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"The first thing is to be patient, which is probably the hardest thing to do. Don't worry if blokes are whacking you out of the park because you still have the opportunity to get him out next ball, even if it's not the same ball." He was also quite the party animal in Southampton!

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Charles William Miller

I see you've added info from CricketArchive to this article. I don't think this is the same guy; the dates of birth are totally different. Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 16:06, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply - I have added links to two Cricket Archive pages, which appear to relate to this Miller. Cheers. -- Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 17:06, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Unreferenced BLPs

I noticed that you removed a prod from an unreferenced BLP here. Just wanted to let you know that all new BLPs must now have a reference otherwise they should be prodded, no matter how notable they appear. The prod should not be removed unless a reference is added. Regards AIRcorn (talk) 12:37, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Namibian cricketers

No worries. I was wondering when that would happen. At least we will have them better organized now - and now that we've cleared up the case about individuals such as, for example, Andy Fallis, Ettienne Brits and the like, I now understand the difference between those which pass CRIN and which do not.

Cheers - hope you are keeping well - I'm still on semi-permanent sabbatical from WP. Bobo. 00:05, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Sportpark Duivesteijn

They're the same ground. See our scorecards from WCL1 in 2010 here and from the Netherlands v Kenya ODIs here. The Duivesteijn name would appear to be incorrect, as our Dutch stats don't have it anywhere. I will check with our Dutch editor to be 100% certain though! Andrew nixon (talk) 16:54, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Hold the presses! Latest news from our Dutch editor - Voorburg moved from Duivesteijn a few years ago, and the ground is now no longer in use. So the women's ODIs took place at Duivesteijn, whilst the men's ODIs took place at the new ground. Looks like CA have got the two confused. Andrew nixon (talk) 18:32, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Exact years confirmed. Duivesteijn was last used in 2005, they used a reserve ground at Westvliet in 2006 and started using the main ground there in 2007. Andrew nixon (talk) 21:29, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

WP:SPI

Hi AA. Would you like to try again with your recent application as the account is no longer dormant? You might add 86.149.110.193 to it too. I'd do it myself but you seem to have quick and easy access, plus it would be a renewal of your case. Thanks. ----Jack | ^{talk page} 18:46, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

I'll wait for them to be disruptive, then pounce! AssociateAffiliate (talk) 21:37, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Success. Moondyne has closed the SPI with an indefinte block on he KB account. I suggest that when Daft reappears we simply revert without acknowledgement. Thanks for helping me. ----Jack | ^{talk page} 19:48, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

Good work on Cricket!

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	A virtual warm ale and poor quality radio for TMS, for all your good work on improving cricket coverage, my dear boy. Benny Digital Speak Your Brains 14:26, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

ANI entry

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.

Hi AA. Please see "Multiple issues" on the ANI board. ----Jack | ^{talk page} 17:36, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

I've also written to the admin who closed your SPI case in September to see if the case can be reopened. The reason given for not blocking the KB account was that it had been stale for several months, which was correct then. I'll see what transpires there. All the best. ----Jack | ^{talk page} 18:03, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Jaffary SC

No problem, AA. I guess it's two clubs run by the same organisation but the Mombasa one doesn't have the notability of the Nairobi one. ----Jack | ^{talk page} 14:31, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Jack AssociateAffiliate (talk) 14:43, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

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Another one

Hi AA. See the usual place for the latest playground behaviour. He's tried to have another go at you as well as me. Sticks and stones, of course, and quite pathetic. Dweller spotted it on his watchlist and immediately applied a long-term block.

Daft must be a very sad and bitter individual to carry on a grudge like this for such a long time. When I was on SPI I looked at his original talk page and he's been at it for nearly four years on and off. Have a look at the post that was sent by one of his former ACS committee colleagues in Jan 2008. I reckon you only need to substitute "WP guidelines" for "schedules agreed with the printers" and it could have been written today. He's still on the ego trip and I just love the one about how his "distinguished expert" pals evidently don't reciprocate: at least two of them were on that committee! But I think the key point is that Daft "likes nothing more than to confront anyone who does not agree with his singular version of events and undoubtedly he will insist that everything written above is either false or unfair". Nail on the head.

Have a good weekend. ----Jack | ^{talk page} 05:20, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Troll

Hi AA. You shouldn't have to put up with this so I suggest you revert your talk page to the last responsible edit and summarise with "rv troll (see SPI/Daft) per WP:DENY". The troll in question is of course the usual Daft/Tillman/KestevenBullet playground inhabitant. I'll take it to SPI. ----Jack | ^{talk page} 14:46, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Oh, I don't think he's near a record. I've seen accounts of some and they look as if they go into dozens or more. Someone like Dweller or Moondyne might know, though. ----Jack | ^{talk page} 16:06, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

58 is the most I can see on Category:Wikipedia sockpuppets. AssociateAffiliate (talk) 16:12, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

YM

If you really want to know, start here, but it's a sad tale. --Dweller (talk) 23:57, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Special Barnstar
	For your many article contributions, especially to cricket related articles. CRICKET ROCKS!! Solar Police►Talk 13:01, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

"Peter Wynne-Thomas"

