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[edit]Hiya! I reverted your Yreka, California edits because you inserted changes to numbers and alleged "facts" but in such a way that it would seem that the cited work at the end of the sentence was the source of your changes.
So example "Mary got eighteen Apples for her 16th birthday," cited to "New Books about Apples", was suddenly changed to "Mary got 22 apples for her 90th birthday," but the citation didn't change.
See the problem? If kept, that would imply that "New Books about Apples" had the latter data in it, when it has something totally different.
If you wish to use the other, you will need to set up a situation there where it is obvious to the reader where the facts come from.
Example: "While some published sources [1] "New Books About Apples" say Mary got 18 apples for her 16th birthday, others [2] "The other source you used" said she was ninety years of age when she got 22 apples.
That way, it's really clear who said what. In the edit I reverted that you made, you made factual changes but didn't give any new source, and stuck it into the citation that was already there as if it came from that prior cited source.
See?
Please read up those fancy links someone pasted you. All this stuff is in there. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 14:11, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
Thank you Ellin for contacting me! I confess I haven't read the links someone posted for me two years ago. I simply log in when I come across errors that bother me in an article I'm reading and do my best to fix them. I need to rise above my trial and error methods and get more proficient at the ins and outs of Wiki-editing. This is certain.
However, in the Yreka, California article, my internal editor was triggered because the heading was about lynchings in Yreka but the description stopped where the lynch mob escorted the sheriff out of town. There was no mention of the lynching itself. I read the Omaha Bee-News article cited http://www.rarenewspapers.com/view/583316 and found the details I inserted or changed, including the detail that the prisoner was dragged out of the jail, driven to a pine tree and hanged.(There were other details I changed, they were also in the newspaper article: something about 50 vigilantes, not thirty-five, and something about the distance driven, and so on. I didn't want to add a lot of new stuff. I'm sure Yreka has a lot more going for it than a couple of ancient lynchings.) So the edits I made WERE all sourced to the citation already given, that's why I added them in front of it. Later, I found a source that corroborated most of the facts I inserted (complete with photo, ugh) http://withoutsanctuary.org/pics_01_text.html but since I'm not technically adept enough to add a new source to my edit, certainly not using a tablet as I was, I simply put the link to it in my comments, in case someone else cared to add it.<grin> That may be what made you think I had added new facts to Wikipedia without sourcing.
Again, I appreciate hearing from you and getting your helpful advice. Frankly, I'm so Wikipedia techno-challenged that I'm not sure this is the best way to reply. Could you let me know if you get this?
Thanks! Alphalurion (talk) 19:39, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
P.S. Did you know that Yreka (Bakery) was a clue in this past Sunday's New York Times crossword, you N. CA expert, you? That's why I looked it up in Wikipedia to begin with.
- Hiya... Yup, I got your message... to make anyone contact you faster, just type like you see here @[[User:Ellin Beltz]] in the message and my notices will light up when I arrive... My fubar then on your changes to the article. I'm really sorry about that, give me five minutes after this edit and I'll go back an dchange it. Now, for the reference you had trouble inserting... http://withoutsanctuary.org/pics_01_text.html I'll insert it where it seems to fit and if I'm wrong, you just fix it, ok? If anything breaks, don't worry... if you want it fixed right away, contact the Village Pump people they're totally awesome at helping right away and no one will get mad if you explain you're coming back after a while. Wikimarkup is complicated and no one expects everyone to be expert. Again, my apologies, let me go see if I can poke this article back to the shape you left it and add that one citation.
- Nope I didn't know about the New York Times crossword for the palindrome Yreka B akery but it makes sense they'd use it! Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 02:55, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for changing it back, @User:Ellin Beltz, and adding the links. As a result of conversations I can now add links like that myself. Plus, maybe I've learned a little about using the talk pages. I do appreciate your vigilance and diligence. Thank you for taking the time to be helpful! Alphalurion (talk) 18:22, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
No worries! Ellin Beltz (talk) 19:33, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
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