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"First Saudi State" Clean-Up

I just saw your edits, Ammar, and I have a few comments:

(1) There was in fact a Constantinople in 1818. The Ottomans still referred to their capital as such in official documents for many centuries after they captured it, and so did the Europeans until 1924. In fact, there are old Ottoman coins that say "Kustantiniyye" on them in beautiful Arabic script :) . So, I think "Constantinople" is more in line with the spirit of that time period than Istanbul. By the way, if you look closely at the two words you'll notice that "Istanbul" is just a corruption of "Constantinople" that occurred over time. In fact, the word "Stamboul" was used to refer to the city even when it was still in the hands of the Greeks. I'm not going to change it back, because Istanbul is also correct; I just wanted to correct this misconception.

(2) I notice that you changed "Shi'ite" to "Shia" and "Najd to "Nejd". Are you saying that it's preferable to use a transliteration that's closer to the original Arabic pronunciation? You also changed "Muhammad" to "Mohammed", even though "Mohammed" is an older usage associated with orientalist and "Muhammad" is the more modern, acceptable spelling. Is there a wikipedia rule on these things that I'm not aware of?

(3) You also changed "'Asir" to "Asir", even though 'Asir is closer to the original Arabic, and the wikipedia page on the subject is called "'Asir" not "Asir".

(4) Finally, you changed "cleanse" to "clean". I changed it back because I think "cleanse" is a better-suited word in the academic context. Slackerlawstudent 01:51, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

hello again friend :)

(1) you right , i just read that , i used to believe it was renamed in 1453 , but i think i was wrong :)

(2) please check this out : Talk:Shia_Islam#Poll_for_clarification , there is no wiki rules about changing such names , but wiki community prefer much more words in commons , for example if you search on google about "USA" and "US of A" you would find more result hits for "USA" in this case we better use it :) , same with thing with the name "Mohammed" :).

"Nejd" is more common in english refrences , english people often change cities names a little as you know :) for example : Cairo (qahira) , Hejaz (hijaz) , Yemen (yaman) , Allepo (halap) ....etc :).

(3) same case of number (2). but u still able to restore it :)

(4) you got that , sorry for my bad :). Ammar 09:27, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. Slackerlawstudent 09:44, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

You welcome boss. Ammar 09:46, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Jeddah

Salam.. I am sorry, I think you are mistaken, I didn't do that edit :)).. i was just scanning through categories on wikipedia and updating them so that they are listed under correct categories, if you take a look at the history of the article you will see that it was another user that made that edit before I updated the category - take a look at his edit [1] and my edit [2].. As for praying at someone's grave, I know that it is against Islam, and not just Wahhabism :) On hindsight, I should have reverted that edit myself.. cheers! Baristarim 21:50, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Jeddah(1)

Thank you for experimenting with the page Jeddah on Wikipedia...PHDrillSergeant...§ 20:23, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

My mistake. I apologize. ~ PHDrillSergeant...§ 20:31, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

I already did. :) ~ PHDrillSergeant...§ 20:38, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Ask an adminstrator. ~ PHDrillSergeant...§ 20:45, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

deeply sorry & thanks for understanding

Hello amr ,first,I would like to acknowledge & appreciate your beautiful work,I really liked the way you creat & developed the article and it really deserving of respect and admiration for you. second,I'm really sorry if my modification annoyed you ,but IMHO I think we should be very cautious if we attempt to writing information in the great wikipedia,if you ask me, I did what I thought it correcting wrong information should be accurate & correct for people, about the university founder I think the AOU founded under umbrella of the Arab Gulf Programme for United Nations Development Organisations (AGFUND),it is the real whole founder and it's not accurate or reseable or even fair to neglect & ignore other parties efforts into the whole organisations and reduce it in one individual,I think the Prince Talal Bin Abdulaziz does not accept this way & does not like to see only his name as the only founder of the AOU away from other contributes.

another thing the e-mail of the university should not be for personal e-mail address in one university branch ,moreover the fact that the university has its own website at http://www.arabou.org/ and this e-mail not mentioned or appear in this site in contact us page or any other page, kindly you can see that I did not change things for personal reasons as you wrongly thought.

when I decided to add information about AOU,it comes firstly to appreciating your efforts by give a hand for you to complete the information & produce a clear image for the university,second as I'm an IT & Computing Level 3 student at this university, and would like to give a correct & free information in the way to make it convenient,fair and without any vandalism makes me proud with the AOU as a one belongs to it.

