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Responding

I don't think there is a translation tool in wikipedia, but there are wikipedias in most major languages. I believe you really cannot move the claim of your IP work to your user information readily. I would recommend just moving forward and editing from now on with your user name. Peace, Kukini 05:52, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Please Help

Posted by (^'-')^ Covington 01:57, 10 May 2006 (UTC) on behalf of the the AID Maintenance Team

No problemo!

Yeah, the page is now on my watchlist. I'm not sure why people want to delete it. I met one user who tried to delete all historical names from articles about Turkish cities. I stopped him, so I guess that makes me a "Greek chauvinist". :p

BTW, let me know if you ever need help at anything. I've been here for too long... —Khoikhoi 00:36, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

In fact, I was just reading about WWII. :) I heard that one of his doctrines was that "he was always right". Jeez, it reminds me of how Türkmenbaşy makes his citizens read his book every night. What part of California were you at? —Khoikhoi

Ah, I've been to Petaluma before. Ciao. —Khoikhoi 17:31, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Alternate names

Slave! Yes, it was my friend Hectorian. I believe he did it based on the changes to the Greek name at the İzmir article. And if you look at Istanbul, there's no mention of Constantinople until further down in the history section. I'm not sure why historical names are such an issue for Turkish and Greek editors here—what's so bad about them in the first place? Look at the Lvov article, you don't see some huge edit war over the names there. I'm not sure what the exact problem is. No, there isn't an offical policy, I guess people just play it by ear. Well, edit wars won't happen if people use the talk page more, perhaps you could just leave a comment at the talk page, but this whole thing about the names just looks like one big reenactment of the Imia/Kardak conflict on Wikipedia. ;) —Khoikhoi 02:27, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

No problem. :) —Khoikhoi 22:40, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Borgo

Ciao Alex!

The only thing I had to fix up was that the notes for Ceccarelli were all the same so I made it look like this:

^ a b c d e f g h i j Ceccarelli

If you need help on how to do this, I just told another user, see this. Otherwise, the article looks really good, you might try submitting it for DYK, although I think they only take newly-created articles. Otherwise, you might try applying it to be a good article. Ciao! —Khoikhoi 01:34, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Ah, well it's ok if you need to show the page numbers. As for DYK, I recall seeing a page that wasn't new but still passed, so you still have somewhat of a chance! Ciao. —Khoikhoi 00:46, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Hola Señor Alex, quiero tu va a peer review. ;) Adios! —Khoikhoi 19:53, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi Alex, Thanks for your note. You're the first to ever send one to me. Your article "Borgo (rione of Rome)" was excellent. Glad I could be of help.

Ciao! Dr mindbender 14:45, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Editing of first two sections of Borgo by johndvincent

Ciao Alessandro

"Non vi è una cosa più difficile che trovare moda giusta di esprimersi in una lingua straniera." As an Italian I am sure you would find much here to improve idiomaticaly, even within this one sentence. That is pretty much what I have began to do with your article. It is really excellent. You have shown great dilligence in collating your information and sourcing it. In my changes I have tried to be faithful to the spirit of your intentions, while aiming for idiomatic clarity.

Examples: 1.When and where the English choose to put the word "the", seems sometimes to be a matter of custom. Thus, Raphael's fresco in the Stanze Vaticane is known as "the fire in the Borgo", consequently I have conformed to that custom by also putting in 'the Borgo' throught the part of the article I have edited, except in the beginning, where 'borgo' can just appear as the general name. 2. "Saint Peter", when it refers to the Basilica and not to the Saint, is always "Saint Peter's" even when the word Basilica is missing. 3. I have altered word order to conform with general usage. 4. Made changes to make the grammer conform to your meaning. In certain places I have changed a few things which would have appeared a bit strange in English; two examples in particular are: 5. Romans tombs which "reached large proportion" - I could have changed that merely to "reached large proportions" but even then the word "large" in this particular context would not be quite right, so instead I put "reached notable proportions" 6. The use of the word "apparently" with reference to the Vatican becoming established as the center of Rome. "Apparent" can mean both "evident" and "seeming", "apparently" ONLY means "seemingly". So I eliminateed the word "apparently". Personally I think it looks better without anything here, but if you really want to add emphasis you could put in the word "visibily", which is my best approximation to what I think you intended.

I left the last sentence of the second section as it was, because I do not understand your meaning: The whole section reads;

The Portica collapsed, so that Saint Peter's could be reached only by two roads, running from E. to W. of Borgo S. Spirito and Borgo vecchio. This also named "Carriera Martyrum, after the martyrs going to death in the Circus of Nero, was built on the same palace of (viz: on the site of) the Portica.

