User talk:Anonymous editor/Archive 9

Thanks

I am still nervous :-) εγκυκλοπαίδεια* 23:59, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Isa Article

The following argument is taken from the following website (http://www.themodernreligion.com/comparative/christ/bible_meaningtomuslims.html). It explains my edit.

"The Muslim used to have probably a very different attitude about the gospels than he does today. I’m just speaking of the majority or large segments of the community who use to feel much differently than large segments of the community feel today. And most of the blame for that I suppose could be placed on one hand on the Muslim and on the other hand on some of the Christian community and how it was they present the gospel. So I have to talk a little bit about that, I am trying to clear the air both for the Muslim and the Christian, and the interested bystander.

You see the Quran commands the Muslim to show respect for the books of other people, their religious scriptures. That commandment was abused by certain, I stress just certain, missionary efforts. By taking these verses that relate to the respect for scripture out of their context, and quoting them back to the Muslims saying, "Look, your book says my book is true. So read my book and then you’ll be in trouble because you’ll find out that my book is different than your book." And I’m afraid than that the blame must be shifted over to the Muslim who very often never thought about that before but thought that made a lot of sense, and he was letting someone else tell him what his own book said. So it was that before too long when the missionary would on the one hand say your book says you should listen carefully to my book now let me read you my book, the Muslim tended to think that it must be that your book is full of lies.

Even if the Quran says respect the books of other people, it must be that some people have put some lies in there, because I don’t go along with that thing you’re reading. He looked back into the Quran to try to find some verses to justify the position that the Christian changed his scriptures and put some lies in there. And that just made it worse because now the missionary said, "You’re really off your book because on one hand it says believe in our book and on the other hand it says we changed our book. "The problem being that the Quran doesn’t say any such thing of the kind, and these arguments that were first brought forward about 200 years ago are reprinted every year by certain missionary groups. The arguments are old and tired and quite insufficient."

THE QURAN’S THREE ACCUSATIONS

What the Quran really criticizes is not anybody else’s books. It never mentions the Bible, but as a matter of fact neither does the bible, that is just a nickname for a collection of books. What it talks about are scriptures and what it criticizes is the way that some, I stress some people, use their scriptures. It criticizes the handling of whatever people call scripture. It endorses the fact that the truth has been preserved by people, that they have in their scriptures the truth, but they mishandle it.

It makes basically three accusations which probably you could go to any church and the pastor will say those things are true of those people over there.

(I) The Quran says some of the Jews and Christians pass over much of what is in their scriptures.

(II) Some of them have changed the words, and this is the one that is misused by Muslims very often giving the impression that once there was a true bible and then somebody hid that one away, then they published a false one. The Quran doesn’t say that. What it criticizes is that people who have the proper words in front of them, but they don’t deliver that up to people. They mistranslate it, or misrepresent it, or they add to the meaning of it. They put a different slant on it.

(III) And the third accusation is that some people falsely attribute to God what is really written by men.

Now probably in any church there will be people who will say, "Yes, I know a church that does all those three things. They pass over much of what is in their scripture, they‘ve changed things, they put the wrong slant on the words, and they’ve credited God with things that men said. "So really there is not a cause for a problem between the Christian and the Muslim on these charges, the Christian, I would like to think, would generally go along with those ideas."

I think based on this text, my edit to the article was justified. Thanks --Aminz 02:06, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Would you please let me know your opinion about my edits? The reason that I think my edits were important is that Many fundamentalist Christians and Jews find the statement that Bible has been changed offensive in the first place. Of course saying that at least some parts of the Bible have been changed is defensible (e.g. book of Esther) though some people may not like it. But I think it would be illogical to ask Christian and Jews to not to use their book in their judgments. The Quran states:

"It was We who revealed the law (to Moses): therein was guidance and light. By its standard have been judged the Jews, by the prophets who bowed to God's will, by the rabbis and the doctors of law: for to them was entrusted the protection of God's book, and they were witnesses thereto: therefore fear not men, but fear me, and sell not my signs for a miserable price. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what God hath revealed, they are (no better than) Unbelievers. "(Quran 5:45)

"Let the people of the Gospel judge by what God hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what God hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel." (5:48)

"To thee We sent the Scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety: so judge between them by what God hath revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging from the Truth that hath come to thee. To each among you have we prescribed a law and an open way. If God had so willed, He would have made you a single people, but (His plan is) to test you in what He hath given you: so strive as in a race in all virtues. The goal of you all is to God. it is He that will show you the truth of the matters in which ye dispute;"(5:49)