Again I acknowledge & appreciate your good & beatiful efforts spent to creat & start this article, and I hope I always help & give a hand to produce the best of our aims whenever the time we meet and wherever the field if you needed me. I'm really waiting your reply and co-operation.

sincerely, Islam

Islamsalah 11:34, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Re Salam or Hello

Salam Ammar. Thanks for the message. I see you've been here for a relatively long time but i've never seen you around! I've seen also your last message to Carnildo. Maybe i can give you an answer. User's watchlists are personal (private) and neither users nor admins can check someone else' watchlist → See Privacy of watchlists. As for your second question, that is possible. You only go to user's contributions (i.e. FayssalF contribs) and choose "Upload log" from the fields in that contribs page and then click "Go". -- Szvest Ω ^{Wiki Me Up ®} 09:46, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Canary Islands Computer Museum Engine

http://museum.claunia.com is second revision of the engine.

Third revision is under development.

Regards —Claunia 09:39, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

teach me something :D

hello sir :) how can i see some user's watch list ? and how can i see his uploaded images also ? :) thanx Ammar 08:21, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

You can't see someone's watchlist. To see a list of their uploads, go to Special:Logs, enter the user's name into the "User" field, select "uploads" from the dropdown menu, and click the "Go" button. --Carnildo 00:38, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

OPinion

Hi Ammar, could you please add your opinion to this Poll for clarification? Cheers -- Szvest - ^{Wiki me up ®} 13:17, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

all done sir :) Ammar 22:24, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't entirely understand this...

In this edit you added the {{copypaste}} template, but I couldn't understand your edit summary. Could you explain (I'll see your response fastest on my talk page User_talk:68.39.174.238)? Thanx 68.39.174.238 02:48, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi Ammar. :) I wrote this to 68.39.174.238 because he left me a message about Steve's wiki, and I see that you were the one to leave the copypaste on the article, so I thought I'd leave it on your talk page, too. I can completely understand why you'd think all that information was copied and pasted from somewhere, but it was actually all information I got by digging around, asking friends, asking Steve himself (or being around when Steve was asked certain things), etc. Back when Steve was still pretty new to OLP, I was going to make a fansite for him, but didn't end up doing it... so that's why I went and gathered together a lot of that info (just in case you were wondering haha). Sadly, I can't really cite my sources, because it's impossible to cite a conversation you had with a person in real life.--Nikki4982 06:20, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

already removed :) Ammar 16:15, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, that solves that problem! 68.39.174.238 20:38, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Hello

Salam ALikum Saw the picture u have submitted in the website i wud like to know at which site this pic has been taken

and can u tell me is there anyway to just visit to Durrat Al Arus it wud be great help from you to me if u can tell thanks for ur time Best Regards Salman. 83.101.150.115 09:04, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

wa alikum al salam mr.Salman :) you can find the images on the articles Al Araba 1 , Al-Fahd Infantry fighting vehicle and Al Baik .

about Durrat Al-Arus you can can in there normally if you have a couple (Female) or family , and you can go alone if you own a house there or wanna rent in a hotel , or even if one of your friends own something there :) its not a big deal Ammar 00:37, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Re Request to Lock !

hello sir , i didnt know how to make a request to lock an article , and because you are the best moderator i know i'd request from you to lock the article Saudi Arabia for the vadalism and anon. edits and random edits with silly scrips , :D sooooo what do you think man ? :) thank you Ammar 19:58, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Hello Ammar. Eid mubarak. I have the article on my watchlist and i am dealing w/ chronical vandalism there. The thing is that semi-protection is the last resort especially where blocking multiple anonymous or newly-created accounts individually is not a solution. I don't believe the situation now is out of control and there is no enough activity to warrant a semi-protection for now. Next time, if you need a semi-protection or a protection when i am offline you can make a request at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. Most of the time, an admin would answer your request immediately. -- Szvest - ^{Wiki me up ®} 10:01, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

ok but i think it going to be much worse , i find vandalism like dialy or every 2 days , i'll leave this field for you boss :) and Eid mubarak to you too :) thanx alot Ammar 00:23, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