Ok: so the Portica was no longer usable because it collapsed, so only the Borgo S. Spirito and Borgo Vecchio could be used. BUT NOW you say "this.." : what "This" , do you mean "these" referring to the two Borgi ? But you cannot be refering to them, because you suggest that the Carriera Martirum was "on the same place" as the Portica. Does this perhaps mean that there was a rebuilding activity of the Portica that you don't mention ? I don't know. Please feel free to write to me, if you feel it will help, put that sentence in Italian.

Warmest wishes. --Johndvincent 06:03, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Regarding the two roman roads of Borgo from Johndvincent

Ciao Alex,

Yea, it's the Thames, I'm a Londoner. I'm also the guy who wrote to you about the Palazzo Caprini, I hadn't then worked out how to get a user name. I found the article absolutely fascinating, all that stuff about the 'boia non passa fiume' etc. I would never have known otherwise. I had edited the whole of the article, but then found that the computer decided to go caput on me, twice, so I am now doing it in chunks. I think I should give you time to digest what you've already got, but I'd like to add here one question, because it concerns the section already edited.

Note 4 - you say that the two Roman roads "crossed each other" at about the mid point of the via della Conciliazione. I left that bit intact, even though it would have been better to say "the two roads crossed at..", because I wasn't in fact sure if that is what you really meant. If, as you say the two roads began at the Vatican then perhaps you mean that the "two roads roads joined" (i.e. "the site of the junction at which these two roads began is...") 'crossed' means they made an incrocio. But perhaps that's exactly what you do mean.

Keep up the good work, John --Johndvincent 09:43, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

About Borgo from John

Wow Alex, what a great thing to have been christened in Saint Peter's !!! I will finish the edit as soon as I can. Your English is extreemly good, and I am delighted to do anything I can to help`

Do you think it might be possible to put at the very beginning of the article a sentence something like : "The historical importance of the Borgo is that this area of Rome constitutes a forecourt to Saint Peter's Basilica and the Vatican Palace." ?

A prossima volta ciao John --Johndvincent 18:30, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: my review of Borgo

Hi - in response to your question about getting help copyediting, I would be glad to help out. I should have some time tomorrow to look at the article and make some edits. Thanks! --Aguerriero (talk) 03:47, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Borgo suggestions

Caio Alex, Finished copyedit. Just three small suggestions

1) As I understand the situation, regarding the time of the 'Avignon Papacy' The Portici or Carriera Matyrium became unusable for a time, but then, what, the rubble was cleared up, and it was used by pilgrims ? Perhaps it would be more effective, as an illlustration of the decay during the time of papal absence, to just keep the bit about the one road been unusable and the other two being used, and leave it at that, otherwise the picture may become confusing.

2). Some of the facts regarding the palaces in the Renaissance could be pruned such as the home town of the Cardinal of Sant Clemente, or transfered to a note, such as the whole bit about the subsequent name of the Palazzo Caprini.

3. The section on Alexander VII and the Colonade could be very slightly expanded and given its own paragraph. Something like: Between year X and year Y Alexander had Bernini construct his Magnificent collonade. This entailed the destrution of a number of houses including the Palazzo Branconio by Raphael. Further destruction of houses also occured with the making of the piazzetta in front of the colonade. (with the appropriate references}

Ottimo Lovoro John --Johndvincent 10:47, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the Pic

Hi Alex, I am deeply touched by the your very thoughtful gesture, it's a wonderful picture !!! I'll be looking forward to reading your new version of the Borgo. BTW I was thinking of writing eventually something on Raphael as an architect starting with the Palazzo Branconio. It's a very interesting work, as it was a house, that was dicectly visible from piazza s. Pietro, and Raphael wanted to make a statement, do something new, say 'look I can break the rules'. Up till then in designing a facade the architect would always place a column above a column, but here Raphael placed nitches directly above columns, and this was the first ever work of Mannerist Architecture. I have a book which reproduces an engraving which is a measured drawing of the facade, and i was thinking of scaning it onto Wikipedia. Would you know what the procedures are or who I could ask, I am a bit of clutz with things techical? Anway, I won't be doing this yet, as I am on the point of moving house.

However, notwitstanding all the other stuff i've got going, I'm thinking hard about the intro, i'll run it all by you, might be asking questions about it soon.

