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Your submission at Articles for creation: Harry Lister Riley (June 22)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Ldm1954 was:

The content of this submission includes material that does not meet Wikipedia's minimum standard for inline citations. Please cite your sources using footnotes. For instructions on how to do this, please see Referencing for beginners. Thank you.

The comment the reviewer left was:

He might qualify for academic notability, WP:NACADEMIC. However, there are insufficient sources here to verify, and I (or another reviewer) cannot dig through archives to find them. Please be much more specific with sources and his notability.

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Ldm1954 (talk) 06:50, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Alifeofriley! Having an article draft declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! Ldm1954 (talk) 06:50, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I accepted an draft you created Harry Lister Riley

Congrats! It is a decent article. I recommend adding more references, since some spots lack citations. As for the main image, can you verify that you hold the copyright to the picture? Unless you are 100 year old or older, it is unlikely you took the photo. Ca ^{talk to me!} 15:17, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your compliments and encouragement. I will work on further references, as you suggest. Some of his biographical story comes from old newspaper cuttings that I haven't been able to find an online source for. I'm unsure how to cite these. The photograph is a family one that was given to me by one of his sons for general use, including Wikipedia. Would an email from him suffice as proof of permission to use it here? Alifeofriley (talk) 10:05, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the clarification. You can ask the family to send a email to Volunteer Response Team to confirm they release the photograph on Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 4.0 International license, or any license that allows copying and remixing.

As for the newspaper cuttings, you don't have to find an online source to cite it on Wikipedia. Instead, the only requirement is that you provide enough information so that readers could find the exact source you are referring to. Typically this means the title(if it exists), publisher, newspaper name, date of publication or issue number, page, author, etc. For further information, I recommend Wikipedia:Citing sources. It is a very broad guide to referencing, so you definitely don't have to read it all. WP:Teahouse is a help page where other editors can help you out. Ca ^{talk to me!} 11:40, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again for your advice. Harry's son wrote to the Volunter Response Team to grant them permission to use the portrait, which was taken by the Victorian studio Elliott & Fry for the family, but the VRT response said "Unless you have any agreement with the photographer, and nothing else special does apply, I think you are unable to publish the photos." This feels like a rather draconian approach to the rules, since the photographer is long dead and the studio no longer exists. Surely an email from his son, under these circumstances is adequate? Any further advice would be much appreciated. 86.179.181.49 (talk) 08:57, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Forgot to log in before. So posting again here for an easier reply.

Thanks again for your advice. Harry's son wrote to the Volunter Response Team to grant them permission to use the portrait, which was taken by the Victorian studio Elliott & Fry for the family, but the VRT response said "Unless you have any agreement with the photographer, and nothing else special does apply, I think you are unable to publish the photos." This feels like a rather draconian approach to the rules, since the photographer is long dead and the studio no longer exists. Surely an email from his son, under these circumstances is adequate? Any further advice would be much appreciated. Alifeofriley (talk) 09:01, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I too dislike the byzantine nature of copyright laws. However, the VRT can't control what laws governments pass. According to Commons:Commons:Copyright rules by territory/United Kingdom, though I am not a lawyer so do not take this authoritatively, unless there is any record (i.e paperwork) of the photographer or the studio relinquishing its copyright to the family, the copyright still belongs to the photo studio/photographer, even if the studio has been disestablished. It may still have lapsed onto public domain however, making it copyright-free, see the diagram. Ca ^{talk to me!} 02:23, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your further advice. According to the flow chart it does seem to be out of copyright. Alifeofriley (talk) 10:17, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]