(Re: )

Hello mr.ammar thanks for greeting me :). ITTIPowEr 01:42, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

You are welcome :) Ammar 10:38, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

(Re: (2) )

I've seen your comment in the history of the Romanian Air Force article. I'm sorry if my informations are incorrect but, as far as I know, in Romanian Air Force are 110 MiG-21 LanceR and 10 An24&An26s....i'm a romanian citizen and I checked this information on the official RoAF site and in some newspaper articles. I'll give this link:http://www.cotidianul.ro/index.php?id=9555&art=25285&cHash=edf53ceaeo .........just check in the 3rd paragraph. thanks 85.186.50.133 18:03, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

hello friend , too many people have noticed your anon. vandalism on military pages , nevermind , post your web source and translate it in a down note Ammar 19:34, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Your First Saudi State rvv

My cleanup was NOT vandalism, and I'm shocked that anyone could think so. Remember, ASSUME GOOD FAITH. This was simply an article I came across and saw that it needed to be cleaned up. The English in the article was mediocre and the information was disjointed. I added virtually nothing, and the only real change I made was to alter the slightly POV assertion regarding the aims of Wahhab. Your "reversion as vandalism" is, I believe, completely unwarranted. CenozoicEra 19:43, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

I have restored the cleanup version I prepared. If you have objections, please specify them here or on the Talk:First_Saudi_State page. Thank you. CenozoicEra 21:28, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Hello friend , thanx for cleanup First_Saudi_State page , but don't you consider extra words like (Wahhabis , Crusades , Zionists....etc) makes your cleanup edit as vandalism ? cheers

Ammar 16:21, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

There is a difference between vandalism and POV. At worst, adding Wahhabism would be POV, not vandalism, and that is certainly not my intention. I understand that the term has some negative connotations, but that is the name of the article that is used in the English Wikipedia. If you think Salafism is a better article to refer to, then by all means change it. You can even delete the link if you think it is not necessary to understanding the article (that's the whole point of Wikipedia). I inserted it only for the purpose of allowing readers to follow the link to understand the aims of Wahhab. As stated, my goal was strictly to improve the readability of the article for readers. Thanks for replying, and cheers to you! CenozoicEra 19:29, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Ok you can keep it sir , as long as no one else revert it hehe :) have a nice day Ammar 07:15, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Graphic of the Army Structure

User:Publicus has more information :) Ammar 08:08, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, Ammar. I have left a note on User:Publicus discussion board

nocladorNoclador 06:29, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

You are welcome :) Ammar 11:40, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

It is not possible to make a graphic of the structure of the Saudi Arabian Army yet, as the information is insuffiecient! Thanks to User:Publicus we have more information now, but there is still too many questions: What are the battalions numbery/names? What is above the brigade level? a division? a corps or directly the general staff? Are the army aviation company, engineer company, field workshop and medical company part of the support battalion or directly under the command of the armored brigades staff? Is the reconnaissance company in the armored brigades a own entity or part of the tank battalion? How many infantry brigades are there? Who commands them? Who commands the artillery battalions, who the airborne brigade, what about the Engineer Force 5 "Saif Allah", the 1st Aviation Battalion, the 7th Target Acquisition Company, the 6th Target Acquisition Battery, the 2nd AT Company- who do they answer too?... and so on and on. So i rather do the Argentinian, Australian and Chilean army next, as they provide ample and detailed information about all their units. noclador 08:37, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

vandalism

hello, my user name is Eurocopter tigre and you sent me a lot of vandalism warnings.I really didn't delete any of that things from that articles. I think somebody is using my user name or my IP to delete things from that articles. Is that posible? If yes, please tell me how can I fix this problem. Thank you,

                                  Eurocopter tigre

Eurocopter tigre 17:10, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

thats possible , so try not to use cyber cafe's computers or other library pc's , several CVUs believe that you are the vandal yourself . Ammar 09:36, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Zimbabwe

Just thought I will contact you seeing you efforts trying to keep the AFZ site current. That is my home country.

