User talk:Antiquary/Archive 2

The Ruined Maid

I wrote a trifle on "The Ruined Maid". Perhaps the text should be on wikisource? I'm really not one for analyses, so I probably have no business writing articles on poems, stories, and novels. If you can add anything, please do. I had always thought that Amelia was a "kept woman", so the prostitute detail was a surprise. Reading criticism kills the literary "magic" a bit for me, so I think I'm going to stick to bios in the future. INeverCry 03:48, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Some of the other "modern" sources I looked at took the prostitution line as well. It turned me off a bit on the whole deal. I think this and quite a few other examples of modern literary criticism are pure bollocks as they say in your locale, or bs as they say in mine. INeverCry 20:33, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

I was just thinking that if Amelia came to town dressed in tatters etc, how would she fall in with a man who would want her, and could afford to make her his mistress, especially with the lack of manners she would have? It might be more likely that a pimp would take her in, dress her up, and teach her to talk a bit nicer in order to increase her value on the "market", or that she might learn some higher slang from "customers". Either way it's a great poem. INeverCry 18:41, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Sigurd

Поздравляю!!! INeverCry 08:04, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

What a great barnstar! That'll help me keep up my average of one a year. ;) All we need now is more dross. I usually try to turn mine into gold on ebay, but I end up with tin and copper most of the time. INeverCry 20:28, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

George Crabbe

I've done a BIG expansion of George Crabbe. I still need to add some back-up refs and maybe a few more bio details, but the bio is just about complete. The criticism section is almost non-existent so I'll have to put something together. The naturalism and entomology section needs refs and maybe a small expansion, with more details about this area of his life. With your help and some time, perhaps this could be our next GA project? Take a look. The later life section contains an anecdote about Sir Walter Scott and King George IV's wine glass that I first read years ago in an Oxford volume of literary anecdotes. Also, there's mention of a town named Clifton at the end of the later life section, but I'll need your help for finding which Clifton this is. INeverCry 23:53, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

I've done some more work on Crabbe, with just enough about criticism to say that there actually is a "criticism section". Any additions of yours are, of course, much appreciated. I wish someone would've reffed the scientific part, as it's well written.

An easier method of finding a new GA article would be to adopt a b-class article and take off with it. I'll see about putting together a list of potential adoptees. I'll continue on with old Crabbe, but there's nothing but time on that front. The article is already something I'm proud of. INeverCry 16:25, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

I was able to ref the nat/ent section, and have re-rated the article as b-class. The criticism section still needs quite a bit of work, with more in-depth general material, especially concerning his technique, influences, etc, and maybe sections on The Village and The Borough. As of now, though, we've worked together on a GA article and a b-class article, which may mean that we're going the opposite way than what we expected; next we can find a start-class article to promote to c-class. ;) In all seriousness, the Crabbe article is my best work, outside of my big 3 Russian collaborations: Ivan Bunin, Nikolai Leskov, and Aleksey Konstantinovich Tolstoy (I show them off whenever an opportunity presents itself). Btw, if you can do something with the Maid, that would be great, as I'm in disagreement with the whole prostitute thing. INeverCry 19:32, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

I'm glad you like our articles. The problems are that my Russian friend isn't all that interested in the hassle of FA, and finding a reviewer that can work with our Russian language refs on such a large scale is very difficult. We do have a couple of smaller ones that I've been thinking of for GA: Nina Shatskaya and Anastasiya Vertinskaya. Tell me what you think of these (I think Shatskaya is the more promising of the two). The Russian language reffing is an issue with these as well, but to a much lesser degree. INeverCry 22:33, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Since you liked the articles, tell me what you think of my 3 monumental lists: List of Russian-language novelists, List of Russian-language poets, and List of Russian-language writers? These are 90% my creations. I was able to add about 60 or 70 pd poems to the List of Poets. It's too bad we don't have anything like these for English/American/Scottish/Irish poets or novelists. I figure there would be alot of contention about who should be on the list, what poems shoud be on the list, etc. INeverCry 00:16, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Emails