Regarding this: considering that his first edit was to revert and he used an edit summary that named Blackjack (all things that it's very unlikely for a new user to do), I definitely think it would be worth getting a CU to check it out. Jenks24 (talk) 12:55, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

I would suggest CU. It's at SPI in any case per WP:DUCK. ----Jack | ^{talk page} 20:31, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Did you manage to see that article before it was speedied? If so can you remember anything in it? ----Jack | ^{talk page} 11:09, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Rhodes

Thank you for the very kind words! Much appreciated. --Sarastro1 (talk) 13:24, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Be careful

If you break the 3rr rule yourself you won't have a leg to stand on. You can file a complaint. Much more effective than getting in an edit war. Alexandre8 (talk) 00:29, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

I've given up trying to formulate a good article from that one, as those editing it seem to have an agenda against the article subject. Seems a game of fitting in as much "right-wing extremism", "xenophobia" and "racism" remarks as possible, rather than writing a NPOV article. Sad really. AssociateAffiliate (talk) 10:42, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Don't be so easily defeated. All you need is to get on top of policy and you can keep the articles stable that way. I got the administrators to review it and they've got him under their eye. If he posts un-sourced and un-discussed content again he will be blocked. Take care. Alexandre8 (talk) 02:11, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Cricketer notability

Is Aneil Nambiar notable per the cricket project guidelines? He does not seem to have done much (well, more than I did in cricket but you know what I mean!). - Sitush (talk) 19:39, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Hello Sitush. Yes, he meets the guideline for having appeared in one List A match, though perhaps for him one to forget - an 8 ball duck, ouch! There's literally hundreds on here who have been done literally nothing, except turn up for the match. Neville Shelmerdine comes to mind. He quite literally turned up, had a field and did nothing else! AssociateAffiliate (talk) 19:49, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Gotta wonder about those guidelines sometimes! - Sitush (talk) 20:10, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Numbers

Will update on numbers. Just a note that I've read your message. Bobo. 20:45, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Page 1

• Essex: 117
• Glamorgan: 48
• Gloucestershire: 263
• Kent: 361
• Lancashire: 327
• Leicestershire: 213
• Middlesex: 351

Second page stats coming up.

Page 2

• Northamptonshire: 161
• Nottinghamshire: 272
• Surrey: 341
• Sussex: 400
• Warwickshire: 243 Bobo. 20:53, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Picture the situation

A Kent cricketer turns up to a County Championship match in 1897. Scores a king pair. His team-mate says: "Eee, lad, ye didna do too well there."

The cricketer replies: "No, but in 110 years time I will have an article on Wikipedia".

What an awesome world we live in. Bobo. 20:57, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

New Daft IP

I think it might also be worth looking at Repolemis (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki) who was on the Staffordshire CCC page immediately before the IP and again seems to have been "correcting" your work. I don't have any strong views about North v South players. The match did have more prestige in Victorian times than in the 20th century because they tended to feature the best players around (unlike GvP which featured WG and the best 11 pros around) but it wasn't a series. The games were organised ad hoc, even though they were sometimes held three times in a season. As long as the matches were first-class, there can be no problem in adding the category to players who took part. The purpose of categories is to help readers find relevant articles; they are not there to provide some exclusive list or define an elite. Daft is missing the point of categories as an aid to readers. ----Jack | ^{talk page} 20:25, 6 December 2011 (UTC) apologies for the cheap shot - but an encyclopaedia is about accuracy and you are inaccurate - see the many books on that era. Jack is also inaccurate and you will note, he always takes on board my advice. Good luck - I was u/e at 24 during the early 80's - it's no fun. Dr TM Asquith — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.153.176.231 (talk) 21:35, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

I don't pretend to be an expert, I do it as a time killing hobby for a sport I am completely obsessed with, were it not for these nice things one I could have played professionally. I simply create articles, make a body of writing, yes out of CricketArchive stats, as well as anything else I can find. Any more detailed information that needs to be added can be done so by people who have the adequate resources. At 21 I expect myself and User:Bobo192 are the youngest people at WP:CRIC, so obviously in my case I don't have the resources in books or what not to make good articles, which is why I tend to steer clear of expanding the articles of my favourite cricketers like Mead, Kennedy and Newman. As for categories, I dispute they are inaccurate - they're meant to exist as a means of collating articles that link to a main subject. If CA says the match is first-class in terms of N v S, then I shall add the category. I am always going through articles and removing inaccurate categories (players who never played for the team, or whose appearance was at a minor level). Apology accepted, as I too shall apologise for my short fuse earlier. Being unemployed certainly is no fun, particularly when there are literally no jobs in my area - unlike others, I do not believe in social welfare, so you have no worry about your taxes funding my writing of articles as I don't claim a penny. I simply do it to stop my mind going crazy thanks to Stalin making me redundant in the name of non-existant cuts. AssociateAffiliate (talk) 21:54, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

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Old Deer Park

As the section heading is "First-class counties", it seems to me that the Old Deer Park ground should appear under Middlesex, even though geographically it is in Surrey. JH (talk page) 22:05, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

I wouldn't object to a move, perhaps a footnote explaining it's historically in Surrey. AssociateAffiliate (talk) 22:17, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

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Thank you!

Thank you so much! I know there are names and people who I have forgotten in the lists, but I hope they are still useful. If I were still working on Wikipedia, I swear I would make more, but I've more-or-less moved on now...