Apresto, auguri e ciao John --Johndvincent 00:12, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Yesilkoy

I have been going to Turkey since early 2002 - whenever I am there, although I am Greek, I refer to places by the names most likely to be understood - I will ask the way to the Feneri Isa Camii, not the monastery of Constantine Lips. I talk about Ayasofia and Kucuk Ayasofia. It is obvious that while the Turks would have called the place Ayastefanos, the name is not what it would have been called by the Greeks while they were living there in the majority. I do not write that it would not be called Ayastefanos by a Greek because you have told me that it is. I hope you can see the difference. When the time comes on the greek wiki to write about Alexandroupolis, and someone writes that it used to be called Ντεντεαγκάτς I will also argue that this should be replaced with the latin alphabet Turkish form (and even the ottoman form) for the reason that although Ντεντεαγκάτς might be close to the original, it will not be what the Turks called the city: Dedeağaç. (the τσ transliteration for ç, although standard, is not too good). --5telios 14:13, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

You write But are you sure that this name is not the REAL local (byzantine) name of the village?

Pretty sure - I cannot state with 100% certainty that it is not, but the Ayastefanos form overrides basic rules of adjective noun agreement which would have sat "wrong" on the ears of the byzantines (it would do so to unschooled demotic speakers, too), but which may not have been noticed by the Turks. I am only perpetuating the correspondence since you seem interested, I don't think there is any persuading to one point of view or another necessary. Stelios

DYK

On 22 August, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Sant'Angelo (rione of Rome), which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Alex, I replied to your note on my talk page. — OtherDave 13:16, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey congrats on that! :) As for Yesilköy, can you tell me more about that hotel? Now you have me all intrigued... —Khoikhoi 10:41, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Ah, thanks for the explanation, that was really interesting. I'll make sure to keep an eye on that page then. —Khoikhoi 23:58, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Kekova

Dear Alessandro57,

I share your sensitivity for advertorial materials in wiki. But, one of these links gives general info for travel and accomodations near Antalya.(including all facilities, not a specific one). second link consist an huge photo gallery for that region. I directed to this gallery, not to a commercial web cite. Regards. Mustafa Akalp^TC 13:17, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Corsica

I changed your edits to Italy because, last time I checked, Corsica belongs to France. At least last time I visited, and their haven't been any wars or change in ownership. It is a slippery slope to say "Geographically, Corsica - together with Sardinia - delimites the Tyrrhenian sea, and - always in the geographical sense - it belongs to the Italian region". That's like saying that Canada and Mexico belong to the "US region". No way. That section is for the geography or description of Italy. Rarelibra 15:16, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Response on my talk page. Hey - it is nice to see users like yourself who are educated, cultured (impressive language list!), and mature! Thanks for the discussion! Rarelibra 16:30, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Bauzanum

I have a linguistic question for you: The latin name of Bolzano is reported to be "Bauzanum". This conains the letter "z", a letter that otherwise in Latin occurs only in loan words from Greek. How was that "z" pronounced? Are there other Latin place names in the region with a "z"? Was a non-Latin substratum language that had a "z"-like sound?  Andreas  ^(T) 15:51, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Ciao Andreas,

the name Bauzanum is - like many in the alpin area - of celtic origin, and does not stand from the Roman times, but it is known only since the VIII Century. It should come from the farm of a Celtic man, whose name was Baudiosus. In Latin these toponyms describing rural properties get often the ending -anum (i.E. in Umbria, from Strabinius => Strabinianum => Stravignano: there are hundreds of name places in Italy which are built so). So, according to this theory, Baudiosanum became Baudsanum, and then Bauzanum. Another hypothesis says that the name comes from a 'Castrum Balteanum' ("Swamp Castle") from the indoeuropean word 'balt' (swamp), like in Baltic Sea.

I don't know how the 'z' was pronounced, but i will look for you about others toponyms in this region. Anyway, I strongly doubt that during the roman times there have been many toponyms with 'Z'.