I'm the one who should be apologizing (which I do), as it was quite an over-reaction. This is a nasty habit all too common among middle-aged Americans. ;) As for our reviewer, he's nothing compared to the Featured List fiasco I had to suffer through after nominating List of Russian explorers; we worked on one reviewer's suggestions for over a month, an then, within the space of a day or two, the other reviewer came up with a bunch of new problems and failed the nomination. As you hinted, GA reviewers almost seem to be required to find faults as a prerequisite. I did my one and only review (Flixton, Greater Manchester) in one day though! Also, as I mentioned, pending changes may be brought back to en.wiki soon. I don't think voting against it will do a whole lot, though, as the "aye" votes have a huge lead. I have pending changes on ru.wiki, and probably de.wiki that have been "pending" for a year or more! (All I do is add pictures and interwiki). You and I should have no trouble getting reviewer/autoreviewer status; I just hope it doesn't chase away my old pal and collaborator Volodya. It's strange that with all the backlogs here, they don't seem to think pc will cause the same problems. Anyways, the Maid isn't looking quite as Ruined as she did originally. I'm thinking about doing a another trifle on Hardy's "The Respectable Burgher", though a bit better formed. I also ordered a copy of the 1970 Cambridge University collection of Crabbe's poetry, which should help with criticism for the article. Пока! Иметь хороший день! INeverCry 19:39, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

For evidence of the wonderful performance of PC, take a look at these articles: Markevich - Pomyalovsky (remember to set your preferences <Настройки> to English so you can see better what I'm referring to - though you probably already know this). The Markevich article hasn't been checked since 2009!! I've seen other more popular articles there that have 50 or more pending changes. And ru.wiki is much smaller than en.wiki. How many new editors will enjoy having their additions pending for ages? INeverCry 23:35, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

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I fixed these. INeverCry 17:10, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

"The Respectable Burgher"

Here's that other trifle I mentioned doing earlier. I included the text in this one because I don't think a synopsis could really do it justice. INeverCry 20:25, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

The text of Hardy's claim is included in the Gibson ref. I'm sorry to hear about your internet connection. You've really got to get something faster. INeverCry 21:05, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Arthur

Great new article! No surprise, of course. I hope you don't mind my adding what I thought was an apt illustration. Replace it at your peril - I mean your pleasure. ;) I've just started Waverly so I'll be off reading for the most part for some days to come. The first 5 chapters were a pleasant surprise, seeing that I was expecting something slow. I found it anything but. I ended up reading through chapter III on Edward's education several times, and adding some of it to my notebook. A modern diagnosis of Edward's mental habits might point toward a.d.d., (which is nothing bad really, as many high intelligence people have it - absent minded professors and such). INeverCry 05:01, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Are we saying that Waverly Honour is in Leicestershire? I saw the mention of Charles and the Battle of Worcester which obviously places it in the Midlands. I love details... INeverCry 20:06, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Signature

Antiquary - [[User talk:Antiquary|<font face="Copperplate Gothic Bold" color="black">Antiquary</font>]]

Antiquary - [[User talk:Antiquary|<font face="Mistral" color="black"><big>Antiquary</big></font>]]

Here are a couple of things I was messing with, seeing that you don't use a sig and all. They're ready for use - all you'd have to do is copy and paste them into your signature box in preferences and check the box that says "treat the above as wiki-markup". INeverCry 20:06, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

You could always use them to top a page:

Antiquary

or,

Antiquary

or... but I'll refrain.

As for WH being in Leicestershire, I would've thought the Worcester battle reference would have placed it rather in the West Midlands, though Charles might have gone a bit further knowing he'd be chased. Atleast we can be pretty well certain that WH is somewhere in the Midlands. I'm meeting the Bradwardines at the moment, btw. INeverCry 23:51, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Athelston

Another excellent half-decent ;) article. What do you think of the illustration/caption I added? INeverCry 18:35, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

"Striking" is what I usually go for, as I approach article images from a graphic artist's perspective. I like the full image of the window better, but the detail fits the space perfectly. Either of the 2 pages you showed me would be tough to use in the article at its current size or at all really. If either of them was illustrated or had a real title, it would be a different story. INeverCry 21:12, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

As for your "letters", it reminds me that I was thinking of ordering a copy of Sir Walter's Letters on Demonology and Witchcraft along with copies of The Black Dwarf and a few other of his rarer works like The Pirate and The Abbot of which I have somewhat sub-par copies at the present time. INeverCry 21:16, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