I do strongly suspect too that Zimbabwe will be buying the FC-1. The $300m arms deal with China has not been fully explained. Interesting enough, China denied Zimbabwe had ordered any planes and then a few months later Zimbabwe had K-8s. The twelve K-8s will cost under $60m – I know the 2nd batch of 6 was for $4.6m each. Then it is said Zimbabwe also got 100 vehicles, said to be the DF Motors version of the HMVEE. That cannot explain the $240m! I do believe the Zimbabwean have placed a advance order of the FC-1.

Tempest II 17:54, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes don't worry , some Vandals trying to remove information just like that , anyways , please do the following:

(1) , edit the article , make each section for each type of info (Current and future aircraft) is bad discribtion , but Current AirCrafts) section and (Future AirCraft) section is a good one.

(2) , start searching for websources , add each source to it owns aircraft or deal .

(3) , use the discussion page often before adding or removing any information

thanx friend Ammar 09:53, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

vandalism

im not using cyber cafe's computers or other library pcs. Im ONLY using my home computer. My IP is 85.186.50.133 and I never used other IP's to write on Wikipedia. cheers Delivered by User:Eurocopter tigre 14:44, 15 March 2007 (EET)

Request to monitor a dispute

Hi!

I would like to ask you to have a look and monitor the discussion for editing pages to include info and other POVs in these pages Persian Gulf, Persian Gulf naming dispute as many users refuse to include the real translation to Arabic and insist to use their own "transliteration". I would like to ask you to have a look and judge the way of immediate deletion, radical refusal to include any information or other POV, ancient maps as evidences, citiations from ancient history books, references and UN resolutions. Ancient works (like, writings by a Roman historian, medieval maps) are always claimed by some users to be "false" and "incorrect", which is apparent offense of human heritage to achieve geopolitical domination. I cannot believe that there is no bias and political reasons behind this behavior. Thanks -- Ralhazzaa 14:14, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

All done :) , i'll replay on ur page Ammar 14:53, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Google Earth

I have noticed you have uploaded some photos from Google Earth claiming own work. But unless you own the satellites who have taken the original photos you are not allowed to claim own work for your screenshots.

Therefore I am marking these as copyright violations. Please make sure you understand the copyright policies and laws. --|EPO| 15:18, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

i replayed to ur page Ammar 19:30, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Jeddah & Habesh

You say that Jeddah was only part of Hecez (Hijaz), but are you sure this was always the case? I'm the source of most of the information in Habesh, mainly from a paper I wrote, and I have a cited sentence saying that the creation of the province was declared in 1555, including the Ethiopian coast, Suakin, and Jeddah, although the citation may be for a different part of sentence and not necessarily what comprised Habesh. Here's the sentence from my paper:

The final, and perhaps only, “serious naval confrontation in the Indian Ocean” took place in 1554 (86). The next year the provinces of Lahsa (al-Hasa) and Habeş (Jeddah, Suakin, and the Ethiopian coast) were declared, with Özdemir Paşa given the task of conquering Habeş (72).

ዮም | (Yom) | Talk • contribs • Ethiopia 20:39, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

I think you may have misunderstood me, ya akhii. The 1555 date is when the province of Habesh was declared, but Ottoman troops did not attack the area until 1557. Moreover, the comment about the Indian Ocean is because this Red Sea area was a high-traffic area (as it is today) for shipments headed to and from the Indian Ocean and Eastern world, which Jeddah and Massawa were a part of. I also wasn't implying Hejaz was part of Habesh, just the city of Jeddah. If you're sure that this wasn't the case, however, I have no objections. I just wanted to clarify that it was never part of Habesh. — ዮም | (Yom) | Talk • contribs • Ethiopia 23:54, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Re:Request

Ahlan wa sahlan Boss, and thanks for gracing my humble page. Unfortunately, the Saudi-Rashidi Conflict is a big topic that needs a lot of reading and references, and I'm going to be cutting down on my contributions to wikipedia for the next couple of months due to school. The most I can do right now is write something really brief like what we have for First Saudi State. I plan on expanding most of the Saudi history articles next semester anyway. Slacker 08:18, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

No way!

