User talk:AlexPU/Archive 2

My archived talk 2 - Year 2005

police

i dont know if your are aware, but you deleted the police page. be carefull with your edits. Xtra 13:18, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Surely I din't mean to. And I've no idea how did it happen. Anybody has? Web experts? Cause this is not the first time when I'm accused in misterious deleting. AlexPU

Ukrainians in space

Hi Alex. On a whim, I created and populated Category:Ukrainian space program while avoiding work. The articles are all little stubs. Would you have a look and see if I haven't left out anything obvious? I wanted to start an article about the Sich-1 and Coronas-F satellites, but I've run out of time. Michael Z.

Will do my best, Michael.

Pryvit, AlexPU

Take a look at NKAU and its talk. AlexPU

Category problems

But you're a lucky guy - I've tried to create already two new categories and no freaking effect so far. Would you take a look when not so busy?

• Category:Non-combat accidents involving military
• Category:Kyiv city

You don't really have to create category pages, as such. Just put a new category link at the bottom of an article. Then go to that category, which now has your article in it, and put one or more category links to parent categories in there. The new category is now part of the hierarchy. —Michael Z. 2005-01-22 16:54 Z

One more thing: when the category is still an orphan, the links above generate a URL that goes to the page for editing. But you can still manually type or paste the URL into your browser, and see the page (e.g., http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Non-combat_accidents_involving_military).

Khotyn uprising (1919)

I think you should be interested to take a look at the Khotyn article, which is repeatedly flooded by Romanian nationalism. If you have any facts on the Khotyn uprising, please help to make the article better. Ghirlandajo 06:55, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Fantastic idea!

Hi,

Good job man! That was a great idea to create Category:Non-combat accidents involving military. Good luck! --Pouya 19:33, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Category:World Heritage Sites in the Ukraine

I've replied on my talk page; it's prolly easiest to keep the discussion in one place. — OwenBlacker 20:34, Feb 19, 2005 (UTC)

Tobias COnradi's unacceptable actions on oblasti pages

I cannot revert. Oblast' is not english. Please look on other countries (not Russia) where else do we use non-english terms? Privet Tobias Conradi 07:19, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

If someone has another opinion than you, you call him asshole? Tobias Conradi 07:39, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Where do you think is the best place to discuss the naming of province/oblast? Tobias Conradi 07:42, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

If someone is defiantly ignoring the Wiki ethics and objections from other Wikipedians, and refusing to discuss his edits, I call him an asshole. And today's asshole seems to be To-o-o-bias Conradi! AlexPU

At this stage, you got no moral right to discuss anything. You had your chance after my first polite reprimand. Now you're discredited - at least for some time. If you're concerned with the naming of province/oblast, please ask some tolerant and co-operative Wikipedian to back your opinion and fulfill all necessary discussion procedures. And please, don't rename anything more. AlexPU

WikiEthics are Be bold. I stopped renaming, but had to rename until K starting from Z. Because I was allready in some K. So now we know oblasts pages from K-Z all have been moved. You call Would you stop renaming oblast' until you freaking hear the objections of other Wikipedians polite? And than after 7 minutes giving me an 24h-ultimatum? Maybe I have seen your first message only short moments before?

I stop renaming for now and would really like to talk about it. Tell me where Privjet from Berlin. :-) Tobias Conradi 08:37, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

An appropriate place to discuss this would be Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ukrainian subdivisions, which you may have noticed was linked from the top of each oblast's talk page. Please calm down, people. I've only noticed this debate now. Would someone summarize on that talk page?

Oblast is indeed an English word, at least according to the American Heritage Dictionary. —Michael Z. 2005-03-4 16:09 Z

I have never been on any oblast talk page. Thanks telling that oblast might be english, but what about oblast' as it was written? Tobias Conradi 07:57, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

In the german WP we also use the word Oblast. Tobias should not try to move the oblast-articles in de:WP. --Steschke 07:46, 2005 Mar 5 (UTC)

You are talking nonsense - I never tried anything with de:WP Tobias Conradi 07:57, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Wenn du dir die Mühe machen würdest zu verstehen: Tobias should not try ist Future. --Steschke 13:16, 2005 Mar 6 (UTC)

My fight against Tobias was purely the matter of ethics (and not the question of content) - as well as my other Wikiconflict with Russian propagandists. If a guy is renaming 25 typical and large-subject articles without any discussion, "fighting" the wide-spread Wikipedia term, he deserves a massive censure. And I'm eager to repeat such actions against every other defiant vandal (no matter how much time would I spend for it). If Tobias voluntarily reverted his own (those still unreverted) changes, it would be the best demonstration of his tolerance, co-operativeness and contributing objectivity.