And of course, thank you for continuing to turn these into bluelinks! And for continuing the upkeep of these pages. Can't wait until you start on some of the teams on the later pages. There are 39 players from Rio Sports Club which still don't have articles. ;)

I hope the end of the year is serving you well. Bobo. 19:14, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

...and thank you!

Very kind of you. I hope the festive season brings you health, wealth and happiness. Johnlp (talk) 14:42, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

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Eight thousand

That's a great milestone. Who was number 8000? Arthur Fabling? Bobo. 16:55, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Unfortunately still a good 4000 below the number of English footballers. I wonder if there is enough ammo left to pass the footballers category... Bobo. 17:13, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

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Three Namibian redlinks

Three players making their first-class debuts:

• Kobus Brand - CI
• Kobus Delport - CI
• Ian Opperman - CI

Just to keep the list up-to-date. I'm sure CA links will soon be available. Hope all is well. Bobo. 01:41, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

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On cricket graphs and BLP

Hi AssociateAffiliate, I saw your requests at WP:CRIC/GR, I'll get to them in the next couple of days. Your request led me to have a look at your user page and I noticed the pictures of prominent politicians who you allege are controlled by some group (sorry, I've forgotten its name). I was wondering if you have considered whether that part of your user page is entirely consistent with the BLP policy? Perhaps if you cast your views as "I believe that ..." rather than presenting them as if they were facts? Just my thoughts, I'm wondering what you think. Regards, EdChem (talk) 04:58, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Perhaps I don't think they are inconsitent with the pocily, because it is an user's belief and not opposing to any view, and they have the freedom for such. --Extra 999 (Contact ^me) 15:31, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Why are you replying as if you are AssociateAffiliate? --Dweller (talk) 16:49, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

AA, there's a bunch of reasons why you need to remove that section, asap, including most notably BLP and WP:UP#POLEMIC. You're lucky EdChem isn't trigger-happy. Please take them down before someone less sensitive files an entirely unnecessary ANI report on you. Cheers, --Dweller (talk) 16:55, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Does a userpage not exist outside of BLP policy? AssociateAffiliate (talk) 16:58, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

WP:BLP is important - you really ought to read it. --Dweller (talk) 17:04, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

I'll remove it to avoid any problems, but I really don't see the major issue. A userpage isn't an article, therefore quite how BLP comes in to it I don't know. I criticise the ICC and Haroon Lorgat on my userpage, never been flagged up or anything because of that. Meh.... you're not Bilderberg yourself are you Dweller?! AssociateAffiliate (talk) 17:09, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Ah I see where it says now. Shame, I do love calling out the "evildoers". To be honest, I've never read a single policy, I pick it up as I go along instead. AssociateAffiliate (talk) 17:21, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi AssociateAffiliate, firstly let me thank you for acting on the issue I raised, I asked you here because policy encourages us to raise concerns with each other and your response demonstrates why that is desirable – potential problems are addressed simply and quietly without drama – so well done. Let me offer some friendly advice by noting a couple of points you might want to bear in mind for the future (apologies if I'm saying things you already know):

• It is a commmon misconception that the WP:BLP policy applies only to articles that are biographies; in fact, it applies in all spaces (article, talk, user, WP, etc.) and to anything concerning a living person.
• The admin community (based on my observations, I am not an admin myself) includes a significant group who are hyper-vigilant and aggresive about BLP issues, and "shoot first, then carpet bomb with nuclear weapons, then ask questions" is not unknown as an approach to resolving perceived problems. It might not be fair, but treading extra carefully around BLP issues is the safer way to go, and maintains your credibility for when you need to discuss the inclusion of critical material about living persons.
• From my perspective, the big issue with your user page section was not the criticism of living people but the presentation of opinion as if it were fact. You wrote that those people were controlled by the Bilderberg group, which raises a serious BLP issue. Had you written that you believe the Bilderberg group is too influential, and that it's influence extends to persons X, Y, and Z, then that would have been much less problematic (at least from my perspective). Of course a statement like that would be unacceptable in article space without reliable sourcing and consideration of due weight, etc, but there is more leeway allowed in user space. Note that I wouldn't be surprised if others disagreed with me on this view.
• Short version of the above, criticism is ok when presented as opinion and recognising that others may disagree; criticism presented as assertions of unsupported fact is not ok, and most especially when it is directed at living people.

Regards, EdChem (talk) 03:29, 18 January 2012 (UTC)

Counting names

I copy and paste the list of players to a Microsoft Excel file - as plain text, which copies them to two columns. I then put, into the immediate cell to the right, =COUNTA(A:B) which counts every occupied cell within the two columns. Bobo. 19:56, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Numbers

• Essex - 115
• Glamorgan - 45
• Gloucestershire - 261
• Kent - 347
• Lancashire - 319
• Leicestershire - 208
• Middlesex - 342
• Northamptonshire - 159
• Nottinghamshire - 259
• Surrey - 332
• Sussex - 290
• Warwickshire - 210

This is a total of 2887 names. Bobo. 20:06, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Bobo, that's handy to know how you do it. No need to keep asking now! Sussex has gone down 110, now which one to do next, might take Leicestershire to Ian Ball's 2008 score against South Africa. AssociateAffiliate (talk) 20:09, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Cricket graph for Matt Prior