Your sentence that "Quran wants Jews and Christians to judge by and stand fast to what were their original scriptures (e.g. 5:45-49) " could be improved I think(since Jews and Christians don't have access to the original manuscripts, Quran can not ask them to hold fast to their original scriptures). Thanks --Aminz 06:59, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi Anonymous editor, I completely agree with you point. But there are some Muslims like me who do not believe so. Of course, Qur'an asks People of the book to believe in Qur'an. But there is no verse in the Qur'an saying that you should believe so, because your scripture is corrupted. On the other hand, Muhammad(pbuh) says that since your scripture says something about me and since I pass the criteria of being a prophet, you must believe in me (because your scripture says so). The idea that the Bible has been corrupted is brought up to explain the differences between the Qur'an and the Bible. Most of the differences are historical differences which I don't care (e.g. Noah's son died in the flood or not; I don't care)

What the Qur'an asks People of the Book is "O People of the Book, commit no excesses in your religion".

The Qur'an doesn't say these Christians are doing sin in saying that Jesus was crucified. No, It says “They do blaspheme who say: “Allah is Christ the "son of Mary". But said Christ: Children of Israel! worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. ...” (5:72)

The Qur'an claims that they do not do whatever their scripture tells do to do. On the other hand, they mistranslate their scripture, or misrepresent it, or they add to the meaning of it. They put a different slant on it.

Now, I am concerned about this because many Christians and Jews at the first place find the sentence "Bible has been changed" to be offensive. Please also have a look at (5:45-49). Thanks.--Aminz 22:55, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Well, It is not a personal belief: In the article Similarities between the Bible and the Qur'an we read "Particular Muslims such as the Mu'tazili and Ismaili sects (accounting for a fairly small percentage of total Muslim population), as well as various liberal movements within Islam, believe that different revelations are created by God for the needs of particular times and places."

The Qur'an itself says (assuming this verses actually refer to the issue):

"None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things?"

"When We substitute one revelation for another,- and Allah knows best what He reveals (in stages),- they say, "Thou art but a forger": but most of them understand not. Say, the Holy Spirit has brought the revelation from thy Lord in Truth, in order to strengthen those who believe, and as a Guide and Glad Tidings to Muslims."

Could you please let me know only one verse saying that "it is wrong to believe in the crucifixion, and likewise say that the other books have major changes and not just small changes." There is none. Please show me one; that would be enough for me. The crucifixion itself is not important; the interpretation attached to it is important (i.e. saying that it is "THE salvation of man".)

Anonymous editor, of course, we should report everything no matter some people may find it offensive. But my purpose here is to help presenting Islam in the best possible way. I don't like it when some Jew or Christians read the article, at the beginning of the article reads this and says "Ah Ah" or becomes angry. If I want to explain this matter to a Non-Muslim, I would not start with such a statement. The Qur'an itself mentions this point implicitly not explicitly. It says that we replace something with a better one. This is the proper way in my mind.

Currently, please revert my edits if you want. I'll prepare some passage and consult it with you before adding. How is that? Thanks.--Aminz 23:37, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Yes, blasphemy is sin. But saying that “Jesus was crucified” is not a blasphemy. The Qur'an never says that "They do blaspheme who say: Jesus is crucified". Qur'an says that the scriptures do not say that Jesus is God; on the other hand, it says that Jesus said “ worship God, my Lord and your Lord”; Quran gives hint to Christians in order to help them realizing that their scripture doesn’t say that Jesus was God. In fact, in the gospel of John, Jesus says “I am ascending to my father and your father, to my God and your God” This is the Qur’an’s hint. Thanks --Aminz 23:52, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

That depends on what you think the verse means. But can you explain the addition that you want? --a.n.o.n.y.m ^t 17:02, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Image Tagging

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Thanks for uploading Image:GlowBarnstar.jpg. I notice the 'image' page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is unclear. If you have not created this media yourself then you need to argue that we have the right to use the media on Wikipedia (see copyright tagging below). If you have not created the media yourself then you should also specify where you found it, i.e., in most cases link to the website where you got it, and the terms of use for content from that page.

If the media also doesn't have a copyright tag then you must also add one. If you created/took the picture, audio, or video then you can use {{GFDL-self}} to release it under the GFDL. If you believe the media qualifies as fair use, please read fair use, and then use a tag such as {{Non-free fair use in|article name}} or one of the other tags listed at Wikipedia:Image copyright tags#Fair_use. See Wikipedia:Image copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.