As for the essence of the oblast' question, I'm always ready to discuss the possible changes to oblast' pages. I'm going to do that exactly where Michael suggests to do it. And even if the consensus of Wikipedians recognizes the idea of Tobias, I would still demand his edits to be reverted before the end of discussion. While we discuss the edits, other people might just look for the info on oblast's :( AlexPU

Ukrain city maps

Hi Alex, I invite you to find out the best basic ukrain map to show the position of cities. We discuss here --ST ○ 06:58, 2005 Mar 9 (UTC)

Sorry, I try to explain: We try to find a construct to represent Ukrainian cities. The first point is to find a map to point the position of a city (independently if it's actually on it's correct place). We thought about oblasts with named cities first. That has the disadvantage that you only can use it in the deWP. And the oblasts are not useful to orientate. So we discuss now, if we shouldn't use simple maps of Ukraine only with dots on them. That would have the advantage, that we could store the images at commons and all WPs can use them in their language. And they would have a similar look (like the Image:Location berlin in germany.png, which are used in all german articles of cities and towns). Because of this idea, I asked you to take a look and take part at the discussion if you think this idea could be success- and useful also for you. --ST ○ 23:22, 2005 Mar 9 (UTC)

Navy Expert

I would like to work with you on articles about Military of Ukraine, Russian Navy, and so on. I am currently working on articles (very slowly) about Soviet and Russian submarine accidents. I spent many years in the United States Navy's Submarine Service, and now I work for the Navy as a civilian contractor, so in English I am something of an expert. ➥the Epopt 15:30, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I'd also be pleased to help, with English/American terminology and usage etc. Pedant 19:46, 2005 Mar 9 (UTC)

Thank you guys. I'm fastening my preparations for the joint attack. For the start, I suggest both of you (especially the professional Epopt) to consider where could you harvest the info on particular ships of the Soviet/Ukrainian (and also, if you want, Russian) navies. I mean there must be some English -language military guides (Jane's or what is it called?) where you can find the:

• old Soviet names and codes as well as the new codes (or what the digit labels on the boards are called?)
• the types of particular ships and their NATO classification
• any other relevant info (where and when she was built, history, pictures etc.)

To refine your search, I'm preparing the list of the actual ships with their Ukrainian names (judging by mostly media sources). Also, I'm going to clarify the history, personalia&ranks and bases (however, bases and ports may be also best accesible to you through international navy guides). Best wishes, AlexPU

• The military guide you're thinking of is Jane's Fighting Ships and its hundreds of spin-offs. Jane's Web site is http://www.janes.com/ .
• I'm not sure what you mean by "the digit labels on the boards" -- is that "K-141" for the submarine Kursk?
• Some information on Soviet and Russian submarines (Stupid question: does Ukraine operate submarines?) can be found at http://submarine.id.ru/ . I haven't looked for surface-fleet info recently.
• NATO reporting name are reasonably easy to look up on various .mil Web sites.

➥the Epopt 15:26, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Hi Epopt. I've tried to look into Jane's. there's a lot of info there, and it seems to be largely pay-only. So I need some time (and hepl may be) to harvest something here.

By "labes" I meant the digit-letter combinations painted on the boards of the surface ships. Not sure for subs. I guess that combination is unique and important. Isn't it?

Yes, Ukraine possess a small old diesel sub named "Zaporizhia" (Cyrillic Запоріжжя). Don't know the class/project - can you harvest it knowing the name?. And no :(( we don't operate it - the sub is in permanent repair since it was commisioned form Russian guys - that's why she is a constant hero of journalist stories. But the Navy comand demonstrates the willing to operate it someday.