Hi AssociateAffiliate... I have uploaded cricket graphs for Matt Prior, as requested. They are shown at Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Graphs/Requests#Matt Prior. I'll leave it to you to choose what you want to add to Prior's article. Regards, EdChem (talk) 13:30, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. AssociateAffiliate (talk) 14:12, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Celebrity Cricket League

Please allow the AfC editors to review articles before taking further action on them. There was a clear message at the top of the article stating that it was under review. The article had been moved from AfC to mainspace (by me) only a few minutes before you proposed it for deletion! Because the CCL was now into its second season and had received substantial coverage in the Indian media, it seems to adequately meet WP:GNG. Sionk (talk) 19:12, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Some celebrities picking up a cricket bat, having a swing, the Indian press and public going hype crazy hardly fits the bill of cricketing notability. At the end of the day its some actors having a jolly - its not real cricket, mention that they have the odd jolly in their articles, but their cricket and this tournament is in a cricketing sense absolutely non-notable: no matter how many sources are collected from it. AssociateAffiliate (talk) 19:23, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

When the public and press go 'hype crazy' about something, that normally signifies notability, doesn't it? I'd be interested to know what part of Wikipedia's guidance you are using when you make the judgement that certain types of media hype are non-notable? I can easily imagine that when the article was first created its notability was in question. But the tournament seems to be in its second season and extremely popular. Sionk (talk) 19:49, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Carl Obeysekera

Hi AssociateAffiliate, just because of can find no mention of him on Cricinfo or CricketArchive (I personally don't think that no article or web site can be 100% correct and perfect) doesn't mean that Carl Didn't play first-class cricket as the article states. He did play for the then Ceylon team so as his school mate Ashley Silva (but I couldn't find relevant articles to prove Ashley's). His school is Nalanda College Colombo and check details here Battle of the Maroons. So many other articles can't be wrong about Carl. Hope you understand the situation. Thanking you and keep up the good work.(Masu7 (talk) 22:01, 28 January 2012 (UTC)).

You haven't gotten my point:

• Nalanda has never been a first-class team - Nalanda College Colombo is only the school where Carl attended. Nalanda is not a club but a high school in Sri Lanka.
• The Nondescripts Cricket Club didn't play a first-class match until 1989 - may be right, but Carl was playing cricket for this club.
• In all likelihood Carl never featured in a major match! - do not agree. then below articles that mentions about Carl, too will have to be proved wrong:

• "Nalanda Team in 1949". Battle of the Maroons. 2011. Retrieved 2012-01-28.

• "To Sir with Love by Premasara Epasingha". The Island. 2009/10/23. Retrieved 2012-01-28. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)

• "Old Nalandians get together today By Bernie Wijesekera". Sunday Times. Sunday February 07, 2010. Retrieved 2012-01-28. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)

• By Kenneth de Silva "Gerry's service to Nalanda cricket". The Nation. 06/07/09. Retrieved 2012-01-28. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)

• BY PREMASARA Epasinghe "Internationally reputed cricketer". dailynews. 2005-10-10. Retrieved 2012-01-28.

• BY Stuart Wark "Roy Dias". Cricket Web. 18 May 2009. Retrieved 2012-01-28.

• BY Rex Clementine "Roy on how he got technically perfect". The Island. May 16, 2011,. Retrieved 2012-01-28. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)CS1 maint: extra punctuation (link)

• BY Leslie FERNANDO "Michael Tissera has served Sri Lanka cricket well". sunday Observer. 2009/02/22. Retrieved 2012-01-28. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)

(Masu7 (talk) 02:27, 30 January 2012 (UTC))

Missing 18th century player → Thomas Lloyd

Hi AA. You mentioned this back in November but I've been away for several weeks so I'm only just catching up with WP. I had some data about this guy who was also one of cricket's earliest known substitute fielders. I created the article today. All the best. ----Jack | ^{talk page} 13:57, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Excellent, probably the only place online where that fact is. See you're retired now, hope to see you back on here in the future. AssociateAffiliate (talk) 22:05, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Pic

May I ask you a rather strange question: who is this guy on youruserpage? --Extra999 (talk) 16:32, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

This guy went on a spree of creating articles about himself, pretending to be an Indian cricketer throughout the first half of 2011. He created at least 20 articles, using the same picture each time. One memorable creation said "In July 2011 Terry Jenner described Ravi as one of the best spin bowlers in the world". Seems the guy in the picture was having a séance of some kind with Jenner (who had died in May), though for his greatness at spotting talent, this guy wasn't one of them! "If you see this picture, then the article is a hoax!" AssociateAffiliate (talk) 16:49, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

List of India ODI cricketers

Do have a look at the list now.--Vyom25 (talk) 13:49, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Af-Pak cricket

Just wondering: is Afghan cricket team v Pakistan in the UAE in 2011–12 a home series from Afghanistan's point of view, Pakistan's point of view or neither? Which one's the home side? Mar4d (talk) 13:56, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Actually, it is neither a home match for any of the two (it is a neutral game), since it is being played in the UAE, nor Afghan or Pak, due to security reasons in both the states. --Extra999 (talk) 14:35, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Yes and no. While strictly speaking it isn't a home match for either, you could consider Afg as the home team, as Sharjah is their "home ground".[1] It's held ODIs and first-class matches in the past with Afg as the "home" team. AssociateAffiliate (talk) 18:29, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