If you have uploaded other media, please check that you have specified their source and copyright tagged them, too. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any unsourced and untagged images will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Shyam ^(T/C) 13:39, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

I have tagged it. --a.n.o.n.y.m ^t 22:53, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Holi greetings

Hello AE from an Indian wikipedian. I am wishing you a happy Holi, the unique Hindu celebration of color and brotherhood among all members of the humanity. The festival falls on 15th March 2006. By the way, I have been around here for about a year, including being an administrator from 18th September 2005. I request you to kindly do me the favor of providing me your valuable comments and suggestions on my contributions, activities and behavior pattern. I shall be awaiting your free and frank opinion, which you are most welcome to give here. Thanks. --Bhadani 05:40, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Yes happy Holi to you too. Thanks. --a.n.o.n.y.m ^t 15:54, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I was amazed to see comments about you. Please help me in this discussion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Bhadani#Samarkand_manuscript Thanks again, and good morning ... --Bhadani 17:51, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Hmm? Yes that's what I get for telling a racist (who had a problem with me even before I met him) not to attack other editors and insult people from other countries :p. Comments which mostly have me reverting anon users and evidence where I am dealing with offensive editors. But I know enough about him. Anyways I can improve that article later. --a.n.o.n.y.m ^t 19:45, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

I could understand the matter. But in spite of me coming here several times, you have not come to my talk page, thogh you claim --Bhadani 10:42, 18 March 2006 (UTC)"I usually reply to messages on the talk page of the user who left the message but sometimes you can also find replies here." I was just kidding. --Bhadani 10:42, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Image deletion

I'm not sure how to erase images. You might want to delete this. The content is offensive. Aucaman^Talk 09:51, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Fixislam

Other than his edit summaries, I'm not finding a lot of personnal attacks; It would be helpful if you could give me some links to specific diffs. Tom Harrison ^Talk 17:06, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Heh; Clearly you were right. Tom Harrison ^Talk 00:13, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Prophets

Are you still shortening the article? --a.n.o.n.y.m ^t 18:10, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

I starting making those changes during my lunch break at school (yes, I've become addicted). I had to interrupt the endeavor since I had to go to class. Now that I am at home, I will continue. joturner 21:42, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Yes you are addicted. I thought you were still editing it for many hours. --a.n.o.n.y.m ^t 00:43, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject

I created Wikipedia: WikiProject Prophets of Islam. Since I once again am on my lunch break, I have only created a preliminary project page. Feel free to contribute to it, expand it, and invite others to participate. I should be add to it significantly in about five hours. joturner 17:19, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Okay sure. --a.n.o.n.y.m ^t 17:20, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Brilliant username

Wish I'd thought of it. LeoO3 02:59, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. --a.n.o.n.y.m ^t 14:02, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Adab

Adab from an Indian wikipedian. I was not aware that you are from Pakistan, I thought you belonged to Canada. --Bhadani 09:18, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi again. You seem to come here a lot. I am both Canadian and American through my parents. Why did you think I was from Pakistan? --a.n.o.n.y.m ^t 14:02, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Forgiveness

I could use another opinion on the forgiveness article. An opinion has been expressed that the article reads too much like an essay. When you get a moment can you give it a look. The suggestion that it should be several short sentences for an intro seems a bit much (or little). I think most of the sentences provide important information. One or two could go, but other editors added them and I didn't think it was my place to delete them as they do have info.(eg Last sentence of third paragraph). Also what do you think about the picture debate. You will find these matters on tha talk page as well.

I could also use an opinion with an editor that keeps trying to slip in that Christianity is the espicially forgiveness religion. Thanks again for you earlier submission to the article. --speet 07:46, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

I looked at it again. I think the introduction can be shortened a little bit as well as the Christianity section. But I don't think it's like an essay. --a.n.o.n.y.m ^t 15:56, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Dang you are busy. Thanks for the input yesterday. As you probably saw, there was a major, basicly undiscussed deletion (or move to the bottom) of the old lead and now rewrite. I am letting it go, but still want the best for an article that means a lot to me. I don’t trust my own biased eyes. If you have a moment to read the last “old” lead at 3/16/06 @ 1:26 [1] versus what is there now I would greatly appreciate it. Any thoughts? How does one versus the other hit you coming in more from the outside? Any suggestions for my style? Please feel free to be honest, and I promise not to drag you into anything. Thanks again, --speet 23:16, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Karl

You are aware that his recent addition to his userpage proved him to be an ignorant Racist? - Further, you'll be pleased to know, according to Karl, that you and I needed shelter when we were driven from Canada and Ireland respectively - In Denmark no less, We had an oppurtunity to get a good Danish education, and were fed by the Danes when we had no food, Denmark, apparently, has been paying all our bills (So where the hell is my money going?), but, thankfully, we were not forced to work (I do it for thrills really), Further, Denmark offered us free Rent, phone,internet,car and school for our 20 Children.. It's amaxing the life I've had without knowing it. Apparently we built "Moske"s in the Christian land of the danes, and, we can't speaking Danish having lived there for 30 years.. from a pre-birth age I've lived there, and I still can't speak the language.. I'm sorry.. the stupidity of racists makes me laugh. --Irishpunktom\^talk 14:41, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Yes Canada is a place with horrible schools and no food at all and I think I should run away to Denmark so that I can finally buy a phone a build a Moske. :) Yes this makes me laugh. --a.n.o.n.y.m ^t 14:45, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Persian people

