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Final words

OK, let’s get this over with.

I was not at the Wikipedia earlier and had not planned to be this night; some of us have work to do and a life outside the WP. We are not at your beck and call 24/7. You want to be treated as an adult and then you go and throw a childish tantrum like this?

Some might think that you should “get a second chance”, but this would not be your (the person who has this account) second chance, it would be that person’s third or fourth or even fifth. You have pretended to be 13 other users, some before this and some at the same time as this account. At your earlier accounts you have done questionable things and you have said you are sorry and will never do so again. You have been remorseful for 2-3 days and then gone and created a new account and started it all over again.

At most of your account, you have said that you want to fight vandalism. Right now you are one of the vandals here. Creating loads of accounts and pretending to be new users just to get the attention from other editors, is just as bad as if you were vandalizing articles, because you create a bad mood here at the WP and you waste time that could otherwise be spent on editing. Keeping up with all your pranks is keeping me and other editors from writing articles, helping real newcomers and everything else needed to build the encyclopedia.

You are in the big league now. You do the crime, you do the time. You don’t get away with just a talking to anymore. If, by some miracle, you manage to stay on the right path and not go back to your old ways, I may in two or three years, when you have hopefully matured, reconsider my position about you. Until then, steer clear of me. Like you have said to so many other vandals: Your behavior is disruptive, you have been warned. - w.carter-Talk 21:35, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Umm... MirrorFreak has actually been banned from her own talk a short while before you finished your paragraphs. Now it doesn't serve any purpose, so will you mind if I remove it? It's more likely that you'll just induce hostility (read "You want to be treated as an adult and then you go and throw a childish tantrum like this?") and IMO it's unlikely you'll convince MirrorFreak of anything, and there's no point targeting her reputation because she's banned. Nerdy Community Dude _talk^{my edits} 20:28, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

I agree with Community Dude. A horrendous way to talk to people. ←(please sign this comment, this is not the place for unsigned opinions)

You do what you think is best, that is what WP is about. I have known this person through several of her "incarnations" here at the WP and she is impatient and wants quick answers. It would have been worse to let her go without knowing. She has really messed up here and needs to face the consequences for it, which she knows. Right now you are just playing the game she wants you to: giving her attention and making him into some sort of wronged martyr. Others have been blocked forever from the WP for much less, in fact people are astonished about the leniency shown towards her. Best, w.carter-Talk 21:02, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

You know... I don't like the way we're doing things. We're making claim after claim against this person, accusing her of general things. Now it's very right for you to express your feelings about this person, so he knows them, but the accusations on his motives, on how he behaved, etc... I mean, why didn't we make the accusations against the person while he could respond? Why should we make them now, when the person cannot deny them, and he doesn't have the chance to say "no, that's untrue, I don't see how you thought of that."

I don't want to blame you for that, because I'm pretty sure you didn't know he would be talkpage-banned when you made your first comment (since you say it's a warning). But your second comment, that's different. Nerdy Community Dude _talk^{my edits} 21:52, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

@Nerdy Community Dude:Well, if you want to do something that you think is right, then please do it instead of just talking about it. You have been at the Wikipedia for six days and I have known this user for five months, but by all means if you want to delete the discussion, please do. w.carter-Talk 22:18, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

I disagree with Nerdy Community Dude's saying "accusing him of general things". Creating socks was never a general thing. And I don't think W.carter wasn't even expecting a reply from MirrorFreak, he just added his thoughts as a final note, After all he knew this user and it was unexpected for him to be betrayed by an autconfirmed user which he praised. We should really stop talking about this situation , All we have to do is track every edit of this user when he gets unblocked (He is lucky as he wasn't blocked indefinitely)--Chamith (talk) 22:21, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

@ChamithN: Sry I wasn't clear: I'm not talking about w.carter's statement MirrorFreak created multiple accounts. I think (unless I read something wrong) MirrorFreak admitted to that himself. My definition of accusation is probably slightly different than yours.

There was an implicit accusation that MirrorFreak made multiple accounts as a "prank." The sentence "You have been remorseful for 2-3 days and then gone and created a new account and started it all over again." accuses MirrorFreak of repeating what he has been sorry for. There's the minor claim that "he is impatient," although this one is polite enough here. "Right now you are just playing the game he wants you to: giving him attention and making him into some sort of wronged martyr" is kind of a claim that MirrorFreak may want to defend himself against. "leniency shown towards him." is also something MirrorFreak may want to contest.