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Not to my knowledge, but as you say, it's a small place! Andrew nixon (talk) 07:09, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks for your recent contributions! 66.87.2.116 (talk) 13:57, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Samuel Morcom infobox thanks

Thanks for showing me the way on infoboxes. I went searching for another example of a cricketer with an unknown date or month of birth but wasn't having any luck. --Roisterer (talk) 14:17, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

List of Hong Kong ODI cricketers at WP:FLC

Hi AssociateAffiliate, just a quick ping to let you know that I've left a bunch of comments for you at the above FLC. All the best, The Rambling Man (talk) 07:55, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Nudge, how're you getting on with this? The Rambling Man (talk) 10:43, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Dominic Cork

Last June you asked me if his father played for Port Vale. I finally found out that A.Cork was in fact his grandfather, and he played for the club in 1911 and 1912. Thanks!--EchetusXe 13:32, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Edit summaries

Hey fella, Just a note to ask if you could use edit summaries when you make changes! These help to let us know what you're up to! Harrias ^talk 21:11, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you

		The Modest Barnstar
		In recognition of all the work you’ve done lately! 67.80.64.128 (talk) 22:53, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Jim Hardie

Sent to Admin - just look at JM's user history(1000 or so edits worth). If you still disagree then I'd been surprised. Sorry to come back but this is a blatant sockpuppet for God's sake. Pleae note the attacks made on Golden Age of Cricket by BJ and Cricket 1940-44 by JM - they are as plain as possible. Can we please have action regarding Jim Hardie who is a blatant sockpuppet of Blackjack. Evidence - Jim Hardie has made over a hundred edits to pre=1800 cricket since 18th Feb whem user Blackjack 'retired'. No other editor has made these type of edits except Blackjack - these being tidying of references etc. He has attacked the entries of another editor using the same language, the same phrases, the same inside knowledge that was used when Blackjack was previously identified as an aggressive sockpuppet some time ago. He has used 'pretend' conversations between himself and Blackjack in a manner seen previously when he was using BartMaverick, Orrelly Man, JamesJJames sockpuppets. To summarise - Hardie has been active since Blackjack went silent - he edits the same esoteric edits using the same turns of phrase - attacks other editors in the same manner and has used similar expresions found on the Blackjack Midnight Rambler and Stumpsite website. Jim Hardie is blackjack. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.155.74.151 (talk) 07:02, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Will do

Have seen the message, will work out the stats in a second. Was slightly thrown by the new signature..! ;) Hope you are well. Bobo. 16:03, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Players

Team-by-team breakdown:

• Essex: 107
• Glamorgan: 42
• Gloucestershire: 245
• Kent: 319
• Lancashire: 313
• Leicestershire: 182
• Middlesex: 319
• Northamptonshire: 158
• Nottinghamshire: 269
• Surrey: 327
• Sussex: 225
• Warwickshire: 209

Total: 2715 Bobo. 16:11, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

HK ODIers comments

Withdrawn per your request, and here are the comments for when you get a chance!

Comments

• Would switch the opening sentences to explain what ODI is before talking about HK ODI players. Would then take the opportunity to say that HK played in ODIs between 2004 and 2008 and that during that time 20 players represented their country. This will also make sure you don't use the full version after you've abbreviated it. - Done
• Consider making (pictured) italicised (like you seen on the main page) in the lead image caption. - Done
• "ever" is redundant in the caption. - Done
• "An ODI differs from Test matches in " - sing vs plural. - Done
• " gained ODI status in their own right, but have been accorded ODI status twice" confused, so the "accorded ODI status" was temporary? Was there a reason for this? - Done, well explained why it was only accorded on a temporary basis.
• Second para has a lot of short, disconnected sentences which really impacts on our goal of "professional prose". Suggest you look at ways to merge some of the short sentences and thus improve the flow. - Done
• "Their next ODIs..." comes after a reference to Pakistan. You should be clearer here. - Done
• "Should they qualify for the 2015 World Cup their matches in the World Cup would have ODI status." cited? - I think it's so blindly obvious that no direct sources exist! I can't seem to find any.
• "In total, Hong Kong played four ODIs.[5] Three players played in all four ODIs: Afzaal Haider, Najeeb Amar and Tabarak Dar." consider merge, "Hong Kong played a total of four ODIs,[5] with three players representing the country every time." (or similar), just thinking on my feet... Just another example of merging a couple of short sentences about a similar topic to improve the flow of the prose. - Done
• "Of the 20 players who have appeared in ODIs for Hong Kong" by now we should know we're reading about ODI HK cricketers, so this could be "optimised". - Done
• "Three players have each taken 4 wickets" 4->four and this may read odd to those who don't realise that wicket-keepers don't take wickets. - Swapped around, so bowlers are mentioned before wicket-keepers.
• Sorting by "First" or "Last" in Safari gives four separate results with each of four clicks.
• "Win% – Winning percentage" in the key but where in the table? - Done
• Same with "100" and "50"... - Done
• BBI col needs work, 2/62 is not as good as 2/51 for instance (when sorting BBI from best to worst).

