User talk:Arlo Barnes

use 'new section' please.

Antimatter weapon

On 21 February 2021 you made a comment at Talk:Antimatter weapon about refocusing the article on fiction. I just removed most of the real-life content as original research, which was largely unreferenced and for which I could not find a single reliable source. You can improve the finctional content now, provided you do not make an indiscriminate WP:IPC list. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 06:43, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

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Anarchism

Hi Arlo Barnes,

I saw your work on articles related to anarchism and wanted to say hello, as I work in the topic area too. If you haven't already, you might want to watch our noticeboard for Wikipedia's coverage of anarchism, which is a great place to ask questions, collaborate, discuss style/structure precedent, and stay informed about content related to anarchism. Take a look for yourself!

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Adaptogen talk topic

Hello - on my talk page, you said, "You reverted my edit with the message "A talk page is not a blog or social media site for nonsense", but I don't see what's nonsensical about indicating a topic-relevant primary source about which secondary sources suitable for mainspace might be found. Isn't that what talk pages are useful for?"

I reverted this edit because you did not follow WP:TALK guidelines to propose a specific improvement to the article, with a WP:RS source. The rule is "article talk pages exist solely to discuss how to improve articles; they are not for general discussion about the subject of the article."

1. there was no proposal for improvement offered
2. there was no WP:RS source provided
3. the commercial website you provided suggests you believe it is a reliable source of information about adaptogens (it is not; it's spam nonsense) and is WP:PROMO, i.e., the main intent of the website is to sell products. Zefr (talk) 02:40, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

I don't believe it's a reliable source or I would have put it in the article. But then, I think an 'adaptogen' is a meaningless woo-marketing buzzword, and the site is an example of a particular bee buzzing that tune. The fact that a famous person is involved is really the only reason I think it is a notable development as far as the subject of the article is concerned. Arlo James Barnes 03:04, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Mostly agree. Your response indicates you saw the conspicuous woo nature of the website, but your comment about Anderson isn't a basis for notability. I don't think there's any scientific training in her career history that would indicate she knows anything about adaptogens or nootropics (or why they're actually not effective), other than being gullible and selfish enough to use the terms for deceiving her fans and customers to market her products. Zefr (talk) 03:15, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

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Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 16:04, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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Please stop adding the "annotated link" template to random pages you aren't otherwise involved in editing

The {{annotated link}} template gives almost universally terrible results, because short descriptions and see also section annotations have completely unrelated and largely contradictory criteria. A good short description is almost always a bad see-also annotation, and vice versa. Trying to use a tool designed for one purpose for a different purpose for which it is completely unsuited is a distracting waste of time for yourself, other editors, and readers. If you want to add annotations to see also sections, please write your own manual annotations which are appropriate and relevant to the context. There is no consensus for the mass adoption of this template, and doing so in a bot-like fashion (cf. WP:MEATBOT) as you have been recently doing is disruptive to the Wikipedia project. –jacobolus (t) 21:10, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

'no consensus for mass adoption' is different from being 'contrary to consensus' and from 'caus[ing] errors an attentive human would not make', so I don't see how the bot page is relevant. Using a first-approximation label for a link doesn't prevent editors (myself included) from replacing it with a better manual string, but does reduce the number of unlabelled links in see-also sections. It also reveals articles that should have a shortdesc but don't yet. Please don't assert that my editing activities waste my own time, which after all can only be spent by myself; however, I would be happy to work with specific feedback like you provided in the edit summary for your reverts/revisions at geodetic astronomy and Transverse Mercator projection. Arlo James Barnes 21:25, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Unlabeled links are completely fine. There is no consensus that see also links should be annotated. Readers can usually figure out what a link is about from the title, and where they can't, clicking links is easy and free. In my opinion bad annotations are significantly worse than no annotations at all.

The reason to not have either bots or human "meatbots" making mass changes is that such changes are onerous to revert and extremely disruptive to have edit wars about. See Wikipedia:Fait accompli. If you want to make large-scale changes, it should not be done without editor consensus.

Nobody cares if you want to add annotated links on an article you worked on extensively. It's easy to revert to un-annotated links, manually write annotations, etc. on that one page, it's easy to discuss on the local talk page to determine local consensus, and uninvolved editors will defer to your judgment if you worked on the page heavily.

But adding these links to large numbers of pages in a drive-by fashion is inappropriate and disruptive. You should seek project-wide consensus before undertaking such mass-editing activities; if the community were to decide that such annotated links should be widely added, it would be easy to get an actual bot to do it, but I expect you'll get considerable pushback from people who think it's a bad idea. That is, I do not expect community consensus would support such edits. –jacobolus (t) 21:51, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Bots can't exercise judgement or make exceptions in the moment, so I doubt I would pursue that course. I'm also wary of the admittedly fuzzy line between stewardship and WP:OWNership, but I'll cool it with the template additions until such time that the details of your concerns are clearer to me. Do you know of some talk archives which might help provide context? Arlo James Barnes 22:12, 27 November 2024 (UTC)