User talk:Amire80/Archive 2006

Send More Paramedics

Hello. I do not remember editing the Send More Paramedics page. I don't even know what it is about. My friend gets on my Wikipedia so maybe she knows something about it. Sorry for any trouble. TearAwayTheFunerealDress 15:11, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Связь "Pam Pam" не работает

Здравствуйте, Амир. Я люблю твою страницу, но эта связь не работает. Извините за мой русский, если есть ошибки. Waynem 22:14, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Спасибо! Этот сайт иногда работает, а иногда нет. Там нет ничего особенного - просто ресторан, но очень вкусный :) Если приедешь когда-нибудь в Тель-Авив, советую там пообедать.

По-русски ты пишешь вполне хорошо, только одно маленькое замечание: "Здравствуйте" говорят тому, к кому обращаются на "вы". То есть надо писать "Здравствуйте, Амир. Я люблю вашу страницу" или "Здравствуй, Амир. Я люблю твою страницу". Ко мне вполне можно обращаться на "ты" :) --Amir E. Aharoni 07:49, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Translation request

Would you be able & willing to translate my user page into Russian and Hebrew for me? Nicholas 13:32, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Tricky

Unfortunately, I can't remember! It had something about putting the journalist in a boot of a car and shooting him.

Altay/Altai

Hi there! Just a heads up—please be careful when replacing "Altai" with "Altay". This edit, for example, replaced spelling in the category name, breaking the link as a result. I fixed it, but please review the edits you make. Thanks.—Ëzhiki (ërinacëus amurënsis) • (yo?); 20:38, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Sorry about that. Thanks for the fix. I'm learning AWP and i may make some mistakes. I promise to be careful.

The duality of Altay/Altai is generally dangerous - shouldn't the spelling be completely unified to one of the versions?--Amir E. Aharoni 21:11, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

It is dangerous, but we are already in the "big mess" stage, unfortunately. Problem is, both versions are used. Not only it is an enormous amount of work to unify the spellings everywhere (think hundreds of articles, backlinks, lists, cats, references, redirects from alternate spellings, etc., etc.), it's more of a problem to get everyone to agree as to which spelling to use as primary. If you wish to handle that, by all means feel free—that's one little project that can eat up a month or six. I sure as hell ain't willing to do it. My only problems with your edit was that it linked Altai Republic via a redirect page (not a big deal, admittedly) and that it broke the category reference (big deal). Other than that, I have no other complaints. See you around and good luck with that AWP thing!—Ëzhiki (ërinacëus amurënsis) • (yo?); 21:37, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

AWP rocks, but one should be careful. I love its regular expression support.

And yes, I know that messing up categories is baaaad.

I might try to do the Altay thing - I've done something like this about Belarus/Byelorussia/Belarussia/etc. and no one complained. Do you have any idea where should i ask the community about the preferred spelling - except the talk pages of articles that have Altay/Altai in their names?--Amir E. Aharoni 21:43, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

For starters, try collecting a bunch of articles with Altay/Altai in their titles (Altay language, Altai Republic, Altai Krai, Altay Mountains, etc.), list them at WP:RM explaining what your motivation is, and then go from there. You may want to check the spellings used in major encyclopedias and review google hits to support your point of view. Hope this helps.—Ëzhiki (ërinacëus amurënsis) • (yo?); 22:18, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Just a question

I've just a question about the Hebrew language, If I take A-LEF, I put for example "patah" the producted sound will be "alefa" or not? he particular voyell hatafim (prononce è) the final producted sound, will be "alefè"? thanks for all--Jonathaneo 08:19, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Alef is essentially nothing, a placeholder. Alef becomes whatever "nikud" you put on it: If you put patah on Alef, then it's "a".

Hataf-patah and Hataf-segol are the same as regular Patah and Segol in modern Hebrew - "a" and "e" ("è", if you're French). "Hataf-kamatz" is "o" (regular Kamatz is "a").

So, Alef + Hataf-patah = "a". For example, my name is Amir and it's written: אָמִיר. The vowel in Alef is Kamatz, which is pronounced "a", just like Patah. The word "amir" means "tree-top"; the plural "tree-tops" will be "amirim" - אֲמִירִים. For historical reasons the Kamatz changes into Hataf-patah, but it is pronounced just the same - "a".