Alex2006 12:09, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Giorgio Orsini

Hi Alessandro,

We have a problem with editing the article about famous 15th century Italian architect - Giorgio Orsini. If you are knowledgeable about this man or if you know people who know about him - please, be involved or ask other people to be involved in the discussion and editing of the article about him--GiorgioOrsini 16:05, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Untagged image

An image you uploaded, Image:100px-Nocera Umbra-Stemma.png, was tagged with the {{coatofarms}} copyright tag. This tag was deleted because it does not actually specify the copyright status of the image. The image may need a more accurate copyright tag, or it may need to be deleted. If the image portrays a seal or emblem, it should be tagged as {{seal}}. If you have any questions, ask them at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. -- 08:27, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Reply

Ok, I am sure that you are right :) It just seemed to me kind of weird when I looked at the diff with the popups, and I thought it was someone just having some fun :) I'll revert. In fact, I know that Fatih is kinda of a dodgy neighborhood - so no worries! Cheers! Baristarim 17:07, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Giorgio Mainerio

I found your name in the category of Wikipedians who speak Italian. A user has requested an article on the composer Giorgio Mainerio (see Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Today#Mainerio, Giorgio). I think this would be a good article for Wikipedia, but I cannot find much information on this composer on the internet. The Italian Wikipedia has his biography here. Perhaps you could translate this article and contribute it to the English Wikipedia. If I could speak Italian then I would do it myself. Thanks. ●DanMS 17:46, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. No hurry of course. Someone else already created the stub at Giorgio Mainerio but you could certainly add more good information ●DanMS 01:08, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Invite to WikiProject Spam

Hey there! I saw you reverting or removing linkspam. Thanks! If you're interested, come visit us in Wikipedia:WikiProject Spam so we can work together in our efforts to clean spam from Wikipedia. Hu12 06:46, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Zeyrek Mosque

Google gives 606 hits for Zeyrek Mosque, and 856 for Zeyrek Camii. Understandably so, because it's called Zeyrek Camii in Turkish, the language of the sources which cite Zeyrek Camii. The sources that cite Zeyrek Mosque are all in English. I am not fanatical about one choice or the other but it will be first time I see an English-language source promoting the Turkish name in an English-language environment. Cretanforever 01:10, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Don't revert the latest additions

You can contribute without reverting the latest images and information I added.

I re-added what you wrote while restoring the new images and edits.

Regards. KeremTuncay 12:34, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 17 March, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Fenari Isa Mosque, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--howcheng {chat} 06:26, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

It means Good Article - it is a status, kind of like FA - but lower obviously. I suggest that you leave a note at the talk page of WP Turkey to see if anyone will be interested in helping out wiht copyediting/expanding the article - or you might go ahead and directly list it at Good article candidates. Cheers! Baristarim 17:06, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 26 May, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Kalenderhane Mosque, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Good job! --Aquarius • talk 17:27, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi

Hi, I would like to say that I appreciate your contributions to articles regarding architecture in Turkey very much. Regards, Atilim Gunes Baydin 18:06, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Cats

Hello. However, this is only a proposed guideline, so a discussion need to be held about that. One thing is for sure, there is no need no categorize these churches under "Byzantine Empire", when appropriate subcats exist. - Darwinek 08:54, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. I am glad that we have settled this issue. And thank you for that articles, I like architectural landmarks so much and these articles are very nice. Do you plan to start another ones? - Darwinek 09:14, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 15 June, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Bodrum Mosque, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Yomangani ^talk 12:19, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On June 28, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Eski Imaret Mosque, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Blnguyen (bananabucket) 08:07, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 13 July, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Vefa Kilise Mosque, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Andrew c ^[talk] 00:17, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Stoudios

Dear Alessandro, thank you for your message regarding the category for Stoudios. I certainly agree that the monastery is a building of Constantinople rather than Istanbul. I've searched for Category:Churches in Constantinople and Category:Churches of Constantinople, but found nothing. Perhaps I'm just not searching correctly. Would it be a good idea to create such a category? Also, are you planning to write an article about the Church of the Panaghia at Blachernae? The Wiki article about the Blachernae district has a link to "St. Mary of Blachernae church", but the link takes one to the article about the Blachernitissa Icon, and says nothing about the church. I was wondering, does it survive to the present day, has it been converted to a mosque, or has it been completely lost? Thank you for your work and for your helpful comments. Sincerely, MishaPan 15:10, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Monastery of the Panaghia Hodegetria

Could your check the stub for potential inaccuracies? Thanks, Ghirla^-трёп- 09:47, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

I have no objections to your proposal. Best, Ghirla^-трёп- 18:05, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 20 July, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Kefeli Mosque, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Yomangani ^talk 12:55, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Maria of the Mongols

Hi, could you identify the church mentioned in the article Maria Despina Palaiologina? --Ghirla^-трёп- 18:31, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 16 November, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Church of Saint Mary of the Mongols (Istanbul), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Zzyzx11 (Talk) 08:59, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Another task for you, amico mio