Best wishes, The Rambling Man (talk) 09:30, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

List of international cricket five-wicket hauls by Imran Khan

Please have your comments on this. ZiaUllahKhan ^{Khadar Khani} 16:54, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Hello

A flying visit but I'd like to say hello. Don't believe anything the idiot says and revert anything he inputs even if it's bona fide now he's got a ban instead of a mere block. All the best and I hope to find time to come back in a few months or perhaps next year. As I said on CRIC earlier, I'd like to revise all the early cricket articles and bring them up to current standards (things were a bit "as you please" six years ago). ----Jack | ^{talk page} 21:48, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Curious

I'm having a difficult time reconciling this edit with an editor of your experience. What's the deal? Tiderolls 17:17, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

A cretin with nothing better to do than create sock accounts, disrupt WP:CRIC, attack its members, vandalise its articles, and evade his permanent ban. Thats my deal with that individual. Howzat?Out!Out!Out! (talk) 17:22, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

And an editor of your experience not understanding keeping discussions in a single location is also surprising. Eye for an eye and fighting fire with fire aren't effective strategies on a collaborative project. It would be advisable for you to delete the post and not employ it again. Tiderolls 17:29, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

I agree with Tiderolls here, you should not be indulging in such behavior, please see WP:RBI, this is unnecessary and just tends to inflame an already volatile situation. —SpacemanSpiff 17:35, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Deserves some sort of recognition for being the most annoying and bitter troll about. Have removed post. Howzat?Out!Out!Out! (talk) 17:39, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

You went a bit overboard but I appreciate the effort. Regards Tiderolls 17:41, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

ACS

I spend very little time on vendetta - I'm afraid one or two students have got involved - evidentally it's a student thing. Some sites are trashed. I spent a lot of time working at the PC. I no longer work at Keele or anywhere very much being attached to Staffs Uni for this and that, the CAB and I am an umpire having reached the half century and can fortunately be semi-retired. You should access the ACS website which has all the journals on - there's things you'd like. I am very concerned by one 'author' who recently passed himself off as another and that people seemed to believe that gospel spoken when he's using some one else's words. I note his web book has vanished. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tillmanation (talk • contribs) 00:20, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Blue league

Hi, I have declined your speedy deletion request at Blue league, as reason G1 does not apply to articles written in readable English - it is only for things like actual gibberish. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 11:45, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

I've added a custom reason, though I'm not sure if an article can be speedied twice! Howzat?Out!Out!Out! (talk) 11:55, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Blatant hoax is covered by reason CSD:G3, so no need for anything custom. I've done a Google search and not found a single mention of "Blue League" in an appropriate context, so I agree with you and I've deleted it. (I think the rules prohibit a multiple CSD, but I see this one as a correction to the original reason, so I think that's OK). -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 12:05, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Multi-page AfD

When nominating more than one page for AfD, please make sure you tag the other article(s) as well with the fact that it's under AfD per WP:BUNDLE. Thanks! -- KTC (talk) 19:02, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Comparison of cricket and baseball

Hi, I'm just letting you know I've withdrawn my nomination to delete this article. You made a good point and I think I had been hasty in going to AFD.

I'm impressed by your work on cricket. You range far and wide to provide good coverage. And with that in mind you don't deserve the unfair attention you get from those trolls (or that troll, whichever). I see the latest one (two posts above) is a politically correct taxi driver who reads the Bible and worries about vanishing websites. Bizarre! --Brian (talk) 04:51, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

A Cricket Bat for you!

		The Cricket Barnstar
		For all your contributions to Cricket articles........I award you the first cricket bad ever awarded..

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you may give this to other users by {{Cricket wikilove 1}}

Help

Can you help create: List of international cricket centuries by Gordon Greenidge? He has 30 international centuries, but no page. Can we jointly create this list to FL? extra999 (talk) 08:58, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

And please also crosscheck the stats section of AB de Villiers, I have just refurbished it. thanks, extra999 (talk) 10:00, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Daft

Hi AA. They are aware. I had correspondence with a couple of their committee people earlier this year which was essentially a request to them to put their quarterly journals and other publications on the internet (they are now on both CA and the ACS site). The subject of Asquith arose and it was made clear that they do not condone his behaviour and they deplore his conduct on WP. They were at pains to point out that he does NOT represent or speak for the ACS in any way. I assured them that we all know that. Indeed, his membership ceased four or five years ago before he ever used WP.

Now that he has been formally banned we can remove anything he writes just by citing WP:BAN, which is what I've been doing, although I've decided I won't touch other editors' talk pages. I refuse to respond to Asquith now so I just do the admin and move on. Using Twinkle makes the admin a doddle except I did it wrong once yesterday and had to apologise to a guy who got a warning message by mistake. Doh!

One of the ACS people reminded me of Asquith's reaction to being sacked. I was only vaguely aware of this at the time but he went into their e-mail forum and started mudslinging at the committee (surprise, surprise). Then he announced he was giving away all his ACS booklets and selling his cricket books, wanting people to come and collect them. And one member responded to this by writing that he had seen babies chucking toys out of their prams before, but Wisdens!?