Thanks for the first help. AlexPU

I have added a tiny amount to your stub about Ukraine's submarine, and I'll add more as I research it. ➥the Epopt 23:16, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

DYK

Just so you know. Since we're on the English wikipedia here, Kiev is how most English people refer to the city. I therefore changed the link in your suggested item. (I do believe the Ukrainian name is mentioned in the lead, though. Mgm|^(talk) 13:23, Mar 11, 2005 (UTC)

Arsenal

Hi Alex, please look at the note I left at the Arsenal Mutiny article talk page. Also, may I suggest you to avoid using Kyiv in Wikipedia as the primary name of the city. I understand that you may want to promote the usage of Kyiv by using it yourself. But at Wikipedia, I think, the choice of the term should reflect the current usage rather than promote some terms over the others. Regards, Irpen 07:12, Mar 18, 2005 (UTC)

Alex, I am responding to the note you left at my talk page. I don't have a big problem with FC Arsenal called either way. Save few exceptional cases, I usually don't go to the page just in order to change a single term when it is as contentious as Kiev/Kyiv. Mostly, I only do this change in the course of some other page edits. Unlike when used for the name of the city itself in English WP, the argument you made for the FC name has merit and I am happy to have it the way you changed it back.

I don't feel good, though, about the tone of the note you left at my talk page and about your calling my edits outrageous. Please don't become short-tempered when you disagree with others. I work on all articles in good faith and I don't think I deserved to be addressed in such a tone. Now, lets put this matter behind and go back to business of improving the WP. Please don't take this personally, but I think your should reconsider your usage of Kyiv for the name of the city in your edits. I left a note on the talk page of one of the articles and there is enough said on this heated discussion elsewhere. Please note, that I agreed with your moving the Irpen river article into Irpin, which I think made perfect sense for today's day. You may notice, that I created the article a while ago, and now I would have created it as Irpin as well. I hope, our discussions will remain civil, and I really appreciate your contributions to WP, including those I disagree. Irpen 22:34, Mar 18, 2005 (UTC)

Apologies presented for the tone - it really was an emotional pre-emptive attack. I'm glad you recognize the essence of my objection regarding the football club. Best wishes, AlexPU 20:45, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Chersones

Hi Alex, I'm looking for a picture or scan of an 1 Griwna banknote to use in the article about Chersones (Sewastopol). Do you have an idea? --ST ○ 19:47, 2005 Mar 18 (UTC)

Elya left this on my talk-page: Alex, where are you living and what driver do you need ? I'll be in Ushhorod in May and could bring you something on CD ;-) - if this is not too late. --elya 18:29, 19. Mär 2005 (CET) --ST ○ 19:56, 2005 Mar 19 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, Elya&Steschke. I'm a Kyivite, and, unfortunately, not going to visit Uzhhorod in foreseeable future. Actually, I'm looking for a CD ( with an HP Scanjet 6200 driver. If I don't get that from my friends or acquaintances - hope to buy it at the "something CD:)" (I got your humor) market. But anyway, thanks for readiness to help.

BTW, Elya, I see you've done a great Ukraine-related job there at De:Wikipedia (judging from the titles I can somehow understand from German). Best wishes, AlexPU 20:51, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC).

Unfortunately, I'm leaving for an approximately month-long Wikibreak. (Don't know how will I stand it :( ). But, feel free to post your possible messages and help requests here - I promise to answer them ASA return. Pryvit, AlexPU 21:05, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Best wishes to you during your leave, Alex. Thanks for all your hard work and knowledgeable contributions around here. Cheers, Michael Z. 2005-03-20 21:48 Z

Dropped in for a minute

Hi everybody. I dropped in for a minute - just to see what's happening in this great project. Unfortunately, I'm still on Wikibreak and have no time/energy for contribiting. Sorry if I didn't answer someone's message.

However:

• I can now scan and send some not very large Ukraine-related images (since I have a scanner). E.g., Sven Teschke requested a bank note scan.

• I've got a large multimedia collection depicting our Orange Revolution (TV newscasts&footages, animated clips, photos, photodesign, scanned leaflets, music etc.) Some of this stuff is copyrights-free or anonimous. If someone would like to post it at the respective Wiki pages - I can also send it.

