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Proposed deletion of Mark P. Chamberlain

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File permission problem with File:Lydia Ringwald January 2004 Wheels of Justice Review.pdf

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Laguna Coast Wilderness Park

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Your attention needed at WP:CHU

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Please remove the following box as it is no longer relevant

This article contains content that is written like an advertisement. Please help improve it by removing promotional content and inappropriate external links, and by adding encyclopedic content written from a neutral point of view. (April 2015)

Please remove the following box from Sawdust Art Festival page as it is no longer relevant

This page is a new unreviewed article. This template should be removed once the page has been reviewed by someone other than its creator; if necessary the page should be appropriately tagged for cleanup. (May 2015)

I responded to the following requests and removed two categories and one external link

The requests read as follows: A major contributor to this article appears to have a close connection with its subject. It may require cleanup to comply with Wikipedia's content policies, particularly neutral point of view. Please discuss further on the talk page. (May 2015) This article contains content that is written like an advertisement. Please help improve it by removing promotional content and inappropriate external links

Please tell me what I need to do to the page

Please tell me what I need to do to the page to have the two boxes at top that read as follows - A major contributor to this article appears to have a close connection with its subject. It may require cleanup to comply with Wikipedia's content policies, particularly neutral point of view. Please discuss further on the talk page. (May 2015), This article contains content that is written like an advertisement. Please help improve it by removing promotional content and inappropriate external links, and by adding encyclopedic content written from a neutral point of view. (May 2015) - removed.

Thank you!

Removed all copy that sounds like advertising and added significant encyclopedia content to Sawdust Art Festival page

Also added more relevant images, and am speaking to architect who designed facade later today, and will add more about this. Can you remove the 2 bars that read as follows? "A major contributor to this article appears to have a close connection with its subject. It may require cleanup to comply with Wikipedia's content policies, particularly neutral point of view. Please discuss further on the talk page. (May 2015)" "This article contains content that is written like an advertisement. Please help improve it by removing promotional content and inappropriate external links, and by adding encyclopedic content written from a neutral point of view. (May 2015)" THANK YOU!

Notice of Conflict of interest noticeboard discussion

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I did not remove the COI tag.

I did not remove the COI tag. Don't know who did. I did, however, add significant historical and encyclopedic content, and did remove all advertising content, as far s I ca tell, i also removed one image that appears like an ad, and uploaded several new images, a few with historical interest. I do think that the page is in great shape and hope that the two tags will be removed soon. Thank you!

Removed all advertising and promotional content

I removed all advertising and promotional content as far as I can tell. I also added historical content. I think that the page reads much better now, and I appreciate the input I have received. I am hopeful that the COI tags will be removed soon. Thank you!

Nice editing job

Thank you for editing this page. It reads well. When do you think you can remove the COI tags?

Added all requested citations

Added all requested citations, where pages read (citation needed). The page appears to be complete now. THANK YOU!

Conflict of interest in Wikipedia

Hi Artwriter21532 you have a load of recent edits to Sawdust Art Festival that appear promotional. I'm giving you notice of our Conflict of Interest guideline and Terms of Use, and will have some questions for you below.

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Would you please let me know if you have any relationship with the organizers of the Sawdust Art Festival? Please note that you are required to disclose it, if you are editing for pay. If you are, the situation is salvageable, but we have to get things on good footing. The WP:COI guideline exists to ensure the integrity of Wikipedia; the community takes it seriously and we ask you to as well. If you have any questions, you can leave them here - I am watching your page. After you respond (and you can just reply below), perhaps we can talk a bit about editing Wikipedia, to give you some more orientation to how this place works. Thanks! Jytdog (talk) 03:51, 29 May 2015‎ (UTC)

Hello Jytdog,

I am a freelance art writer, contributing to a variety of magazines. I have written about the Sawdust Art Festival one time, as part of a larger article, some time ago. I live in Laguna Beach and visit the festival every summer and enjoy it. I created a page on the festival because I feel that the festival is unusual and worthy of a page. I did not create this page for pay.

I realize that my page sounded promotional, but all of that promotional content is now gone. (The promotional sound of the page was a carry-over from the other writing that I do.) This has been a learning experience for me, for if and when I work on Wikipedia pages in the future.

I do not have any relational with the organizers of the Sawdust Festival. I know one person at the Festival because we live in the same City. And a few of the exhibitors at the festival are casual friends. They also live in the same City.

I have created two other Wikipedia pages and edited three pages that were stubs, or something like that. Each page that I worked on was a labor of love, and not for pay. Two recent pages that I edited/enhanced are Laguna Coast Wilderness Park, which I have often visited, and Clark Strand whom I heard give a book talk. As you can tell, neither of these pages have promotional content.