I've been told by some friends (as if there are any foes on Wikipedia) that you will probably be able to help with some of the problems we're having on the Persian people article. Could you watchlist the page and keep an eye on it? Let me know if you have any questions or need me to expand on some of the problems we're having. Aucaman^Talk 17:51, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Jesus Islamic views

Anonym, several editors are trying to bring the Jesus article up to featured status. It would be good to have Muslim editors take a look at the Jesus#Islamic_views section to make sure it correctly represents Muslim views, as we made sure with the Jewish views section. Would you mind taking a look, and making sure any sources cited are from authoritive Muslim sources? And could you invite anyone else you think might be helpful? Thanks! --MPerel ^{( talk | contrib)} 21:20, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I have added some verses and I will find some references for the Hadiths later. --a.n.o.n.y.m ^t 01:44, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

thanks

Thanks, it's good to be back. Jtkiefer^{T | C | @} ---- 02:49, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Another round of pedophile accusations

A brand new user took all the material on "age at marriage controversy" from Aisha and moved it to a new article, Mohammed's sexual orientation, which accuses Muhammad of being a pedophile. I'm exhausted and involved in too many things -- could you see about dealing with this? I dunno if it deserves a speedy delete or whether we have to grind through a regular AfD.

This new user knows too much about how WP works for a new user; I suspect that this is the return of someone banned. Enviroknot?

As you may know, I'm having problems with some of the Iranian editors, and I feel just too distracted to deal with this. Could you?

On second thought -- maybe it would be better if someone is known NOT to be a Muslim were to handle this. I'll see if Gren has any energy for this. If you can think of anyone who might be interested, please do what you can. As you know, I try to be absolutely neutral as to the pro/anti Muslim arguments, but I think that this is just over the line. Zora 05:19, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Category protection

Hello, do you think Category:Egyptian Americans should be protected? Zerida has violated 3RR on more than one occasion (see user's talk history) trying to impose political beliefs (also see: Category talk:Egyptian Americans). Thanks. - Eagle^talk 06:18, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, but don't you think it should be reverted to its original state (on December 19, 2005) before protecting it? - Eagle^talk 06:26, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Successful RfA

Thanks for your support and kind words on my recent RfA, which I am pleased to say passed with a final tally of 80/1/1. If you ever need any help, or if I mess something up as an admin, please let me know. Cactus.man ✍ 07:49, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Good Admining

Just a quick note to say that you did well to properly administer the 3RR violation against Irishpunktom and that the impartiality you demonstrated is appreciated. From reading that report I see that unfortunately admins like User:William_M._Connolley who show apathy (ie: No, *you* do a little work, if you care so much. Im going to bed and leaving this to someone else to sort out, or not.) to such reports really do a disservice to Wikipedia. Netscott 13:15, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. However William was fine by letting someone else sort out the problem. --a.n.o.n.y.m ^t 15:10, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

• Ah, I see I suppose that should have been evident from the utter dearth of links that would ordinarily be found in the previous comments on this talk page of yours. Don't forget that particular part of the Talk Page guidelines is in effect to be considered "Wikipedia policy". Thanks again! Netscott 20:15, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Okay thanks. --a.n.o.n.y.m ^t 20:20, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Adam (prophet of Islam) in Trouble

It looks like Adam (prophet of Islam) may be in jeopardy as editors in Talk:Adam and Eve are calling it a fork. Make sure you express your sentiments there. I think I have already been very clear on that talk page about my opinion that the article about Adam as a prophet of Islam (as well as all information about just Adam) should be on a separate page. joturner 02:16, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

My RFA withdrawal :(

Hello Anonymous editor, it is my apologies to bring you that I've withdrawn my RFA. Due to the lack of experience, I would go under admin coaching first before trying again later. I would thank you for your vote in this RFA whether you voted support, oppose or neutral for me. I appericiate your comments (if you do have) you made and I hope to see you here in future. --Terence Ong 14:30, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

You won't have any problems next time. --a.n.o.n.y.m ^t 16:09, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Kashmir

Why have you labelled my edits POV? Are they factually incorrect? +10 000 thundering typhoons 20:01, 18 March 2006 (UTC)+