It seems that the later works of many writers don't measure up to what they did when they were at their best. Trollope (some of his later works are rather sensational like Dr. Wortle, Eye for an Eye, etc), Thackeray (according to Trollope in his autobio, Thackeray's Virginians, Phillip, Lovell, etc, don't show the same deep connection to his characters as Vanity Fair, Pendennis, or The Newcomes - I wouldn't know as I've only read Vanity Fair), Wilkie Collins, etc. The late novel of Scott that particularly interests me is St. Ronan's Well, simply for its uniqueness amongst his works in dealing with the life of his own times. As for some of the others, the later ones based in Scotland appeal to me because Scottish historical novels don't seem to be very numerous. I'll certainly stick to his best for the forseeable future, though. INeverCry 22:53, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

With regard to Scott, I think I'll stick to my plan of reading his best, including Waverly, Guy Mannering, The Antiquary, Rob Roy, and Midlothian. As for Hogg, I have the Edinburgh Univ copies of his Anecdotes of Scott, and Winter Evening Tales, and so I'll stick with those. I have Galt's Entail and Provost, Inchbald's Simple Story, and a few others to round out my reading for some time to come.

I don't know how much you've read of the Russians, but I can recommend Pushkin's Tales of Belkin, Gogol's Mirgorod and Dikanka, Turgenev's First Love and Other Stories (Oxford or Penguin) and his Spring Torrents, Tolstoy's Sebastopol Sketches, The Raid, The Woodfelling, A Prisoner of the Caucasus and Childhood - Boyhood - Youth, and just about anything of Chekhov's. The Penguin and Oxford editions, or the Pevear-Volokhonsky editions would be the best. A non-Russian to look at would be Prosper Merimee, though you probably already know his Carmen. INeverCry 21:50, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

BTW, I found a Scott signature and added it to his article (a bit of a hodge-podge that article is - but then the signature is a bit squiggly, so I guess they fit). When I added it to the Russian wiki Scott article I noticed that there were 75 "pending changes" reaching all the way back to November of 2010. ;) INeverCry 04:11, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

The list of Russian-language Poets is the only one of the lists I showed you that I really feel proud of. If I didn't have to worry about copyright, I could've doubled what's on there. As it is, the samples are really high-quality, both as poems and as translations (mostly). The List of Novelists is problematic: notability of works always has a tendency toward subjectivity, and the "illustration" columns are almost entirely superfluous, as true illustrations of actual works are few and far between. I ended up filling these slots with just about anything.

As for Russian lit, if you only read Tolstoy, Dostoyevsky, and Chekhov, you'd be discovering a whole world of literary "blessings". Chekhov's letters are wonderful, just like his stories. Dostoyevsky's letters are interesting as well. As for Lev Trotsky, I can't help but wonder what would've happened if he had become Secretary of the CPSU rather than Stalin. You might also be interested in the writings of Maxim Gorky, fiction, memoirs, diaries, etc.

As for me I have vague notions of expanding Crabbe's critical section and taking him to GAN, or of consulting one of the big players on here about GA chances for Aleksey Konstantinovich Tolstoy. I expanded the lead. We'll see. INeverCry 22:50, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

George Crabbe GAN

I've nominated my George Crabbe for GA. Wish me luck. INeverCry 20:55, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

The story of Charles and Mary Lamb is both sad and inspirational to me. Sad of course for the horrible thing that Mary did and that Charles had such a lifelong struggle with alcoholism, but inspirational that he stuck by Mary till his death and was able do valuable literary work. I'm sure the article will be impressive. With Crabbe, I've done what I could in the critical part, and will hope for the best.

The Gulags started under Lenin, but I don't know that things would've got quite so bad under Trotsky as they did under Stalin. Stalin's paranoia caused him to increase the death quotas of the 30s sky-high for his underlings like Krushchev, Kaganovich, and the rest, to an extent that I don't quite see Trotsky reaching. I also wonder what Trotsky's approach to Hitler and Nazi Germany would've been; whether he would've sent Beria to work out the same treaty, etc. INeverCry 22:01, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Love the detail you added. INeverCry 18:01, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Lamb's letters

I found a title page for the article. I'll have to take a closer look at it in a bit. INeverCry 20:44, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

I made a category: Category:Works by Charles Lamb, and a navbox: Template:Charles Lamb. The navbox would look alot better with some "people", and a change to just "Charles Lamb". Whenever one of us has time. INeverCry 07:12, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

The navbox looks very nice. INeverCry 19:07, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Lists I just found

Take a look at the List of years in literature and the List of years in poetry. The early years are ripe for editing. I love lists... INeverCry 21:12, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

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Look at this...