Hope it helps.--Amir E. Aharoni 11:13, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

AfD

I saw you were monitoring the Ohad Shem-Tov page, which I have proposed to be deleted, feel free to join in the debate here! C mon 21:06, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

bleh

thanks for catching my typo in my russian for Dagestan. :-p Tomer^talk 01:46, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Shalom!

Yo man ,what's up..? I serverd with you in Mamdas-Maa't under MitHam...I still recall your wierdness regarding languages...seems liek you picked that up for trade now..:)

If I recall correctly you were a system VMS man ,no? Anyway's here's a pic of me if you're having a hardtime... Itay Hazan [1]. --Procrastinating@^talk2me 16:12, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

I certainly remember.

So why everyone hates you at the heb wiki? I don't have the nerves to follow all those stupid fights about trolls. Tell me your side, you know i don't mind.--Amir E. Aharoni 20:16, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

They dont "hate" - "me", they hate everybody who does not conform to their strict hegmony. They "hate"/kick/block users for eternity about once a week(usually Gilgamsh) for reasons such as "I dont like him" (exact quote), only very few of "us" did anything against it ,such as the movement for improvement of wikipedia if you recall ,those who did ask for clearification are considered "arm and dangerous".

The rationality underlying these emotions is never addressed even when asked directly (see Asbl recent relentness queries to all involed in his case and how they were bluntly ignored).

If I reecall correctly my inital mistake was to ask for a vote on some admin's action I didnt agree upon. then all hell broke loose. Then in a one man's caprise and against the judgement of the rest of the cummunity, Like so many others, the user gets blocked without a notice, his user page is cleared and any attempts of cummunications are blocked.(See Mr.X 's case)

Again ,these kind of events are VERY frequent, about once a week actually. Just check Gilgmaeshes talk page reverts randomally. He actually blocked his own sysop removal status talk page from editing while the vote was underway.(and naturaly blocked potential voters who did not preagree on their vote's..)

This kind of behaviour was'nt tolerated by many who left. These kind of movements spun the selves up about once each 6 months. Sometimes every shred of evidence to their very existence is erased after they fail.

All of this, without even mentioning "Kavod" based reverts that are factualyl incorrect, and the inability to politely disagree with the rullers.--Procrastinating@^talk2me 17:22, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Whatever.

Does this all give you a right to WRITE A FUCKING SPACE BEFORE A COMMA??????????

You don't deserve no kavod if you don't use a bloody spellchecker.

(It's just a joke between friends, but seriously - you are very consistent in writing a space before a comma and it's ugly and annoying.)--Amir E. Aharoni 17:29, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Whatever.In your Last things come First way of scrutinizing important things, feel free to put a notice/wrath of Aharoni warning, so I won't be tempted to my sinfull ways again.

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I took the liberty to improve your user page

Hi, i took the liberty to improve your user page a little bit.

If you don't agree to my edits, please revert it and accept my apologies. --Amir E. Aharoni 17:35, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi

I appreciate your concern about my page. Regarding my grandfather, he arrived here in New York on October 29, 1886 as a child of 11. His father, had just finished his service in the Kaisers Army and wanted to get the dust of Europe off his boots. At that time his birthplace was named Christburg not Dziergon.--Woogie10w 17:48, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Vadim Erlikman

Rather than tinker with my user page I would really appreciate if you could pick up the Vadim Erlikman book that I cite and render your opinion. The man has a lot of data that is unavailable to English language readers, the good thing is that he is a critical observer not a party hack--Woogie10w 18:35, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Erlikman

Hi again,

I'll remember this name in case i need a reference in the future, but actually i am not particularly interested in the little details of the war - i'm a linguist and not an historian. Nevertheless i strongly respect your attention to detail and commitment to providing sources and well-formatted references. Wikipedia really needs more editors like you.