So, people, if you need my help with some particular non-lasting tasks - please E-mail me.

Best wishes, AlexPU 12:02, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

P.S. If someone is interested in my experience, I do miss Wikipedia, but without any addiction suffering. My work pressure keeps me far from even thinking about writing something more :(( But I miss English very much. WP was the only place where I could use it. Hope I will return to editing someday.

Welcome back

Hi Alex! Just slumming a bit at Wikipedia? Thanks for filling in some info at tank desant. Hope to see you around here a bit. —Michael Z. 2005-11-10 19:38 Z

Hi Michael! Thanks for your welcoming. Glad to see you active as usual. Couldn't stand my desire to edit something, and to use English again. So many things changed since I left... I'm a little afraid of returning to our mainstream Ukraine articles. Need to read and think more. User:AlexPU

And I freaking forgot how to sign myself...

Done AlexPU

Sign with four tildes: ~~~~. Yup, some things change, some don't. Add Portal:Ukraine and some of its sub-pages to your watchlist. Cheers. —Michael Z. 2005-11-10 21:35 Z

Sorry Michael

Sorry Michael, I've incidentally blanked your talk page. Tried to fix it for a 5 times - with no freaking success. Would you do it yourself and accept my apologies& AlexPU 21:12, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

No problem; already fixed. I think the page is too long; I'll archive most of it shortly. Have a look at Raions of Kiev. —Michael Z. 2005-11-11 21:14 Z

Будьмо знайомі!

Hi Alex, nice to meet you here. There is so little Ukrainian editors at WP. Let's keap contact.--AndriyK 19:04, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Hi. I've already noticed you're an active editor of Ukraine pages. (I've been on a long Wikibreak.) And you seem to be fighting Russian gingoists - as I sometimes do. Tak trymaty! AlexPU 19:10, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Alex, yet again, I urge you to avoid name calling. In no time after your return to Wikipedia you resumed using this practice all too much. Maybe you forgot, but your first ever message to me (shortly after I've just started here) was a rude one. At that time, I was almost a newbie and you were an aged Wikipedian so welcoming me. Now, that I am also an aged Wikipedian, the first message from you after your wikibreak is even more rude.

I understand that, as you put it, you are now "too busy now to study Wikiethics pages thoroughly", but even if you apply any common sense ethics and civility rules you would have not done that and you don't need to read WP:Civil to be aware of that.

I hope you said "tak trymaty" above without really studying the contributions of the above user which by now have included disruptive behaviour, lack of civility, extreme POV pushing, multiple 3RR violations, effective vote falsification by using forums to recruit socks/absentee votes see (talk:Oleg of Chernihiv), personal attacks on and off Wikipedia, multiple copyright vilations and moving articles by cut and paste when he could not get his way by an accepted procedure. If you are interested, you can read his talk, especially starting from User_talk:AndriyK#Discussion_at_maidanua.org, my talk, particularly starting from User_talk:Irpen#Discussion_on_maidanua.org. In no time AndriyK managed to get himself blocked thrice, see (his block log), and aggravate everyone around him. This is a rather typical representation of his contributions.

I remember many good contributions you made before your wikibreak and we do need contributors around here. I hope you will help to make several more Ukrainian articles Wikipedia:Featured articles. So far we have only one, the Hero of Ukraine article, mostly written by an American, BTW. Shame on us! The featureable articles, IMO (those sufficiently detailed to be within reach) are Kiev, History of Kiev, Orange Revolution, Ukrainian language (particularly its history). My pet project History of Christianity in Ukraine is largely abandoned, but could be revived if there is an interest. I am looking forward to your help. --Irpen 21:26, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Na/v Ukrayini—eliminating vague language

Hi Alex. My question at talk:Ukraine#Na/v Ukrayini—eliminating vague language could probably use your perspective. Thanks. —Michael Z. 2005-11-15 17:37 Z

Hi. I'll see what can I add to discussion. AlexPU 18:53, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Navbox

The navbox is done. By the way, I'm Ukrainian too. --Akhristov 00:12, 21 November 2005 (UTC)