Because you can't say that two sides are occupying something while the territory belongs to one of them. Btw administered means that it is controlled by the country. Saying things like occupied is pov. --a.n.o.n.y.m ^t 20:02, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Serbophobia

Your opinion would be appriciated here regarding deletion of the article Serbophobia. The article is making references to Srebrenica massacre and those who contributed to that issue. Thanks--Dado 17:44, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Smurrayinchester's RFA

Thank you, Anonymous editor/Archive 9
	for voting in my RFA. It passed with a result of 100/1/0. Thanks for your vote! If you have any comments, please say so here. smurrayinchester(User), (Talk) 19:29, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi Anon! Thank you for supporting my RfA. It passed at 105/1/0, putting me in WP:100 - I'm delighted and surprised! I'm always happy to help out, so if you need anything, please drop me a line. Cheers! ➨ ❝REDVERS❞ 20:37, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Arabic interwiki link?

Hi. Would you mind checking something for me? Our article at Alexandrian Wicca has an interwiki link to ar:ويكا اسكندرية. Would you mind double-checking that the article at ar is actually about the same thing? Jkelly 18:24, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi. Yes the link seems to say the same thing, but I don't know about the article. I will ask someone about it. --a.n.o.n.y.m ^t 18:35, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

From the responses below, it looks like it really is about the same thing. Thanks for checking, I appreciate it. Jkelly 21:31, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome Jkelly. Thank you Eagleamn and AnonMoos. --a.n.o.n.y.m ^t 02:49, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Seems to be "Alexandrian wicca", whatever that may be... AnonMoos 21:38, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

But is the Arabic article about this too? --a.n.o.n.y.m ^t 23:00, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Hello Anonymous. The Arabic article seems to be about the same "Alexandrian Wicca" (religion/sorcery/?) that is in the English article. The Arabic article is apparently a translation of the English introduction. - Eagle^talk 00:41, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Forgotten AfD

Hello. Can you close the vote for deletion of "Ku'rapha"? I think it snowballed and it's now forgotten by other admins. Thanks. - Eagle^talk 01:07, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

RE: Harp Seal Page

Hello there, I am in an agrument, along with at least one other Wikipedia user, over how the Harp Seal page should be edited. It appears that one user, User:Generic Player continuosly posts either unfactual or semi-factual data and complains when it is removed.

Generic Player seems to me not to get the whole unbiased review idea. Just doesn't get it. If you are free, could you look into that page for me? It would be a real helpful. I was going to do some research on the subject and post it but I am afraid that all of my research would be in vain as Generic Player will probably delete or edit it to include references to the killing of innocent seals by buck-toothed fisherman looking for some extra dough for booze money or something.

Thanks again, and have a nice day. --Kirkoconnell 21:28, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Wikiethics

Hi,

We started a proposal Wikipedia:Wikiethics to state the existing policies coherently and make suggestions on improving the editorial standards in Wiki. I thought you might be interested in contributing to that proposal.

Unfortunately, a pro-porn and pro-offense lobby is trying to make this proposal a failure. They unilaterally started an approval poll although almost no one including me believe that it is time for a vote, simply because the policy is not ready. It is not even written completely.

Editors who thinks that it needs to be improved rather than killed by an unfair poll at the beginning of the proposal, started another poll ('Do we really need a poll at this stage?') at the same time. The poll is vandalized for a while but it is stable now. A NO vote on this ('Do we really need a poll now?') poll will strengthen the position of the editors who are willing to improve the policy further.

If you have concerns about the ethics and editorial standards in Wiki, please visit the page Wikipedia:Wikiethics with your suggestions on the policy. We have two subpages: Arguments and Sections. You might want to consider reviewing these pages as well...

Thanks in advance. Resid Gulerdem 19:39, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi, they apperantly deleted again. Could you please take the 'Do we need a poll?' poll back if deleted. A NO would be helpful to wikipedians with some ethical standard. If it is deleted your taking the poll back to the discussion page would also greatly appreciated. I will check it too now. Thanks again. Resid Gulerdem 20:24, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

A support vote on the approval poll also would be good if you believe so. Resid Gulerdem 20:25, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Have a look at my user talk. I think you maybe interested in Wikipedia:Wikiethics its members say:

"We started a proposal Wikipedia:Wikiethics to state the existing policies coherently and make suggestions on improving the editorial standards in Wiki. I thought you might be interested in contributing to that proposal.