I'm off work at the moment because I've been ill and I prefer WP to daytime TV. I've been completing the list of early cricketers which has been on my to-do list for ages. Hope you're okay. All the best. ----Jack | ^{talk page} 11:57, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

The Master! LOL. But it'll go straight to his head and feed his ego. ----Jack | ^{talk page} 15:44, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Daft at ANI

Hi AA. Go to ANI asap and see the latest episode. TRM amd I are already on the case. ----Jack | ^{talk page} 10:10, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Just what on earth does he expect to achieve through all this? Andrew nixon (talk) 13:33, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

You'd have thought he would have quit with the whole time wasting exercise of creating a sock, ranting away, then getting blocked. He knows what's going to happen. Daft chose his name well! Howzat?Out!Out!Out! (talk) 14:01, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

It's just me this time! More daft comments.

Tee hee. Now I'm a sock of Jack. The delusions grow wilder and more batty by the day! The Rambling Man (talk) 13:00, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha deluded is an understatement! Howzat?Out!Out!Out! (talk) 17:50, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Don MacLeod

Hi AssociateAffiliate,

I have made some comments regarding this move on the Don MacLeod Talk page. Martinvl (talk) 12:48, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

I have moved the page to Donald George MacLeod. When you created the page "Don MacLeod", three other Don MacLeod red links linked to the artcile. Martinvl (talk) 17:32, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Oncology

I didn't know you work in oncology. My wife survived cancer in 2001 after a tumor was found so I really appreciate the work done by people like you. I've seen but cannot know the stress of such a job. Your work is infinitely more important than mine (IT bod) but, because of the lunatic-run asylum we call society, I can imagine your pay doesn't reflect your importance to the community. But we can't all be a set of bankers, can we? Keep up the great work, mate. All the very best. ----Jack | ^{talk page} 14:17, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Hey AA, in line with the above theme of Daft and his crude (at best), sick and offensive (as it now appears his norm) comments, would you prefer to have your talk page protected from new and unregistered editors? I'm happy to help. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:08, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Hi AA. I would recommend this. If you go to edit on my talk page and user page (the latter is redirected to talk), you can see what settings Moondyne put in place for me. Only auto-confirmed users can mail me. Okay, a bona fide IP might want to ask a genuine question but they can always do that at the article talk page or at CRIC. So, please, let TRM do the necessary. ----Jack | ^{talk page} 20:57, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Hey again AA, I've protected your talk page indefinitely. Let's hope the stupidity reduces in due course. The Rambling Man (talk)

Numbers

Hi - just an acknowledgement that I've seen your message. Will run the teams through Excel and come back with results. Hope you are well. Bobo. 20:09, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

• Essex - 100
• Glamorgan - 35
• Gloucestershire - 240
• Kent - 317
• Lancashire - 296
• Leicestershire - 177
• Middlesex - 315
• Northamptonshire - 157
• Nottinghamshire - 230
• Surrey - 303
• Sussex - 165
• Warwickshire - 180

That's a total of 2550. Bobo. 20:17, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Nonfree content on your userpage

Per the policies on the usage of non-free images on Wikipedia, non-free images are not allowed on pages outside of the article namespace, including userpages. An image on your user page is copyrighted and unlicensed, so I had to remove it. I'm sorry if you are upset by my editing your page without your permission, but this is a rule where Wikipedia allows no exceptions. I want to make sure you know that this isn't personal. Feel free to contact me if you have any questions, or to seek another editor's opinion at the WP:MCQ discussion board. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 17:00, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

Buddy searching

Hi AA, about the speedy I declined - CSD G1 is actually quite a rare kind of page to find, and only applies to things that are actually incomprehensible. The buddy searching page may not have been the best prose style about the most notable subject, but it's comprehensible, and that's enough for it to pass the G1 test. Technically it could still be speediable under another criteria, but I'm not sure that any of the other ones apply. You're probably right that PROD-ing it is the best choice. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{(have a chat)} 16:36, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

I don't think it will last too much longer! Howzat?Out!Out!Out! (talk) 19:20, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Female think tank directors

How about creating a discussion page for the delete proposal of Female think tank directors per Wikipedia:AFDHOWTO Thanks Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 23:18, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Re: Cricket grounds in historic Cheshire

Hi AssociateAffiliate,

I have left a new message for you over at your Commons talk page.

Best Regards, Rept0n1x (talk) 20:04, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Just to say that I've now uploaded all of the photos to Commons. Please check out your Commons talk page again, where I have written a list of the relevant Commons categories, Cheers Rept0n1x (talk) 08:05, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Also, I've now uploaded photos of the disused Ellerman Lines ground. Again, please see my Commons talk page for further info, Best Regards Rept0n1x (talk) 14:27, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Nigel Moore (cricketer)

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:03, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Remember international cricket data is always more important.dont go on huge waste figures data in domestic cricket

if a cricketer has not played all formats of international cricket,then you can include some domestic format record,but lisetn,hello if a cricketer has played all 3(Test,ODIs/T20Is) formats,then only include international cricket record.Refer to ICC and Cricinfo

Remember

Ghajinidetails (talk) 00:03, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