As for the Christburg link - i just changed the internal formatting, but left the link intact, so it still showed up as Christburg. But again, it is your userpage and you are free to edit it as you wish; i apologize if my edit hurt you. --Amir E. Aharoni 19:08, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

I appreciate your cleanup work. You may wonder why I am doing this work. The reason is simple, the facts need to be known about what happened in the grim days of WW2. Too many young people in the US are Holocaust deniers, skeptics or just plain cynics. My goal is to present the facts with reliable sources that can be verified. The Wikipedia page on WW2 Casualties is at the top of the list when you do a Dogpile search on "world war 2 deaths" or "world war 2 casualties" This gives me a great deal of satisfaction. Thanks again, Amire--Woogie10w 22:45, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Katowice

Can you translate article http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katowice to rmy.wiki and he.wiki? It's the short article about one of biggest polish cities. Thanks in advance.

greetings, pl:Wikipedysta:Herr Kriss, 12:19, 10 maja 2006 (CEST)

I'll try to translate to Hebrew. I don't really know the Romani language, i just have an account at rmy.wiki ... --Amir E. Aharoni 11:47, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Gruzia vs Georgia

As per your question for Kober on the name of Georgia in Hebrew, here is recent news from Georgian government to Israeli asking them for name change. This news peace is in Russian unfortunately:

Грузия просит Израиль официально называть её Георгией

Представитель Грузии обратился в МИД Израиля с просьбой изменить и отныне использовать для обозначения этого государства названия «Георгия», как это уже заведено. В Израиле привыкли употреблять название «Грузия» в частности из-за того, что им пользуются выходцы из СССР.

Thanks. Noxchi Borz 18:03, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks.

Luckily, Russian is my mother tongue :)

Can you provide a source for this? --Amir E. Aharoni 18:55, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Turkmenbashi

Shalom, I hope you're joking when you say that Turkmenbashi is the greatest leader of all time.....blech......

No way! How can i joke about Serdar Saparmyrat Türkmenbaşy? You should show more respect when you're talking about the great president of Independent Neutral Turkmenistan and the author of Ruhnama, the holy book of Turkmen soul and a spiritual guide for the Golden Age of the Turkmen people! --16:59, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Respect? For Niyazov? When he does something to deserve it, OK. As long as he's destroying people's lives, destroying infrastructure, gutting Turkmen culture and persecuting dissidents, I reserve the right to be disrespectful. K. Lastochka 22:46, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

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13. Use पूर्णविराम ( । ) instead of a period (.) for ending statements. The पूर्णविराम, semicolon, colon and dash (but not comma) must come after one space after the word to prevent ambiguity. Use the international form of the Hindu-Arabic numerals (1,2,3 instead of १,२,३), as used by the Constitution and the Government of India (even for Hindi). There is no need to use the हलन्त at the end of Sanskrit words wherever it occurs. Hence, prefer: संसद over संसद्; अथर्वन over अथर्वन्. Use the proper quotation marks “” from the Insert toolbox, not "". Write dates as 2 मई 2006 (ईसवी or ईसापूर्व). Write time as 3:45 pm. Separate common suffix-words like शास्त्र, विज्ञान, ज्ञान with a hyphen. Thus: रसायन-शास्त्र. For most others, leave both the words of the noun-cluster free. Combine them into one word only if it is very common to do so. Thus: सामवेद.
14. The use of ज़ for the en:voiced alveolar fricative (/z/, as in zoo, rose) is fundamentally wrong. Its nearest counterpart is the en:voiceless alveolar fricative /s/ (as in sea), and not Hindi ज (en:voiced palatal plosive). Hence, it is suggested and recommended that for the sound /z/, whether it comes in English (etc.) spellings (z) for while pronunciation otherwise, should be transcribed as स़ (स with a dot below, available in the Insert toolbox). Hence: Reason रीस़न, not रीज़न ; Roses रोस़ेस़, not रोज़ेज़. But common Hindi words borrowed from Persian/Arabic (so-called Urdu words) are allowed to continue with ज़ spelling. Thus: ज़रा, नज़र, तर्ज़. The en:voiced postalveolar fricative (/ʒ/ as in treasure), inexistent in Hindi, can similarly be transcribed with श़. Thus: treasure ट्रॅश़र. The nukta (dot) available in the Insert toolbox can be combined with various consonants to suggest a more exact phonetic devanagari rendering of foreign sounds. E.g., since phonetically, English Think and this are not equal to थिंक and दिस, a better transcription could be थ़िंक and द़िस. Please take care of the dot below in so-called Urdu words, otherwise the Hindi spelling is deemed incorrect.
15. For the following English vowels met, mate, mat, transcribe as मॅट (short vowel), मेट (not मेइट), मैट (not मॅट, as popular in Marathi). However in contemporary Hindi and here, it is acceptable to use ए instead of ऍ. Thus: अमेरिका is more popular than अमॅरिका. For cot, coat, caught, transcribe as कॉट, कोट, कॉट (not कौट). Transcribe English /t/ and /d/ as ट and ड.
16. Use half-न before त, थ, द, ध, न, instead of anuswaar अं. Use half-म before प, फ, ब, भ, म. Use the anuswaar before all the rest of the consonants (not half-ङ, ञ, ण). If the मात्रा is not above the alphabet, use chandra-bindu, but only for nasalization. Thus: अन्दर, not अंदर ; अन्त, not अंत ; हिन्दी, not हिंदी ; सम्भव, not संभव ; पंचमी, not पञ्चमी ; अंडा, not अण्डा ; कंठ, not कण्ठ ; लैंड, not लैण्ड ; आँख, not आंख. However, both forms are acceptable in contemporary Hindi as well as here; the prec. are just recommendations.
17. When proceded by another vowel, use the pure vowels instead of य (unless the य is clearly articulated while pronouncing). Thus : जाएँ, not जायें (not जावें) ; आएगा, not आयेगा . However, both forms are acceptable in contemporary Hindi as well as here.
18. Please pay careful attention to the masculine/feminine gender (and singular/plural) in adjectives and verbs, else the sentence becomes ungrammatical.

