cell lines in over 90% of all clinical research paperand cited as such in the articles. Is was beginning to transfere the public domain information of this sie to wiki and link it internally, but ran into problems. Stupidly I had copied a aricle header without rewriting in the haste of editing the page to respond to some critasism. I am sorry creating so much trouble, but I think it would be a valuable addition to have these huamn cell lines included. All the best Ddorn 1999 (talk) 21:21, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oolite (computer game)

Since the goat store failed AFD and it appears the Dreamcast games associated with it are, what about a game entry like Oolite? A minor clone "done in spirit" of an old game? --Marty Goldberg (talk) 16:41, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you review the references given for Oolite, there is one reference to a forum post (which is not generally an acceptable source), one article in Linux Format (which seems to be a pretty good source) and an article that doesn't exist. Again, the Linux Format article is pretty good but on its own doesn't establish notability per WP:N. I can't find other good sources for Oolite, I tried searching Google for "oolite game" (sans quotes) but can't find anything substantial, just Linux project/game pages. I can't find anything in news either. Unless another good source equivalent to the Linux Format article is found it's probably a good candidate for deletion. I'm sure there are dozens, maybe hundreds of other game articles on Wikipedia with much less of a claim to notability that should be deleted. -- Atama ^chat 16:58, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

So should I start an AFD on it? --Marty Goldberg (talk) 17:01, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, after thinking a bit more I'd actually rather see the information moved to the Elite (computer game) page rather than completely removed, and redirect Oolite (computer game). -- Atama ^chat 17:03, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is, the link to Oolite and several other clones was just removed from Elite because of violating the no modern hombrews/clones guideline at the video game project, in turn based on WP:Copyright. I don't really see content about a clone "based in spirit" on Elite really belonging on the elite page either. Official followups and such sure, but not this type of subject unless it was really notable for being associated with Elite. And if its having problems with references for notability in the first place, I just don't see it establishing notability for association either. --Marty Goldberg (talk) 17:09, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough then, if you were to nominate it I'd support that. I'm not opposed to that kind of article in principle, if it got enough attention from notable places, but just one mention isn't sufficient. -- Atama ^chat 17:42, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nominated. I'm not opposed to the idea of a modern homebrew entry either, as long as a) Its not completely violating IP as a game, and b) It truly is notable as a clone of said game. An example are some of the clones of games released around the time of the game - such as some of the Pac-Man themed games from the 80's that became notable in their own right and have stood the test of time for their historical notability (Mouse Trap, Lady Bug, and Pepper II come to mind). The problem now is everyone and their uncle writes and puts out homebrew games now (just look at Flash gaming sites), i.e. modern homebrews. --Marty Goldberg (talk) 23:21, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Your prod for Nicholas Blane

Thanks a lot for the reminder, actually. I've been rather inactive on Wikipedia over the last year or so, so it's been ages since I've really done anything project-related, like prod'ing. I appreciate it. --Fbv65e del — t — c // 18:42, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Replied on talk page. -- Atama ^chat 18:46, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Record section

I think it should be in there.. I've found a reference that shows that Phelps and Dityatin are tied for the most medals in a single Olympics with 8, so will be adding that section. SirFozzie (talk) 04:36, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You read my mind, I was about to suggest the same thing. Tying with Dityatin is definitely notable, maybe not enough for the lead but definitely enough for inclusion somewhere in the article. -- Atama ^chat 04:38, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There, take a look (after about a zillion edit conflicts :P :)), see how that fits. SirFozzie (talk) 04:41, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mike Banks (musician) restored

This article has been restored after its deletion was contested at Wikipedia:Deletion review. As you nominated the article to be deleted via WP:PROD, you may wish to nominate the article for a full deletion discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 16:39, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you I appreciate the courtesy of the notice. I see that the person who had it restored significantly expanded it, and found good citations asserting notability, I would not propose deletion for the article now. -- Atama ^chat 18:30, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

World of Warcraft edit

I have to disagree with you that my content was too similar to game-guide content. I did not go into a terrible lot of detail but briefly touched upon the mailing system's costs. Also, I am terribly sorry if my typo offended you in some way. --Xaerun (talk) 09:54, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Replied on editor's talk page. -- Atama ^chat 15:22, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jumeau Dolls

This article, which you prod2ed a few months ago, has been restored as a contested prod at today's DRV. Just letting you know in case you wish to AFD it. Stifle (talk) 09:46, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps you can tell me for what grounds you felt that this article lacked notability - the Jumeau company was not only a significant early player in the international toy industry - but also influenced branding and marketing of fashion and luxury goods many decades before such practices became the norm - what are your qualifications and knowledge in this area?

there is a large amount of early doll history that is missing on wikipedia

May be because it is girls' culture not boys does it seem unsignificant?

why did you not try and contact the author and discuss this first???? Bebe Jumeau (talk) 12:55, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've replied on your talk page, thank you. -- Atama ^chat 15:22, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

To explain further

- I have no contact to "the product" except that I have a user name taken from it - which I have used as an alias/avatar in a number of online forums since the mid 1990s - I took the name as a hommage

The Jumeau firm officially was closed in 1899 but remained as a trade mark of the Societe Francause de Fabrication de Bebes et Jouets until the 1950s when I believe the Societe merged with the Bic biro company that is still in existence

There can not be a COI between a living person and a defunct company and or its product. You may as well say that someone with a user name of Rembrandt or Monet could not write/edit an article on painting.

I still suggest that people need to start from the relevant field of knowlege/discipline to evaluate an article's potential merit

This is a potential pitfall of Wikipedia which I had not realised until I starting chasing up the fate of this article. I have always been a great fan of Wikipedia and it has answered many a query and settled many a dispute and proven many a hunch amongst my students

Bebe Jumeau (talk) 15:46, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

PS how can the article be an advertisment or advertorial for an object that is no longer in production? If I ran the company and sold the product ... yes - and there are many businesses/organisations that attempt to use Wikipedia as a free global advertisement for their services - but it is quite clear that the article is talking of a Victorian-era company and now you ask me - I have no connection to the business that made the product and live in a different country to where the business was located

Bebe Jumeau (talk) 15:53, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You've got me there. I suppose it can't. :) -- Atama ^chat 16:18, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

50 Greatest Game Shows of All Time (TV Guide)

Doh! Thanks for clearing up after me with the prod on 50 Greatest Game Shows of All Time (TV Guide). I can't believe I even said in the prod-2 that it had been to AfD before, most unlike me as it is actually what I'm looking for when patrolling the prods! Won't do that again. Thanks. Unusual? Quite ^TalkQu 22:28, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I guess that is the downside of the article history tag, it made the previous AFD hidden. Thanks for catching it. Garion96 (talk) 22:10, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I know. Will probably start one later. Garion96 (talk) 23:20, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

your comments

Hi. i just replied to you at the category talk page and at my talk page. please feel free to leave some comment on what you think of either of my replies. thanks. --Steve, Sm8900 (talk) 16:51, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cher Doll Records

Hello.. You had seconded a PROD for Cher Doll Records. This is to inform you the PROD was removed and the article has been sent to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cher Doll Records if you would like to participate in the discussion. Thank you. Soundvisions1 (talk) 03:42, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Make Love, Not Warcraft revert

Sounds like a difference of opinion, not a matter of vandalism. - Denimadept (talk) 23:11, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]