Hi from Brisbane, Australia, The Firman of Sultan Murad (26 October - 23 November 1386) is kept in a "St Paul's Monastery". Which one? 'm bocca al lupu! --Shirt58 10:49, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

DYK

Did you know? was updated. On 18 November, 2007, a fact from the article Hirami Ahmet Pasha Mosque (Istanbul), which you recently nominated, was featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Zzyzx11 (Talk) 15:15, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Panagia Mouchliotissa

If I had known that there was another page, I would not have created another page. --Z y Talk 14:17, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Attention

"I certainly agree that the monastery is a building of Constantinople rather than Istanbul". However everybody should think about how correct is to cut down all references to today and geography. Of course the building was put up when the city was called Constantinople. But this, does not change the fact that the building is located in today's Istanbul, the Historical Peninsula. Ultimately, Studion is an important monastery that forms a part of the historical topography of Istanbul?! --Z y Talk 14:27, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 27 November, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Gül Mosque, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--WjB scribe 09:50, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Byzantine churches

Hello! I think your articles are great, and warmly applaud your dedication and diligence in writing them! I meant to do this some time ago, but here it is:

		The Epic Barnstar
		I award this barnstar to Alessandro for his excellent articles on the Byzantine churches in Constantinople/Istanbul. Axios! Cplakidas (talk) 13:05, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I'll try to help as I can, primarily by checking them for minor errors or stylistic issues, but on the whole, I think they are well written and balanced. If I find any major problems, I'll let you know. Cheers! Cplakidas (talk) 13:05, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Likewise a happy New Year Alessandro! I am checking your new article out, however you might like to read this free Dumbarton Oaks article about the Zeyrek Mosque. I haven't found time to read it yet myself, but perhaps you can find some extra info to put into the article! Cheers, Cplakidas (talk) 11:29, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

DYK thx

On 14 January, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Koca Mustafa Pasha Mosque, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Congrats on Barnstar too Victuallers (talk) 14:58, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

An article which you started, or significantly expanded, Atik Mustafa Pasha Mosque, was selected for DYK!

On January 15, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Atik Mustafa Pasha Mosque, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Thanks for your contributions! Nishkid64 (talk) 06:20, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Valens Aqueduct

Hello Alessandro! Great work on the article, as usual (especially given the fact that not so long ago it had been deleted...). I have done my bit, however I have three questions: a) the webpage for the Water Supply Project seems to imply (and their maps indicate this too) that the original Byzantine aqueducts went further west into Thrace, and the Halkali and Belgrade Forest lines were subsidiary, or at any rate not connected with the Valens Aqueduct (which would also have been impossible because of insufficient elevation). So it would be incorrect to call the entire system "Halkali Net". I've left it for now, but I'd like to know what your sources are saying. b) I'm not sure that "Taksim" is Greek. Sure, the -ks- does not usually appear in Turkish words, but I cannot think of any similar Greek word (taxis etc) that has the meaning of "water plant". Any clues? c) I don't know of any "Jelus cistern" in Constantinople. Are you sure of the name? Anyway, keep up the good work - perhaps you could add some stuff to my pet article on the Walls of Constantinople, especially if you can get your hands on Millingen's book (impossible to find here in Greece). Sorry that the article I gave you wasn't of much help. If there's anything else, just tell me, although I'm rather busy with university exams right now... Cheers, Cplakidas (talk) 13:23, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Re taksim, see Taksim Square#History -- taksim is a Turkish word borrowed from Arabic, where it is a derived form of Q-S-M, to divide. Taksim is where the water supply forked into multiple parts. --Macrakis (talk) 03:09, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Carbonara

Three issues here:

• It is completely unacceptable on Wikipedia to characterize obviously good-faith, referenced contributions as "vandalism".
• It is not productive to blanket revert contributions (especially referenced contributions).
• As for the details of the content, I will be happy to look for more sources, e.g. Veronelli "Codice della Pasta", ecc.

The right thing for you to do now is to restore my edits and start a civil discussion on the Talk page. --Macrakis (talk) 15:57, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

I looked up the recipe in some more Italian cookbooks (see full refs in article). Here are their ingredient lists:

• Buonassisi: 500g bucatini, 120g pancetta, 50g butter, 1 spoonful olio di oliva (to fry the meat), 5 eggs, 2 spoonfuls cream (crema di latte), 150g pecorino (grana and guanciale listed as options).
• Carnacina: 600g spaghetti, 150g guanciale, 1 spoonful oil (to fry meat), 50g butter, 6 whole eggs, 50g parmesan (or pecorino), (optional) a few spoonfuls of cream.