For more information/suggestions/criticisms, please contact any one of the administrators of Hindi wiki here, preferably en:User:Magicalsaumy.

This page can also be found here.

Thank you,

Cygnus_hansa 23:46, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Sorry - I don't know any Devanagari and Hindi and i only make very minor interwiki fixes. But thanks for the invitation. I'm curious about foreign languages, so it was interesting to read it.

Shalom

Thank you for taking the time to post the award. I am E mailing you a plate of Hummus from my favorite Greek restaurant in Astoria Queens.--Woogie10w 16:25, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Duklja

Well, considering that the modern Serbian characters were created in the 17th/18th century... And look when was Doclea (7th-13th century). :) --HolyRomanEmperor 18:42, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Central Asia

WikiProject Central Asia has finally been created! If you're interested, please consider joining us. Aelfthrytha 21:56, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Gruzija vs Georgia in Hebrew

By David Horovitz Jerusalem Post The government of Georgia has asked Israel to stop referring to the country as "Gruzia," the Russian pronunciation of its name that has crept into official use in recent years amid the influx of immigrants from the Former Soviet Union, Georgian Ambassador to Israel Lasha Zhvania said on Tuesday. Instead, Zhvania told The Jerusalem Post, it wants Israel to revert to the official Hebrew name - "Georgia" with a hard first and second "g" and a stress on the "or" - which was commonly used until the 1980s.

The unusual request was made to Mark Sofer, the Foreign Ministry deputy director-general who visited Georgia last week. Israeli diplomatic sources said the ministry would indeed now strive to switch "Gruzia" for "Georgia" in official correspondence, but it was explained to the Georgians that "Gruzia" had now entered the Hebrew vernacular and would be hard to oust from everyday usage.

Official Georgian displeasure at the use of a Russian pronunciation of its name here mirrors a much wider and more substantive Georgian discontent with Russia, and vice versa, as evidenced by trade frictions between the two nations and the start of processes under which Georgia is to both reassess the benefits of its continued membership in the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS) and move toward hoped-for EU membership.

This week, under the terms of a treaty signed last year, Russia has begun to remove military bases from its southern neighbor as part of an internationally backed process under which Georgia is increasingly asserting its independence.

At the same time, the ambassador said, Russia had barred key wine and mineral water imports from Georgia, together worth some $90 million per year - a key market. He charged that this was a breach of CIS regulations, which prohibit member nations from taking measures that economically damage other member states.