Editors who thinks that the policy needs to be improved rather than killed by an unfair poll at the beginning of the proposal, started another poll ('Do we really need a poll at this stage?') at the same time. The poll is vandalized for a while but it is stable now. A NO vote on this ('Do we really need a poll now?') poll will strengthen the position of the editors who are willing to improve the ethics policy further. "

I think this is a very good idea, and I am in support of it, please let others know who maybe interested --Street Scholar 11:20, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Greetings

Assalaamo Aleikum. Sorry to be pestering you here but note the "History" section of Muslim World. I've tried removing it, but been pushed back 4 times, including once by an IP who has appears to have been stalking Netscott, reverting back to his position at least twice after Netscott had used up his 3 reverts.. in only four edits[2]. Anyway, the problem here is as you can see, the "history" section is patently false. It credits the Ottomans with spreading Islam, which is obviously wrong considering the overwhelming vast majortity of Muslims live outside of the predominantly Arab land held by them. It then continues into irrelevence with two paragraphs on contemperary "Islamists". Frankly, if you want to know the history of Islam, thats what we have History of Islam. --Irishpunktom\^talk 22:53, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Go raibh maith agat--Irishpunktom\^talk 22:59, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome. --a.n.o.n.y.m ^t 23:00, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

lol!

Take a look at this: [3]--Striver 00:22, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Your User Page

Refer to your user page. I don't know what screen resolution you use, but it looks pretty bad in both 800x600 and 1024x768 resolutions. You seem to have blocked it for fear of vandalism. Have a look at my suggestions and see if suits your taste.

Cheers,

-Ambuj Saxena (talk) 05:01, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

His suggestion defintely makes your user page look more organized. Pepsidrinka 05:06, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Hello. Thank you very much for your suggestions Ambuj. I think I should redesign the page all over again though. Thank you for telling me about this. --a.n.o.n.y.m ^t 20:12, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Seeing your edits to the sandbox, now I know that you use 1024x768 screen resolution. Because the page now looks disorganized in 800x600. In think you should switch to both screen resolutions to find out the best choice (as I did). -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 02:58, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Ambuj. I will see if I can fix it. --a.n.o.n.y.m ^t 16:45, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

I was also always wondering about the look of your page. --Bhadani 16:40, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Greetings

I convey my greetings to you on my completion of one year as a wikipedian, and I am sure that we shall continue contribute to build the sum total of human knowledge. And, I shall surly feel “sad” if you fail to reply on my talk page. --Bhadani 14:55, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Makemi RfA

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Thank you for voting on my RfA. It passed with a consensus to promote of 45/7/1. To those of you concerned about the fact that I am a relative newcomer, I encourage you to poke me with a sharp stick if I make a mistake. Or better yet, let me know on my talk page, and I'll do my best to fix it. Makemi 05:12, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

National Assembly

The name of Quebec's legislature in English is the National Assembly. That is its name, as you can verify from any number of sources. The fact that Quebec is not a sovereign country is completely irrelevant. Please don't delete "National" and please don't put it in italics or quotation marks. -- Curps 19:06, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

I reverted some vandalism at Louis-Joseph Papineau (it's been targeted by anons recently, see the contribution history, so I had it on my watchlist). There, I noticed that the link to Legislative Assembly needed disambiguation so I changed it to Legislative Assembly of Quebec. Then I clicked on the link and went to the article, where I noticed "National" was missing. Just the usual link following. -- Curps 19:14, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Charter

I noticed you've seen the expanded version of Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Do you think it can be featured? CanadianCaesar Et tu, Brute? 19:37, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

A few of the footnotes are still missing page numbers but once I add them I plan to self-nominate. CanadianCaesar Et tu, Brute? 19:41, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, but no, not today: I don't have the books with the missing page numbers with me at the moment, and I really have to get to writing my paper- Wikipedia is seriously threatening to fail me. :) CanadianCaesar Et tu, Brute? 21:49, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

I took your suggestion. Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Wish me luck... CanadianCaesar Et tu, Brute? 02:44, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

My RfA

Thank you so much for supporting me in my recent RfA, which passed with a final tally of 56/1/0. I thank you for your confidence in my abilities. If you ever need anything or find that I have made an error, please let me know on my talk page. — Scm83x hook 'em 21:22, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

the word "bot" in usernames

I don't think that usernames with the word "bot" are against the policy. Are you saying that actual bot accounts like Tawkerbot2 (talk • contribs) should be blocked? However, if you really have security concerns, you should use something like "please contact an administrator for verification" as the block summary. --Ixfd64 21:36, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

• Well, it's true that only bots may have the word "bot" in usernames. But it can be hard to tell whether such usernames are actual bot accounts. So I think that you are right in blocking them, but you should still try to ask their owners to verify that they are indeed bot accounts. --Ixfd64 21:47, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi

Hi Anonymous editor, and thank you for taking time to vote on my RfA. I understand that my last 6000+ edits were not sufficient to convince you that edits like some of my early ones would never be repeated again, but I sincerely hope that at some point I would be able to convince you of my transformation. Looking forward to working with you in future. Regards, deeptrivia (talk) 03:13, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Good I hope they aren't repeated again. I see more racist edits everytime I look back, but I am happy to see that you have now decided to change in your last thousand edits. Regards, --a.n.o.n.y.m ^t 11:39, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Restoration

Good morning man - so I have begun my Sunday, by restoring the edits, which you are deleting repeteadly. I thing that you like grapes. They are really nice.