Hijazi Arabic is not the most widely understood Arabic dialect at all. "Even across the Arab world", this is impossible. What you wrote make me think that you think I don't know anything about Arabic or Arabic dialects. Actually, I'm a native speaker of Arabic, I speak Hijazi at a near native level and I know that nobody in the Arab world know about it except from Tash ma Tash. Even Egyptian, Syrian and even Lebanese Arabic are more understood in Arabia than Hijazi (because of the media production). Even the standard modern Saudi dialect is not a pure hijazi dialect. Anyways, you can't just simply revert my edit. I just wanted someone to give a source for the argument. Salam. --Lanov 21:42, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Ok. Ammar (^Talk - ^{Don't Talk}) 10:42, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Re: Notice !

Good day sir , as i see you hold a master in Law , Sir you have changed the word "Saudis" to "wahhabi" in article :Muhammad Ali of Egypt‎.

• such words like (Crusades , Zionists , Wahhabists ...etc ) are considered against the rule WP:Vandalism , as long as they are not neccesary.
• such unsourced edits are against the rule WP:COI .

please give a better reasons or sources or i'd Undo your edit , thanks for co-operation. Ammar (^Talk - ^{Don't Talk}) 23:42, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Hey Ammar,

Thank you for your message, and for noting my legal education.

With direct regard to the issues you raised, given the details about yourself on your user page, I understand why this matter is one of interest to you. However, this fact by itself should guide to make a greater effort to maintain your impartiality when editing such pages. For, it is you rather than I that have made a myriad of changes to a number of pages relating to the term Wahabbi. You have expunged this term completely and replaced it with Saudi. The only amendment I have made regarding these terms is to the Muhammad Ali of Egypt page where I have actually reverted back to the term used on the page before your edit.

Sadly, your interpretation of Wikipedia:Vandalism is erroneous. Crusader, Zionist, Wahabbist, are all legitimate term when used in the appropriate literary and historical sense, and do not imply any particular point of view, and are in no way vandalism. Wahabbi is a term used across the spectrum of historians, in both Arabic and English language publications, which makes its use on Wikipedia not only legitimate but required as most commonly used terms are to be used on Wikipedia. If an individual, owing to his/her own personal, political, national, or religious beliefs attaches some pejorative meaning to this or any term and wishes to substitute it for another, he/she should at least explain this within the edits he/she makes. For example, "Saudi forces (often termed Wahabbi in historical literature)", which would give the reader a fuller understanding. Simply removing it and substituting it for a term far less used in this particular historical context is guaranteed to cause confusion in the reader.

Moreover, the term "Saudi" in this context is not the most appropriate (even in the example I just offered above), and indeed it is you who should be wary of the rule against WP:COI, and against unsourced material.

For my part, I have absolutely no personal vested interest in this issue at all, and my only concerns are maintaining the accuracy of the page in an accessible literary form for the reader whilst complying with Wikipedia's regulations.

Since you are a committed contributor to Wikipedia, I trust you will receive these comments in good faith, and I would be extremely happy to further this discussion with you and to consider any additional points you would like to make. I have found that oftentimes, such exchanges can lead to an improvement in the quality, accuracy, and accessibility of pages when two contributors make the effort to understand the case put forward by the other.

Best wishes.

Louse 08:57, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Question

Hello;

I know you're not the person to ask this, but I looked it up over the internet but couldn't find an answer.

Which day or days of the week is holiday in Saudi Arabia? is Friday holiday? If not, how do the people attend to friday prayers?

And does your answer apply for all the arabic countries?

Thanks; —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kerem Ozcan (talk • contribs) 13:04, 1 May 2007 (UTC).

Thanks for the answer! I've been a little late to thank but anyway :) Kerem Özcan 21:01, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Your question to the Version 1.0 Editorial Team

You indicated at Wikipedia talk:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Work via Wikiprojects#SERIOUS TERRIBLE QUESTION :S that you wanted to have a copy of the assessment statistics of a project with which you are involved. Please contact me directly and specify which project you are describing so that I can set up the assessment requirements for it. Thank you. John Carter 16:13, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Arabic Wikipedia

Why you aren't you contributing in the Arabic Wikipedia?--The Joke النكتة‎ 03:57, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

I have replied on my talk page.--The Joke النكتة‎ 10:32, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Replied on my talk page.--The Joke النكتة‎ 18:22, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Replayed on your talk page Ammar (^Talk - ^{Don't Talk}) 00:47, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Joining the team