"If there were a referendum," Zhvania said, "the majority of Georgians would vote to leave the CIS."

He stressed that no such referendum was planned, but that the Georgian government would shortly initiate a parliamentary discussion on "whether it is economically worth it for Georgia to stay in the CIS or leave." There would be no problem for Georgia to maintain its trade with other CIS nations via bilateral agreements outside that forum, he said.

Meanwhile, Georgia has begun a three-year action plan designed to harmonize its legislation with that of the EU ahead of a hoped-for move toward EU membership. "Our country has a European direction," said Zhvania. "Our society sees our historic place as being in Europe."

Russia, he noted, was "our neighbor, and we raise our hand in friendship and partnership with it. But the response is often inadequate."

On May 26, Georgia is to mark the 15th anniversary of its independence. The date, he noted, also marks 88 years of independence from the Russian Empire.

About 100,000 Jews of Georgian origin live in Israel today, with most of the community having left in the 1970s. A new Georgian government effort to encourage bilateral tourism was starting to bear fruit, with two flights now plying the route each week, up from one last year, said Zhvania, who is himself Jewish and a Hebrew speaker.•

Hebrew Names

Shalom Aleichum Amire! I was just wondering, can you tell me what is my name in Hebrew, I began to be intersted in the Palestine region and the Hebrew language, and I was just asking can you translate my name which is Abdullah Geelah in Hebrew, I would be extremely grateful if you do!!! Abdullah Geelah 16:47, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Very Amire, I really apreciate it! Can you just put "`Eved-Elohim" (עבד-אלוהים) next to "Abdullah" in Hebrew and can you put my name in Hebrew but with Niqqud (I would be extremely grateful if you do) on my Userpage. If you Know another language please translate it and post it on my userpage. Thanks again Amire! Abdullah Geelah 17:35, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Once Again! Thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanks!!! Abdullah Geelah 19:26, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Can you help me!! Do you know the section in my userpage with all the different lanhuage can you help me to put it in another page headlined My name in different languages' and can you put a hyperlink from my userpage to the other page because my userpage is becoming really BIG! Abdullah Geelah 18:44, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Turkmenistan

Hello Amire. You are right, it is pretty long for a stub article, but I sometimes tag articles this way if they mostly constitute a list, and I was hoping to find a little more information about why and how this shift was introduced, whether it generated controversy domestically, and about if the average Turkmen actually follow the new system or he / she still use the old system. (A second reason is that WP:WSS has approved stub templates for all the other countries in Central Asia, so I am trying to find enough material to also create a separate "Turkmenistan-stub". Since I am still missing around 10 articles on my list to reach our normal threshold of 60 stub articles to create a new template, I might have bent the definition of a stub a little on this article.) :) Happy editing. Valentinian ^(talk) 09:09, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Iggy Pop-Jewish?

Maybe he is Jewish, but I'm sure, that he is of Polish origin. He's a Polish-American Jew http://imdb.com/name/nm0006563/bio "Is of mostly Polish heritage." :) Kowalmistrz 19:59, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

I can definitively answer that Iggy Pop is not Jewish at all (according to Jewhoo, which is now offline, but was a very reliable source). However, I doubt that he is Polish either, considering the IMDB is an incredibly unreliable source. Mad Jack 17:32, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

And here is your answer. Thanks to this book bio [2] - Iggy Pop is Irish and English on his father's side (his father was adopted by a Swedish-American family, hence the name) and Danish and Norwegian on his mother's. Cheers... Mad Jack 17:35, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Amire

Shalom! Please, support our request at: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages (Belarusian - Orthography Revision of 1959). Thank you! -- 82.209.xx.xx 10:03, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Da blin, dzielać vam sztol necza? Pamahli b bratanam bielarusam. Vot ja szcza kak vaźmu da papraszu vikipedziu vot ecim svaim sobstvienym pravapisam - Amirkoj! Razgildziai. --Amir E. Aharoni 11:07, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Rydel

Hey, per your message at Deceased Wikipedians, I added Rydel to Missing Wikipedians. I copied your statement there as well, if you want to add anything there, please do. I hope he comes through. Regards, --Cúchullain ^t/c 18:06, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Scots barnstar

Thanks, Amir. I don't know what I've done to deserve it but it's nice to get one anyway. Cheers -- Derek Ross | Talk 18:48, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Not much, except being a tireless editor of Soctland-related articles :)

I am mostly curious about the Scots language article, which i also translated to Hebrew, but i've seen that you've done many more. --Amir E. Aharoni 19:32, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

my user page

hi Amir, what do you think about my user page? User:Ifeldman84 --Ifeldman84 18:51, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Way too much userboxes.