Restored edits:QUOTE

Comitted

- Gurubrahma tells you are committed, but I think that you are over-committed. Lighten your burden man. Why you keep this page protected - are you afraid of something? Please do not be afraid, people are here to keep a watch. Please do not delete this again... No one shall do any harm to you - we are here to support you. Lift the protection, and let the people allow to talk to you. --Bhadani 18:17, 25 March 2006 (UTC) - :Do not feel perturbed, I do not collect links like you. --Bhadani 18:19, 25 March 2006 (UTC) - - Bhadani are you sure you're okay? or is this a joke? I am happy that Gurubrahma thinks that way. Btw, there is no protection here for users. And what links? --a.n.o.n.y.m ^t 18:21, 25 March 2006 (UTC) - :Do not feel perturbed, I do not collect links like you. --Bhadani 18:19, 25 March 2006 (UTC) - ::Hmm? I think you are more burdened than I am. --a.n.o.n.y.m ^t 18:27, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
UNQUOTE

How can I see your reply if you write and delete - this is a bad way to communicate: remember the rules set by SV as regards an Ideal Wikipedian. I also request you to please stop collecting links about me, that is in bad taste. --Bhadani 05:07, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Commitment

Good morning Good Boy, I added some comments to RfA to brighten your neutral vote. By the way, I know you are committed to wikipedia, rather over-committed, but you do not have to tell this again and again. Please take breakfast in time – working here hungry make the mind to wonder, and sometimes it wanders, and make blunders. Did you finish the grapes, or should I send something more? . I also request you to please stop collecting links about me - that is, really bad and ugly thing to do. --Bhadani 08:08, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Let us pray together:

Bismillah ar-rahmaan ar-raheem

Al-hamdu lillahi rabb al-alameen

Ar-rahmaan ar-raheem

Ma[a]liki yawm ad-deen

Iyyaaka naabudu wa iyyaaka nastaeen

Ihdina s-siraata l-mustaqeem

Siraata l-latheena anamta alaihim ghair al-mughdoobi alaihim wa la daaleen

Amen - --Bhadani 08:32, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

I don't know what you are talking about or if it's just because you are burdened. But you need to do more on this encyclopedia than giving me useless messages. Regards, --a.n.o.n.y.m ^t 21:20, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

I repeat this after deleting your last. Stop giving me useless messages. Thank you. Regards --a.n.o.n.y.m ^t 20:02, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

In case you do not like me to talk with you, ok, I shall not bother you Boss. Best regards. --Bhadani 15:35, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Esperanza Newsletter, Issue #1

Reach out Reach out is a program aimed at allowing users to bring issues that they have had in Wikipedia to a listening, sympathetic and caring audience: "No one can know how we feel if we do not say. We cannot expect to get understanding if we do not ask for it. No one will dispute that sometimes life's issues are too much for one person. It is fair to say that sometimes Wikipedia's problems fall under the same heading. This is a place where you can bring the bruises that can sometimes be got on this project for attention." Stress Alerts The Stress alerts program aims at identifying users who are stressed, alerting the community of thier stress and works in tandem with the Stressbusters at trying to identify causes of stress and eliminating them. Note from the editor Welcome to this new format of the Esperanza Newsletter, which came about during the last Advisory Council meeting - we hope you like it! The major changes are that each month, right after the Council meeting, this will be sent out and will include two featured programs and a sum up of the meeting. Also, it will be signed by all of the Advisory Council members, not just Celestianpower. Have an Esperanzial end of March, everyone!