I hope that I have sufficiently responded to your questions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Artwriter21532 (talk • contribs) 04:33, 29 May 2015‎(UTC)

Thanks for answering. Your answer makes sense. So you don't have a COI, you are a fan. People come edit Wikipedia for lots of reasons. Some do it for pay, but most get started because of some passion - like they love the place they live. That passion can bleed over into what we call advocacy (please have a look at that essay) which can even lead to disruptive editing - what we call tendentious behavior (please have a look at that too). Those are all behavioral things. Content-wise, everyone here wants articles to be neutral - not written as though they are advertisements, nor hatchet jobs. It is always a hard balance to strike, and it sounds like you have been trying hard to learn it. Good luck! Jytdog (talk) 05:05, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

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Thank You

I have read the advocacy and tendentious pages. Good information, and it is good to read how democratic Wikipedia is in this crazy world.

Please let me know when the COI tags will be removed.

Also, I'm not sure of what you mean by the 4 tildas, but I will attempt to use them and see what happens.

Thank you also! Artwriter21532 05:48, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

yeah things can get crazy here. There are two other editors we have had concerns about on the article. You are the first to reply. Need to hear from the other two. Jytdog (talk) 05:55, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Can you ask FreeRangeFrog to look at the article and then you can hopefully remove the COI tags at the top of page? THANK YOU! Artwriter21532 00:38, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

Removed 2 External links, added 1 sentence, 2 citations

Thank you for your recent edits and for removing the COI tag. I also removed 2 external links, as requested, and then added one sentence of content and two citations. Please tell me what else needs to be done - if anything - to remove the following: Artwriter21532 03:43, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

Dear FreeRangeFrog and Jytdog,

Thank you for notifying me of problems with the Sawdust Art Festival page. I want to reiterate that I have no professional relationship with the Sawdust. I am a freelance art writer, primarily covering the visual arts in Southern California. You can read about me and link to some of my recent articles here: http://www.contemporary-art-dialogue.com/art-journalism.html.

In my 15 years of covering the arts in this area, I have written two or three articles that mention the Sawdust Art Festival, with each mention as part of a larger article; and none of these articles are available online.

For full disclosure, I have a website with a blog page on the Sawdust: http://www.contemporary-art-dialogue.com/sawdust-festival.html. As you can read, this page is quite different from my Wikipedia page on the Sawdust.

I uploaded the Sawdust page because I feel that the festival is worth reading about.

I appreciate all of your guidance and efforts to improve the Sawdust page and to remove content that sounds promotional, and I agree that it is much better now

I also appreciate the fact that you removed the COI tag.

I think that the page is now in good enough shape to remove the advertising tag. Can you remove it, or is it OK if I do so?

Thank you!

Artwriter21532 16: 38, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

Edit war warring

Please do not restore unsourced content to the article. I raised issues about the unsourced/fake sourced content on Talk and about the use of WP:SPS. Please discuss there instead of edit warring the content back in. Thanks.

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Sawdust Art Festival. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Please be particularly aware that Wikipedia's policy on edit warring states:

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If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. Jytdog (talk) 13:26, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

OK, no more editing wars

Please note that Herman Wong is incorrect in citing the festival lot as being 2 ½ acres. It has always been 3 acres. The Sawdust web page and writes: “1968 was an important year for the Sawdust. The show moved to its present three-acre site at 935 Laguna Canyon Road…” Other articles confirm this. Please also note that your following statement is not the primary reason that the festival began to charge admission fees: “Admission, which had been free, was raised to 25 cents, to disincentivize "the locals"—some of whom came to chant and preach—from attending.” Also, none of the citations following this statement support your statement. The reason that I wrote for the admission charge was to pay for the mortgage. And my original version had a quote from a book on the Sawdust. I think it’s OK to include your statement, but as a secondary reason. Also the wooden, fort-like gate is no longer there, but has been replaced by the distinctive façade, designed by Lashley - that I described – that you took out. This façade is the only permanent part of the festival, and I think should be described.

Artwriter21532 16: 53, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Please discuss content on the article talk page. It is here: Talk:Sawdust Art Festival. You can just copy your comment there if you want. But the article talk page is where editors come together to talk about improving the article. Having discussions scattered on various editors' Talk pages isn't as helpful. Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 17:01, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Regarding edits again

The following is also on the Talk:Sawdust Art Festival page.