When i've got time, i'll try to fix it for you if you don't mind. --Amir E. Aharoni 11:06, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

NO please stop it! it is not funny. i am not pleased with what you have done!--Ifeldman84 21:04, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

i just wanted to know what do you think, and if you like some of the userboxes you are most wellcome to use them. but dont change my page משחיט! --Ifeldman84 21:04, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

I didn't delete any of your boxes, i just improved their format, because it was unreadable.

Have it any way you want it. --Amir E. Aharoni 06:35, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

amir, are you crazy? no ukrainian speakers in israel? you wrote that you know some hungarian/polish/german speakers in israel. but it doesnt mean that they are 1% of the population! they have to be ""Significant communities in..."" and unfortunately there are no such communities. [3] STOP changing it!--Ifeldman84 19:07, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Disambiguation Talk Request

This is a form message being sent to all WikiProject Disambiguation participants. I recently left a proposed banner idea on the WikiProject Disambiguation talk page and I would appreciate any input you could provide. Before it can be approved or denied, I would prefer a lot of feedback from multiple participants in the project. So if you have the time please join in the discussion to help improve the WikiProject. Keep up the good work in link repair and thanks for your time. Nehrams2020 22:30, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Editing Userpages

Good looking out with the mispelings (heh) on my user page.Mikelj 01:43, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome. --Amir E. Aharoni 12:04, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Zhuang language

Shalom Amire,

I notice that you made some commments about references to some changes I made to the Zhuang language page to do with tone numbers. Noting that you mother tongue is Russian you should be in a better position than myself to comment on the Cyrillic based script used for Zhuang, and how many of the letters used are Cryllic, and how many are unique to Zhuang.

I have posted a fuller reply on User talk:Babelfisch.

Please delete this message when it is no longer useful and just taking up space.

Johnkn63 02:33, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

As to the language Zhuang it is still spoken by over 10 million people - a long way from being extinct. Chinese however is the language used in the classroom. The romanized form is used for officail documents, it is one of the five officail languages of China and so all national laws must be translated in this. The writing system using Chinese characters has never been standardised, and is mainly used for writing Zhaung follk songs. Children are often raised by grand-parents, and so Zhuang is still to the mother tongue for most Zhuang children to this day. Johnkn63 03:18, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

I was unable to post this on Babalfisch's talk page -- so I will put it here as I know he will look here

Hi again

Re the ancient Zhaung dictionary 'contains 4,900 characters and more than 10,000 variants' more accurate would be 'has 4,900 enteries, and contains more than 10,000 different characters in all' (This is the first sentance of the introduction to the dictionary it says 10,700 and 4918.) Using an approximation here is good as neither of these figures is accurate, especially the 10,700 -- there may not even be 10,000 different characters in the dictionary -- unless one adds in the characters included in the example sentances but not in the entries themselves.

Re the article itself it would be good if we could agree on a wording that we are both happy with, it would not be productive for things to be changed back and forth again and again. I am more than happy to drop the comment about the use numbers for tones.

(1) Even a small change from 'Zhuang had been written with logographs ' to 'Zhuang has been written with logographs' would be clearer, the sawndip writing system was never official and continues to be used to this day in much the way it always was and the link is more relevant. Or it could be worded so that links to both exist 'Zhuang has been written with logographs, sometimes called sawndip'.

(2) Describing the 1957 as special letters is not very exact it is a wikipedia policy to be as exact as possible, most of the 'special letters' are Cyrillic letters, and two of the vowels are common ipa symbols.

There is enough to say on the Zhuang language to make several pages, there is not much wikipedia material on Zhuang, a collective effort to improve this is best.