I would have loved to but I don't know much about the country. My interest in Wahhabism topic was purely based on historical context and usage.Abureem 13:20, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Replayed on your talk page Ammar (^Talk - ^{Don't Talk}) 00:47, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Baloot

9a7 3aleek ya theeb :P,, walla article ba6al ;),, akeed min el riyadh ? --mo-- (^Talk | _#info | ) 15:47, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

shukran shukran i7mmm i7m :D , la 6al 3omrak min Jeddah :) Ammar (^Talk - ^{Don't Talk}) 16:24, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

7ayyah allah ahl jeddah ;),, ana 6al 3mrk min el riyadh bs da2man aroo7 jeddah 3nd 3yal 3ammi,,, jeddah '3eer walla '3eer yaboya :P --mo-- (^Talk | _#info | ) 16:26, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

ya hala wallah yabo :D eshbak shelt al tasmeyat 7ag al warag ? "lal" , "kalah" , "shawkat" , "sherya" :D :D :D amma men jed 3on9oriyah :D hahahahahaha Ammar (^Talk - ^{Don't Talk}) 16:35, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

lol,, sorry a5ooy bdoon za3al bs la2ana fe jedda ygolon shy o fe el riyadh ygolon shy o fel shargya ygolon shy,, ya3ni kl makan el warag ysmoona '3eer,, 7enna 3ndna fel riyadh nsmeeha: Spades= سبيت, Hearts= هاص, Clubs= شيريا, Diamonds= ديمن ... fe amakn ysmoon el sheerya (كلفس) o fe ashyaa2 ktheeera,, anaa agool 5aleeha fe lo'3a kl el nas tf'hamha a7sn wela esh rayk --mo-- (^Talk | _#info | ) 16:40, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Replayed on your talk page Ammar (^Talk - ^{Don't Talk}) 00:45, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

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Abdullah O. Nasseef

Shukran! That's wonderful, thank you so much! I have added some information to it, and linked it in different places. Thank you! Chris 19:25, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Replayed on your talk page Ammar (^Talk - ^{Don't Talk}) 00:46, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Abu al-Walid

Hey Ammar, thanks for correcting the mistakes in the Arabic script in the Abu al-Walid entry. I did however revert your other edit and I beleive I should inform you of this. You listed al-Walid under Saudi Arabian terrorists (you also forgot to add his last name so he was listed under 'A'), I don't know if you actually read the article but if you wonder why I reverted that part of your edit, read Involvement in terrorism. I hope you will agree. Greetings,

Forrest ^{UNSIGNED -- ForrestSjap 06:32, 18 June 2007}

replayed on your take page :) Ammar (^Talk - ^{Don't Talk}) 07:39, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Ok thanks for understanding. I noticed you did the same with the entry about Khattab, I think he should be placed back in the original category as well for the same reasons. Maybe it isn't a bad idea to create a new subcat for Saudi Arabian militants? Let me know what you think about it. ForrestSjap 09:59, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Replayed on your talk page Ammar (^Talk - ^{Don't Talk}) 00:46, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Please explain more fully

You added the category Category:Saudi Arabian terrorists to Sultan_Sari_Sayel_Al_Anazi.

Surely he is merely an alleged terrorist? He has, after all, denied the allegations.

Did you create this category?

Cheers! Geo Swan 00:10, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Replayed on your talk page Ammar (^Talk - ^{Don't Talk}) 00:45, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Award

Shukran Jazilan Ammar, I really appreciate it. You deserve a ton of barnstars yourself. Keep it up. -- Slacker 07:30, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Todays updates

I will be extremely happy to delete all the updates i made , to watch all the world defence news yourself, and to fix them yourself. ^{UNSIGNED -- 85.74.132.104 18:08, 1 July 2007}

thats the Best thing you can do as long as you dont have sources, and Also please dont forget to sign your messages by typing four tildes like this : ~~~~ Ammar (^Talk - ^{Don't Talk}) 18:27, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