You're a moron. Quite clearly you have no idea about cricket in a wider context. Howzat?Out!Out!Out! (talk) 14:15, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Refer to ICC and cricinfo? WTF are you on about? One's a governing body the other's a website which collates cricket stats. How one can be compared to the other is beyond me. Howzat?Out!Out!Out! (talk) 14:16, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
	For quickly reverting unexplained content removals by Ghajinidetails! Keep it up! :) TheStrikeΣagle 14:22, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, AssociateAffiliate. You have new messages at Strike Eagle's talk page.
Message added 14:33, 21 July 2012 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

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Can you create the article, Ernest Toovey, I have created an basic draft here: User:Extra999/sandbox. Thanks for the barnstar as well :P. extra999 (talk) 03:30, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Irish domestic structure

I know there will be a new structure, and that the plan is to have multi-day games as part of it. But I haven't heard anything about it having first-class status. Andrew nixon (talk) 06:31, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

I think he means "first-class like". Plus, having met the man, I'd treat anything he says with some scepticism! Been in Guernsey this past week for the European Under-15s. Some good players coming through for Ireland and the Netherlands - two Dutch players who I wouldn't be surprised to see in the senior side this time next year. Got a photo of Roland Lefebvre to use in his article, and had a drink and a chat with him the other day - a very nice guy! Andrew nixon (talk) 09:03, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

We have one for Carst Posthuma. With WG no less! Andrew nixon (talk) 20:43, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks

for your little talk page note about someone's statistics. I wish more would do that. Actually, in this case I had spotted the date for the figures which would have put him playing first class at 15 and was suspicious and checked. I know little about cricket. My proudest achievement being run out on the first ball when I was in at No 2 bat. This was school cricket, and it meant I was dropped to No 11 and as my throwing was so inaccurate, I spent most of my school cricket on the sidelines or at long stop. Suited me fine. I've taken this article out on your A7 and added hoax as well. Definitely blatant if I can spot it in a sport article... Peridon (talk) 12:56, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

No problem. Good to be helpful as in the past I've come across cricketers of no note which I have speedied, only for some admins not so familiar with cricket to deem them notable. A little note usually does to explain crickets unique workings! My proudest moment was appearing at under-12 level for Hampshire when I was 10, though some rather screwy knees put pay to any prospect of going any further with that :( A fast bowler then, now I bash the ball at 6, bowl some gentle leg spin with the occasional googly and try doing my best impression of Tuffers in the outfield. Then again, I can catch, so I kinda live in the slips or under the batsmans nose! Howzat?Out!Out!Out! (talk) 15:35, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

... one day... hopefully

Yeah; I was there for the third year in a row, and all I can say is that at least the weather was good this year! We were disappointing throughout, and never really looked like winning that semi-final. But, as I say, at least the weather was nice for a change, and the SWALEC stadium was brilliant, the stewards were great and the information and preparation by the stadium for the event was top-notch. Shame it's back to Edgbaston for the next few years, but given the size difference it's understandable. Harrias ^talk 15:55, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Incomplete DYK nomination

Hello! Your submission of Template:Did you know nominations/Gulbudeen Naib at the Did You Know nominations page is not complete; see step 3 of the nomination procedure. If you do not want to continue with the nomination, tag the nomination page with {{db-g7}}, or ask a DYK admin. Thank you. DYKHousekeepingBot (talk) 06:35, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Notability question

One of my many "things to do on Wikipedia" when I get some more spare time is a list of players to have scored a double century at any level of international limited overs cricket. I wrote an article for CricketEurope about them when Tendulkar scored the first in a men's ODI. So - a) do you think the subject is notable enough for a list, and b) are the two players to have scored 200s who aren't already covered by our notablity guidelines (Moosa Kaleem and Shamazuddin Khan) notable enough for articles by virtue of being in what is a pretty small group? I could probably make a decent case for Kaleem under the GNG as he's had a long career which has been covered in a number of places, but I admit Khan is a bit of a stretch. Then again, it does seem a bit silly to not have an article on the first player to do something! What do you think? Andrew nixon (talk) 13:32, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

I think it is notable, however the lack of double centuries in international limited overs cricket might mean the list will be too short to meet one of the requirements of WP:LIST. That said, List of cricket grounds in Denmark is just two grounds, nothing has been done to cull that yet. Perhaps have two sections on the list, which helps to identify ODI and minor international matches. On the players, I'm still rather anal about the major cricket down to WCL5 requirement in WP:CRIN. I think there could be a reference made to this discussion last year, regarding a player who made a T20 double (although that was in club cricket), but it was decided the feat and his notability weren't inherent. I'm torn between saying to Kaleem's notability for an article, but yes because of the feat. Perhaps mention in the list would be suffice? Perhaps this is also and area for consensus at CRIC? Blimey, Shamazuddin and Germany's score against Switzerland... no wonder they're no longer ICC members! Howzat?Out!Out!Out! (talk) 21:19, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Re: Boscawen Park

Yeah, there are a couple currently on flickr that I can change the licensing on if you'd like: this one or this one of the pavilion. Brilliant venue to watch cricket, there's a lot of talk that Somerset will play a home CB40 match there next year. Harrias ^talk 15:45, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Uploaded it and stuck it onto the article. Harrias ^talk 16:04, 2 September 2012 (UTC)