Yours sincerely Johnkn63 10:57, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Re User talk:Babelfisch my problem with viewing is that the page only opens as far as the end of point 9. It is point 10 that seems to be the cause, a rather self fulfilling prophercy. No points given for guessing where I am trying to open from . My talk page is open the thread could be moved to there if that helps. Johnkn63 23:26, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm in Beijing and I have serious problems to access and edit Wikipedia at the moment. My impression is that they've changed the censorship mechanism three days ago, and my favorite workaround doesn't work any more. I wonder if Wikipedia users elsewhere are aware that a quarter of the world doesn't have unrestricted access to Wikipedia. This is the comment I've posted on my talk page:

You wrote: "For a reference see Cyrillic alphabet, this is definitely correct. The writting system was designed by Russian nad Chinese linguists in the 1950's and so they naturally used a Cyrillic alphabet."

Sorry, this is not correct. Have a look at the section on writing systems in the article on the Zhuang language: The 1957 Zhuang alphabet consists of 18 Latin letters (a, b, c, d, e, f, g, h, i, k, l, m, n, o, r, s, v and y) plus 10 non-Latin letters. Of the non-Latin letters, ƽ is definitely not Cyrillic; it marks the 5th tone and looks like a number 5. The letters з, ч and ƅ look like Cyrillic letters, but don't have their sound values; they mark the 3rd, 4th and 6th tones and also look a bit like numbers 3, 4 and 6. The letter ƨ is not Cyrillic; it marks the 2nd tone and could actually be derived from a number 2. The letter ƌ is not cyrillic either. The letter ƃ looks a bit like the cyrillic Ƃ, but it seems more logic that ƃ was derived from b and ƌ from d. The letters ə and ŋ look like IPA letters; both have also been used in both Latin and Cyrillic orthographies of many languages in the Soviet Union, as well as in the Latin orthographies of some minority languages—in Xinjiang and elsewhere—in China. The letter ɯ looks a bit like the Cyrillic ш, but it doesn't have it's sound value.

Conclusion: It is a Latin alphabet with 10 extra letters; 5 of them are derived from numbers, 3 from Latin letters and 2 from some phonetic alphabet. Five of the extra letters look a bit like Cyrillic letters, but not a single one has the sound value of the Cyrillic letter it looks like. (The result actually reminds me of the African reference alphabet which was created much later, and other attempts to create new written languages.)

I agree that we have to be precise; you should check your sources once more. I really recommend the book by Zhou Minglang. (If you happen to be in Beijing, you can find it in the National Library.)

Maybe this discussion should be continued at the talk page of the article in question. —Babelfisch 02:30, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

I too have similar problmes assessing wikipedia -- mentioning where one is, makes blocking easier. The exact rationale behind the 1957 writing system is complex, there is surely a better wording than 'strange letters', I will let you decide . If Minglang suggests that the character based writing system is no longer used he is wrong. Please see talk:Zhuang for more details. To be accurate the article shoudld reflect this. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Johnkn63 (talk • contribs) 14:13, 10 November 2006.

It doesn't say "strange letters", but "special letters". Maybe they should be listed in the text, or we can find another way to phrase that sentence. —Babelfisch 07:55, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

(Discussion moved to Talk:Zhuang language. --Amir E. Aharoni 08:52, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

sib.wiki

I herebe authorise that this vote to oppose closure of sib-wiki was cast by me. --Amir E. Aharoni 06:56, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

personal request

Dear Amir, please just please Delete my name on your user page at the hebrew wikipedia, [4]. why didnt you do that?--Ifeldman84 20:13, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Responsibility. --Amir E. Aharoni 21:18, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

what responsibility?, why are you so stubburn??? , did i do anything wrong to you? why cant you just do that? you did it once. why did you rewrite my name???--Ifeldman84 01:12, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

есть ли у вас личные проблемы со мной? ??--Ifeldman84 01:16, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

You are trying to destroy evidence. Take responsibility. If you google for my name, you'll find things about which i am not too proud, but i am not trying to erase them. Stop asking me for it, it is ridiculous. --Amir E. Aharoni 06:52, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

why dont you answer my mail?, evidence to what am i trying to destroy? this has nothing to do with responsibility ,and i am glad you could write that word without a dic. so i understand that it is personal, have it your way