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February 2017

Hello, I'm Jim1138. I noticed that you made a change to an article, USC Trojans football, but you didn't provide a source. I’ve removed it for now, but if you’d like to include a citation to a reliable source and re-add it, please do so! If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. Jim1138 (talk) 08:36, 7 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

USC Trojans football

I undid your edit to USC Trojans football as it was unreferenced. Adding references is how we ensure that content is valid. Without references, a reader can not easily validate information and there is no presumption of accuracy. To add a reference, please read Help:Referencing for beginners and Help:footnotes. This is covered by the Wikipedia policy of wp:verifiability (WP:V). Please wp:cite your edits with wp:reliable sources (RS). Per WP:V unsourced content can be removed. Your edits are saved in the wp:page history. Please add references when you restore the content. Thank you Jim1138 (talk) 08:38, 7 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Lack of referencing at List of Rose Bowl broadcasters

Hi Arbogast54. I've recently come across List of Rose Bowl broadcasters. I'm afraid there is no easy way to say this: this article does not belong on Wikipedia in this form, and significant parts of it are going to be deleted, because you openly admit it is entirely unreferenced in your edit summaries and is what we call "original research", which is not allowed on Wikipedia: see here. We cannot write Wikipedia articles based on private discussions we have had with people who have told us information: we have to use reliable, published sources.

It is important that you understand what this means. It is not a rejection of your work, the time and effort you have put into doing it, or your clear passion about the subject. It does not mean that this content could not return in future. But if we ever do have a list such as this, it needs to be sourced to one or more reliable, published sources. I'm happy to give it a few days to discuss this with you if there is anything I can help with but after that all the unsourced information will be removed. ninety:one (reply on my talk) 13:56, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Interestingly, I am writing a book. If I put it in my book then reference my book as a cited source it will then be ok to put on wiki? Well I only intended for people to have a completed document they could reference as opposed to the partial one I completed. I hope you reconsider Arbogast54 (talk) 17:59, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No matter how useful or valuable the work might be, it cannot be on Wikipedia unless it can be referenced to a reliable, published source. Should you publish a book in the future, it could be able to be used as a source for a page like this, but please consider WP:SELFCITE. ninety:one (reply on my talk) 22:18, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

What is worse:self cite. I’d appreciate your help and guidance.

One more q? What if it appears on a verifiable website? One NOT run by me and that I do not work for or with in any way? Is that enough? Arbogast54 (talk) 23:11, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry that is a typo should say what is WP:selfcite Arbogast54 (talk) 23:12, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It's the section of our conflict of interest guideline on citing works the editor in question has themself written/published. A decent website that has some level of editorial quality control would be great as a source. ninety:one (reply on my talk) 19:47, 2 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm disappointed to see that you've started re-building the list I removed. Given that on further review the entire article is unsourced, it would meet the criteria for deletion and that is a route we could go down. If, however, there is a prospect of you being able to fully source it (as discussed above, with reliable published sources) within a reasonable timeframe, then I propose moving it to your user space (say User:Arbogast54/Rose Bose announcer history) to allow you to continue working on it, with a view to moving it back into the encyclopaedia when it's been referenced. However, this is only supposed to be a temporary step - we can't keep unsourced content on Wikipedia for ever. ninety:one (reply on my talk) 14:07, 4 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]