At your reply at the Saudi Air Force your wrote wrong the word ,,accident,,. i dont accept wrongs . when you learn to write correct i will tell you my name. so by the way all the infos i give for wikipedia are totally true. i am a fun of wikipedia. i take , i give . is not easy to check to find all the archives i have, to write down source about every info. i need days and people to help me . I have perfect memory and i remember every info i write . trust me or not trust me. whatever you want. about the accident of the Saudi SA-365 ,felt into sea . it was close to a Saudi frigate . it was fatal accident. at the Hawks one of them belong to the Saudi Acro team. the 4 turkish planes really lost . the KT-1 really choosen few days ago. if you want very specific infos and dates i try to find them in my archive to write them down after few days. ^{UNSIGNED -- 85.74.132.104 20:20, 1 July 2007}

And you just wrote Fun which i think it should be Fan, And you wrote I don't accept wrongs which i also think it should be I don't accept mistakes . And again you forgot to sign your messages with the 4 tildes (~~~~) . anyways , whenever you find web-sources (that do not belong to free webpages) , you can post whatever you want in such sensitive information. Ammar (^Talk - ^{Don't Talk}) 07:36, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes . i have to admitt that your english are much better than my english. O.K i ll try to post the source of every new information. if you want something to know about something for Armed Forces of any country of the World , you are invite to ask. John ,Athens Greece 3 July 2007 ^{UNSIGNED -- 85.74.132.104 13:14, 3 July 2007}

Thanx John , it's not about my interests only , but thrust me if i didn't revert your edits someone else will do . wikipedia is very strict about references . i know its boring but thats the rules man :) Ammar (^Talk - ^{Don't Talk}) 16:26, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Okay.. I will help

Okay I will help in the Project --Yu5uF 21:03, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

comment

Please note.

Ah, I see I wrote to you about adding guys to this category already.

I continue to think adding any Guantanamo captive to this category, who haven't faced credible charges of terrorism, is a huge mistake. If you check the allegations against them, you will see most of the Guantanamo captives who have been added to this category didn't even face allegations of terrorism during their Combatant Status Review Tribunal.

I'll meet you part way. I'll remove this category from hald the inappropriately placed articles, and let you remove the other half. Agreed?

Cheers! Geo Swan 15:11, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Replayed on discussion page Ammar (^Talk - ^{Don't Talk}) 15:24, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Jeddah(2)

Ammar, you did a nice job rewriting the Jeddah article. It looks and reads much better now. --NormanEinstein 17:39, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Assessment for King Abdulaziz University

Hi there, I noticed you undid my Start-class assessment of King Abdulaziz University (Talk). I put my rationale for rating it as such on the article's talk page. Danelo 20:12, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Image:Jeddah House.jpg

Sorry about taking so long to respond. No, I wouldn't consider it a free image, unless we know exactly what the creator of the photo thinks. Just because it was on a public forum doesn't mean it is free. See Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission for how to ask for permission for images from other people. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 18:26, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks boss , i was justtrying to prove it to someone. Ammar (^Talk - ^{Don't Talk}) 19:48, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Asked him myself as well [3], so we'll both see. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 20:26, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Ok, since you seem to have a better idea of the specific IDs used (and IP addresses), why don't you start by filing a checkuser request? I'll start on listing the most blatant images for deletion. If the checkuser confirms this, I'll post a note on admin noticeboard to see what other admins want to do. -- 18:39, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

This is a real long story , i'll see what i can do. Ammar (^Talk - ^{Don't Talk}) 19:40, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

req(1)

87.101.240.6 is your ISP's proxy server, so unfortunately you'll be autoblocked whenever a vandal is too. --  Netsnipe  ►  05:07, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Salam

Look Ammar I truly apologise if i have been childish or daft towards you. I have to admit, YES, I have been wasting my time on childish remarks and comments, but I truly am sorry.

Unites 16:21, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

About translation

I'd like to see the article evolution translated into other languages. How do you think it would go down though, if it were translated into say Arabic or Turkish? I'm unable to speak those languages, but I doubt the page would survive long before it became overun with the prevailing political and religious views of the countries from which the editors hail. Do you think it would be worth a try? Richard001 07:40, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Replayed on ur talk page.Ammar (^Talk - ^{Don't Talk}) 18:44, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Wiki Project

Thanks Ammar, I mainly edit Ancient Arab articles (I am limited regarding modern Saudi articles). I am hoping the Saudi wiki project will fix Arab articles since there is no Arab wiki project.