I found this user after looking at the Middle Ages article. Have a quick scroll down her user page. She has 50 FAs, 80 GAs, 100 DYKs, 160 GA reviews, etc, etc... This made me feel both immensely impressed and alot like one of these little fellows. ;) INeverCry 23:33, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

You and I would've been out of luck if we even thought we were luke-warm stuff. This actually helped confirm me in my frequent ideas of simply writing bios and moving on without spending alot of time on "critical response", or any time worrying about GA. My thought on this is that it would be better to have 10 b-class or c-class articles than to have 1 or 2 GAs and 8 stub or start-class articles. The other thing is that I have to do what I enjoy doing, and criticism and GA certainly aren't that. I'm going to have to cut down my edit time anyway, as my neck, back, and wrist are telling me to do so. I remember laughing at aches and pains when I was young. Now they're having a bit of a laugh at me. INeverCry 20:38, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the message. Leaning forward is exactly what's been giving me these problems, except for the little wrist thing, which is from too many repetitive clicks and copy-and-pastes, etc. I think that cutting down on my editing time will help, especially dropping all the wp assessments and other minor things. I have a disability that I've suffered from for about 15 years that leaves me in too much pain and discomfort at times to read or write much, which is why I've done so much of the the small stuff. Right now I'm trying leaning back and having the keyboard on my lap.

In regard to GA, the only thing I liked about the Sigurd review is working with you. If the reviews were done by more particularly interested and knowledgeable people, I'd probably be enthusiastic, but Sigurd was basically pulled out of a hat. If only I could find someone who loves literary criticism as much as I'm annoyed by it... but, like you say, we have to go with what moves us, and for me that's bios and images. Speaking of images, I did a graphic makeover on Maria Edgeworth, and found a lovely painted portrait of her for the lead. Right now I'm working on another Russian monument, this one is for Aleksey Pisemsky, and have atleast a week or two's copy edits to do. It's a labor of love though. So far the leaning back and typing on my lap seems to be much better, but I don't want to neglect Sir Walter either. I'm half-way through Waverly, and the pace has picked up quite a bit, though I had no issue with the leisurely one that came before. Edward is in the custody of Major Melville at the moment. INeverCry 19:49, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

I forgot to show you this little hoax article my friend and I found: Yuri Abramov. The plain goofyness of it made me laugh; "Box of Kittens"? "Charlie Exum"? "disembowled himself"?! I almost feel bad for AFDing it. ;) INeverCry 19:59, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry to hear that you're in so much pain. My neck problems are a bit better, but my disability, which is internal, constantly bothers me. My main problem with wikipedia, though, is the same thing I've mentioned before, regarding enthusiasm, purpose, appreciation, etc... INeverCry 22:41, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

... and at this

Here's something I thought was pretty cool: User talk:Courcelles#Yummy WikiLove and best wishes. Also, I hope you like the 1696 title page I added to your Essays, as it was about the earliest thing I could find. I get to go to the doctor tomorrow; hopefully I'll get better pills than the ones that mother gives me. ;) INeverCry 02:37, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

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Enjoy a Virtual Meal on the INeverCry Express. (Guaranteed calorie-free!) personalized WikiLove by Penyulap

The Courcelles tp got archived quick, so here's the animation I was talking about; It's really the called the Pesky express, but I diverted it for a sec. ;) It made me feel a bit better to see it, maybe it'll do the same for you. I hope to hear from you soon. INeverCry 03:09, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

I just remembered you telling me you had a slow connection, and here I am posting a big animation! I hope it looks ok. INeverCry 06:27, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Essays etc

I'm glad you liked the animation, and to hear from you. What did you think of the personalized "Thomas Moore literary award", now featured at the top of my user page?

I went through the Essays and fixed up and seperated all the refs. All the archive.org stuff comes from universities, who often have stamped their library stamps right on old 1st ed title pages (I've spent many hours repairing the images for upload). These universities, especially Oxford's Bodlian, have some beautiful old stuff. INeverCry 20:26, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

I also converted the contents list to bullets and added a linked ref to the 1853 Markby list, which is the same as the 1859. INeverCry 20:53, 13 May 2012 (UTC)