Sorry for drawing this out longer, but I did want to clear your misunderstanding what I meant. Now I think about it it's selfish of me, but I already written it. Anyways, if you also have no objections, I'll delete this discussion (finally). (Or if w.carter feels I'm too slow, he can close it already) Nerdy Community Dude _talk^{my edits} 22:58, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

And sorry MirrorFreak for referring to you with "he." I skimmed your userpage and saw "If you ever need a translator, I'm your guy!" and concluded you were a guy. Honest. (Oh well, I'm going to delete this anyways) Nerdy Community Dude _talk^{my edits} 23:44, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

w.carter, I deleted it but someone else added it back. Someone wants this discussion to stay, and I guess we can't bury something if someone doesn't want to. Nerdy Community Dude _talk^{my edits} 17:10, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Apology

@W.carter, McDoobAU93, Yunshui, Theroadislong, Jim Cartar, ChamithN, Tiptoety, and Nerdy Community Dude: I really don’t know what to say other than that I’m sorry. What I did was just down-right screwed-up. I will not deny any of the accusations that were pointed at me because they are all true. I was begging for attention, and guess what? I got it! I got a lot of it, but not in the way I wanted. I am so disappointed and embarrassed with myself. I’m not going to make any excuses to try and turn myself into a martyr, but I am going to take full ownership. Like W.carter said, I’m in the big leagues now, and throwing a little temper tantrum isn’t going to help solve anything at all. And W.carter, if it takes 2 or 3 years for you to look at me differently than I am okay with that. I would do the same. I have utterly betrayed editors here and I cant even imagine how you guys feel. Nerdy Community Dude, don’t apologize, that’s the last thing I deserve right now. What I do deserve is a nice punch in the face and then in the stomach. Chamith, Don’t feel bad for me. I don’t deserve that at all, I was pretending to be people I wasn’t, and now I’m paying the price for that. I don’t know what the fuck I was thinking. (pardon the cursing) I’m just so sorry.Mirror Freak My Guestbook 18:55, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Oh dear. You talk inspiringly, but don't worry about it all. There are no crimes here, Wikipedia is just some curious website with strange people.

You know, where I live, the community is so much different than Wikipedia. If the people whom I know had been the ones to make up Wikipedia's community, Wikipedia would be so so different. Because people I know include very patient and meek mentors, the kind of people I almost never see on Wikipedia. (Well, "never see on Wikipedia" is a little extreme. [There are examples of honest and darn insightful comments I've seen https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:POV_railroad&diff=577900417&oldid=577890152])

but if W.carter was someone I knew, perhaps from my culture, here is what his comment may sound like:

OK, let’s get this over with.

I was not at the Wikipedia earlier and had not planned to be this night; some of us have work to do (you know, heh, a life outside the WP). We can't really respond to your concerns that fast... In fact, it's an amazing thing that we manage to respond this much at all, because on the web things are just slow placed. I also think you show too much personality here... I know many good people are like that, but on Wikipedia it attracts negative attention, and some people may treat you like a child (I'm embarrassed to think this, but I really do feel it's possible), so few people on Wikipedia talk like this.

Some might think that you should “get a second chance”, but Wikipedia is really just a website, so it doesn't mean much to be banned from it. So we don't want to spend too many resources on controlling all you people, and so most people who don't fit in frictionlessly won't be allowed to join. I think you've done questionable things with your other accounts and I don't think you're right for us. Maybe you disagree, but it's a subjective matter, and if we think you're not right, there's not much you can do, sorry. This is how most systems work, for better or for worse.

If things change, I may reconsider my position about you. But you really don't have to concern over this, you can do something other than Wikipedia. There are a million types of communities on the web, and I'm sure some will show a very warm welcome, where you can contribute without such conflict. Maybe you're experience at Wikipedia was just bad luck, and things escalated because everyone made their mistakes at bad times. I don't really know what made me think the way I do about you; I don't know what made you make those decisions... but you may have better luck elsewhere.

...I advise staying at Wikipedia just a bit more to see if you can patch things up.

That's what the comment may sound like. Except my honest unexaggerated feeling, is that the comment will be more polite than this. Our communities are worlds apart. Nerdy Community Dude _talk^{my edits} 01:29, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

I hope you and W.carter will be good respectful friends again!

Erm... one thing. When you pinged me, I didn't get any notification nor email. Is there some setting I set wrong? (Ironically, when you mentioned me elsewhere, it showed up. Something's glitchy) Nerdy Community Dude _talk^{my edits} 02:11, 14 October 2014 (UTC)