Ancient Arabs

should remain a seperate article from preIslamic Arabia, Geographical Arabia didn't include most of Amalik, Edomi, Midian and the nations that were influenced/mixed with ancient Arabs in the North.

I can add to pre-Islamic Arabia if you want me to? As of now this article is among the Ethnic-Arab identity articles, along with Qahtani and Adnani Arabs. opposed to the broader cultural Arab term found in the main Arab article.--Skatewalk 02:44, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Anti Arab spamming in the Ancient history of Yemen.

Hey, We have a serious Anti-Arab spamming problem in the Ancient history of Yemen. Its done by a very persistent Yom Afrocentric, mainly denying the Arab past of Yemen (Qahtan) and instead starting the history of Yemen article with African culture additions (putting it as the first section of Ancient History of Yemen) and in the sam etime deleting anything related to Qahtan! and denying that Qahtan existed as an ancient tribe and forfather of Saba'a and South Arabs as mentioned by AlHmadani! and he just simply pushed his african article with a dubious link about an african jar found in Tihama which he claims is the evidence of the South Arab civilization!. The Yom is simply taking advantage of the Yemeni absence from the internet (due to Qat) to create a Yemeni wiki project made up by his sock puppet accounts and its very hard to have even basic information about the Arab past of Yemen in the article Ancient history of Yemen. I know you are busy, but please give sme though becase the Arabness of Yemen touches the Whole history of the Arabs

A glimpse of Yom AntiArab Agenda: Just because we don't have evidence of a non-Semitic language there doesn't mean one never existed. We don't haev any evidence of a non-Niger-Congo language existing in Gambia, but there must have been some, since we are rather certain that Niger-Congo languages did not originate there. Similarly, we know that Afro-Asiatic did not originate in Yemen, so there must have been some language spoken there (which cannot have been Semitic, a sub-group of Afro-Asiatic) before the spread of that language family to Yemen. Evidence of absence is not absence of evidence. As for Yemen being Arab, that it is (although the Mahra and related groups might not be considered so by all), but this does not mean that we have evidence of Qahtanites in Yemen!The talk page. --Skatewalk 02:50, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Ancient Arabs

Lets keep "Ancient Arabia" for the far history of Arabia . and "Pre-Islamic Arabia" for the short period before the appearance of Islam (Jahiliyah Period). Agree ? Ammar (Talk - Don't Talk) 07:12, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi ammar thats what I am trying to do, but the article is being merged by an "Assyrianist" who doesn't want to mention that the Akkadians came from Arabia, although it is in the official mesopotamia website[4](its a formidable website (Washington State University official study) so I am not quoting Arabist or Islamic websites! And its the first website that pops up when you google search "Akkadians" [5] so I am not cherry picking. that along with the shared language between East Yemenites/Omanis (eastern South Semitic) and the Eastern Semitic language confirming shared origin somewhere in Arabia.

I will revert the article, so if you can protect from constant vandalizing it will be much easier for me to refine. And Ancient Arabs should go between 3000BC and the Hellenic invasion of the Mideast 330BC. Just thats a thought as of now I am trying to refine the article quality. --Skatewalk 09:12, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Update on Ancient Arabs

The Vandal already semi-blocked the Ancient Arabs article. I created a new article Ancient Arab tribes whenever the Vnadal problem is fixed it can be merged into Ancient Arabs. I will make sure I fix this article this whole month, because its a very important part of Arab history. --Skatewalk 14:21, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

• references, actually no! I don't know how to make them appear as notes. I will try to look at articles with notes and get with the system! thanks = ) --Skatewalk 20:18, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

• Hi Ammar,

I fixed the references in the article, take a look at it. It still needs more work but as of now do you think it can be merged with the proper articles? Ancient Arabia (they have ottoman empire and Aladdin on the Ancient Arab article!). Ancient Arabs, Ancient Arabia, Ancient Arab tribes should be all merged to this article. I am not an expert on Wikipedia rules, but when is the semi-protect on Ancient Arabs merged to Pre Islamic Arabia by (Elias) & sock puppet (Dbachmann) going to expire and can the Saudi Wiki project monitor the article? --Skatewalk 10:13, 12 August 2007 (UTC)