The last AC meeting (full log) Future meetings are to be held monthly, not fortnightly as before. Bans and Access level changes (apart from autovoice) in the IRC channel are to be reported at the new log. In the IRC channel, there is going to be only one bot at a time. The charter requires members to have 150 edits and 2 weeks editing. Why this is the case will be clarified. A new Code of Conduct will be drafted by JoanneB and proposed to the Esperanza community. The NPA reform idea is to be dropped officially. Charter ammendments are to be discussed in future, not voted on. The Advisory Council is not going to be proposed to be expanded by the Advisory Council themselves, if others want to propose it, they will listen. Signed... Celestianpower, JoanneB, Titoxd, KnowledgeOfSelf and FireFox 17:47, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

My RfA

Thanks for the support on my RfA. Being that your already an admin, it is not likely you will need any assistance from me in the future. Nonetheless, in the unlikely situation you do need another opinion or such, please feel free to drop me a line on my talk page. Pepsidrinka 18:28, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Criticism of Islam article

Someone has asked to remove the "disputed tag" from the article. Could you please post your opinion there. Thanks, --Aminz 20:04, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

For the timely revert to the User page --Alf ^melmac 22:55, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks again

Thank you for reverting my User Page. adamm 08:36, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Charter

Tony1 is pushing for more copyedits from an independent party. Do you know anyone particularly good at grammar who we could ask? How do you think the article has been shaping up through this process? Is it going like you imagined? CanadianCaesar Et tu, Brute? 01:59, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Edit warring

I have been informed that you again reverted my edits at Religious conversion without discussions. I would like to ask you to be more constructive in your Wikipedia collaborations as reversions are meant to deal with simple vandalism rather than edit warring. --Germen (Talk | Contribs ) 10:19, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Germen please stop using IP addresses to revert. Your message is nice, but your actions are very different. This really won't help you at all. Regards, --a.n.o.n.y.m ^t 20:01, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Evolution

Hey, this is Scorpionman. I'm not here to argue about Christianity and Islam; I'm having quite a bit of trouble on the Evolution talk page. The page incorrectly says that evolution explains the emergence of new species and that speciation has been observed. While evolution occurs within species we don't know that it causes new species to form. I'm asking for your help because hopefully you're a creationist and don't believe evolution. Could you help me get the evolution page to reach the Neutral Point of View? Thanks, Scorpionman 02:43, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

P.S. Perhaps I should first ask you if you accept evolution as a fact or theory or hypothesis. Thanks! Scorpionman 14:09, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

No I don't agree with it. I will help with this later though. Regards, --a.n.o.n.y.m ^t 19:02, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

afd

What is your opinion of this? Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sahaba's ancestors peace. --Striver 15:07, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Do you agree that the result was delete? --Striver 04:13, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

It looks like a close one. It has seven deletes and four keeps. --a.n.o.n.y.m ^t 23:01, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

User:Fee autist foamily gnome ass prints

This was actually another User:Zephram Stark sockpuppet. By the way, the name is a take-off of "The artist formerly known as Prince". Jayjg ^(talk) 22:27, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

That actually made me laugh when I figured it out. · Katefan0^(scribble)/poll 22:30, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Yes it is funny. Thanks for telling me about it. --a.n.o.n.y.m ^t 22:30, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Zephram Stark was always funny, and often smart. It's a shame he couldn't have used his powers for good, instead of evil. Jayjg ^(talk) 22:35, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Re:congrats on RfA

Thank you for congratulating me. I believe that the overstepping comment I made has done me some good. As humans, we all make mistakes and I am glad my slip-up came sooner rather than later. I have learnt from it and now will strive to become a better Wikipedian and acheive far greater results. Gizza^{Chat ©} 07:24, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Edit summaries

Can you use more descriptive edit summaries? Such summaries as "fix" or "added" are of little help. Thanks, Ghirla ^-трёп- 08:13, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

See religious conversion talk page

Hi Anonymous Editor, please see my concerns on Talk:Religious conversion. Thanks! Netscott 00:41, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for writing me on my user talk page. I generally tend to agree with you on the non-religious reasons (although An Islamic History of Europe did discuss a number of the things mentioned in that now removed section) but I notice that the other section seems to be relying upon muslim sources. Am I wrong in my estimation of those sources? Netscott 00:47, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

RfA Results and Thanks

Anonymous editor/Archive 9, thank you for supporting me in my recent RfA. Although it did not succeed as no consensus was declared (final: 65/29/7), I know that there is always an opportunity to request adminship again. If and when that day comes, I hope you will once again support me. If at any time I make any mistakes or if you would like to comment on my contributions to Wikipedia, you are more than welcome to do so. Regardless of your religious, cultural, and personal beliefs, I pray that whatever and whoever motivates you in life continues to guide you on the most righteous path. --- joturner 12:32, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

RFA Thanks

Thank you for your support vote on my RFA. The final result was a successful request based on 111 support and 1 oppose. --CBDunkerson 12:44, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

My RfA

Hello Anonymous editor/Archive 9: Thank you for supporting me in my RfA, which passed with a final tally of 77/3/0. I hope I can perform at the standards expected for administrators. If I make any mistakes, or you need anything, please let me know. Prodego talk 01:16, 4 April 2006 (UTC)