Regarding the Sawdust Art Festival page, which states, “The next year, they rented a 2 1/2-acre site on Laguna Canyon Road across the street from the established FOA.” Please note that Herman Wong is incorrect (in the citations) in citing the festival lot as being 2 ½ acres. It has always been 3 acres. The Sawdust web page writes: “1968 was an important year for the Sawdust. The show moved to its present three-acre site at 935 Laguna Canyon Road…”

Please further note that in the article linking from footnote #17, it is written that the Sawdust Festival is on 3 acres, not on 2 ½ acres as is indicted in the article. The footnote reads, “Michael Miller. "Sawdust Festival lets the wood chips fall where they may" Coastline Pilot, 19 June 2014.” Within the article it reads: “Walking around the 3-acre site on Laguna Canyon Road, it's impossible to miss the shaved wood on the ground or the accompanying smell in the air. The Sawdust festival got its name — and its decor — when it moved to its current home in 1968, and according to the event's website, the roughage is spread on the ground to fight dust and mud.” Please change the 2½ acres to 3 acres for accuracy.

Please also note that the following statement on the page is not the primary reason that the festival began to charge admission fees: “Admission, which had been free, was raised to 25 cents, to disincentivize "the locals"—some of whom came to chant and preach—from attending.” Also, none of the citations following this statement support it, so I don’t know if it is correct. The following statement that I wrote on an earlier version of the page is correct, and is from a book on the Sawdust. (My earlier version also had a quote from this book that I would like to re-insert as a footnote.): “Admission was initially free. But in the early 1970s, organizers began charging 25 cents admission to begin to pay off the cost of that original three-acre parcel of land, which they had just purchased.”

Also, the wooden, fort-like gate is no longer there, but the latest version of the page makes it sound like the gate is still there. The gate has been replaced by the distinctive façade, designed by Lashley - that I described in an earlier version – that was taken out. This façade is the only permanent part of the festival, is recognized by people from around the world, and I think should be re-inserted. There are no specific citations that I can find about the facade, but there are citations about the architect.

Thank you! Artwriter21532 5: 27, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

hey... the normal way that wikipedia works, is you edit the article directly, and if there is a disagreement, you work it out on the article talk page. why are you not writing this on the article talk page? (real question) Jytdog (talk) 10:27, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

I also wrote the above on the article talk page.

I will edit this myself and then write it on the article talk page. i didn't do that because you wrote that I couldn't. But I will do that now.

Artwriter21532 10: 44, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Added content to the history of Sawdust Art Festival page, all with citations, and corrected previously incorrect content about the history. Jim Lashley citation does not specifically mention his designing the façade, but no article on this is available anywhere. The Lashley façade is known to people all over the world and is worth a mention.

Also, I moved the second citation because it did not fit in the original place.

Artwriter21532 19:12, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Added new content with new citation/reference, at Jytdog's suggestion, to the early history to make it accurate.

Artwriter21532 June 4, 2015, 16:32 (UTC)

Response from Artwriter21532

Following is my suggested content for the historical category - to become two categories. This text includes all formatting. I have gone over what I previously uploaded and deleted anything that sounded promotional or was unreferenced, except in one case where I included (citation needed). If you approve of this new content, I will upload it - unless you want to do so. Please note that I have bolded the subheads, or the beginnings of the categories, so as to not appear as new categories in this thread. I am also not including the formatting for the images. I can add them in later.

Artwriter21532 June 3, 2015, 00:02 (UTC)

Early History

In 1965, a group of hippie-type artists were dissatisfied with the nearby Laguna Beach Festival of Arts (FOA) and its jury system, which they viewed as rigged and part of The Establishment. This group held their first showing on the vacant Peacock Lot in Laguna.

In 1968, the festival moved to its present three-acre site on Laguna Canyon Road, across the street from the established FOA. At this new site, Sawdust artists began building "wildly conceived, mostly wood-built quasi-dwellings, which were heavy on the rustic theme, with no two alike." They also built a wooden, fort-like gate, and spread sawdust or wood chips onto the bare ground.

The festival's carnival atmosphere in the early days featured streakers and religious fanatics preaching amid the booths.

Admission was initially free. But a new policy to charge 25 cents came about in the early 1970s when the Sawdust purchased that original three-acre parcel of land, and needed additional money to gradually pay off the mortgage. (citation needed) Charging admission also served to disincentivize the locals—some of whom came to chant and preach—from attending.

The festival soon gained a reputation as a place to go to, and attendance reached a peak of 350,000 in the early 1970s. By the mid-1980s, the home-made booths, gate and sawdust remained. But as the festival became more respectable, attendance fell to around 250,000.

History since the 1980s

In 1985, the Sawdust spent $6,000 for a new front façade, a mock-up of the nearby Hotel Laguna and three other local historic structures. In 1988, Sawdust management decided that it needed a new permanent facade. Laguna Beach architect Jim Lashley designed the new façade, basing it in style on the “Witches House” in the this city.

By the late 1980s, the Sawdust was a bigger tourist attraction than the FOA.

By 2003, the festival had acquired professional management, charged $5.50 for admission and continued to have about 200,000 visitors a year. By then, several artists had been exhibiting at the festival since its early days and still do. These artists include Doug Miller, Larry Gill, Nikki Grant, Dion Wright. and David Nelson.

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