I think the conclusion has got to be that there is no one "standard" recipe and that there is considerable variation. --Macrakis (talk) 03:03, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

I agree that your theory about Frenchification is a possibility. I need to get a copy of Gossetti, it sounds like. Did she really base her written recipes on what she observed? Or on her reinterpretation of what she observed (what most cookbook authors do). It could be (for example) that people were cooking with lard (strutto) but she thought that too heavy or whatever. Olive oil has certainly become much more popular world-wide.... My family is from Crete, and olive oil was always popular there, but the "Mediterranean cuisine/diet" has popularized it elsewhere. --Macrakis (talk) 11:28, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

An article which you started, or significantly expanded, Valens Aqueduct, was selected for DYK!

On February 16, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Valens Aqueduct, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Thanks for your contributions! Nishkid (talk) 20:13, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Milion

That is what is apparently meant, however all distances, including those of the Asian cities, where measured from the Milion. That's why I retained the "European" in the main article, where roads & distances are clearly set apart. Cheers, Cplakidas (talk) 13:19, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Removal of category from your userpage

Hi. In enacting consensus from User categories for discussion, I have removed the category Category:Wikipedians interested in books from your userpage. It was determined in that deletion debate that this category should be depopulated of individuals, but kept as a parent category. If you wish to display a category reflecting your interest in books, please consider one of the specific sub-categories under its umbrella. Thanks, and please excuse the necessary editing of your user page! ----Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 17:54, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for a truly magnificent photo! When I had been to Istanbul a few years ago, it was December, but with no snow - bright sunshine all the way... Although it was perfect for sightseeing, I'd really like to have seen the old city covered in white... :) Cheers and thanks, Cplakidas (talk) 12:03, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

PS. I wrote a short article on the Augustaion square. Have a look, and add anything you can. Cplakidas (talk) 18:24, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations on your DYK!

On 27 February, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Milion, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Keep up the good work - you got the coveted pictured slot too Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 11:14, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Byzantium 1200

Hi there Alessandro. Are you serious? I had no idea they were taken out, because IMO this is an excellent website that should be added under all circumstances. What was the copyright issue? I cannot find any problems on first glance, the website is non-profit on top of that. Gryffindor 10:13, 22 April 2008 (UTC) ps: as a little constructive input, please try to use the "Show preview" function on articles in future. I have trouble shifting through the countless edits and versions you made. Don't take it personal, it just makes editing and viewing changes much easier though and saves us on memory space.

Ok cool, I know saving each version is more convenient, I am also not very good at using the preview function, but it really saves a lot of work later on. I think it's weird that those links were taken out. I see no problem, even websites with copyright are obviously allowed to be put into the external links section (see for example newspaper articles, CNN and BBC websites, etc.). Can you give me a specific example where it was taken out? Let's put the Byzantium 1200 sites back on, and if someone objects again we can discuss the issue at a later point. Gryffindor 10:47, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Article for Deletion - please help out

Hi!

I was looking at this article for deletion about Massimo Angelini. This person I think might be notable enough for an article, but there are fears that the article may contain a lot of hoax information. Looking on Google, there are a lot of hits, but most of these are for Italian sites, and I can't speak Italian.

Looking through the list of Italian speaking Wikipedians for someone who might be able to help, I found you - you have both a Masters in Science, and a history of good edits. If you are able to, could you please have a look at the article and deletion discussion? Many thanks in advance, StephenBuxton (talk) 11:52, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Welcome to VandalProof!

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Polytonic fonts

Hello again Alex! I thought polytonic Greek was included in the standard Unicode packages in Windows. I guess I was wrong. You can nevertheless go here to download a couple of fonts. As for football, in 2004, as we say in Greece, "God was sleeping". This time around, he wasn't. Pity for Italy, too, but I am glad our eastern neighbours made it through! Cheers, Constantine ✍ 10:23, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Coincidentally, as you've probably seen, I was already in the process of doing so. Done, for now. I'll throw another look on some of the church-mosque articles in the weekend. Cheers, Constantine ✍ 08:53, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Istanbul

Hello Alessandro. Do you still reside in İstanbul? Btw. thanks for new articles about mosques-churches. - Darwinek (talk) 12:18, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Nice, so maybe we will meet next year. :) - Darwinek (talk) 12:39, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes, to a one-year school study program. - Darwinek (talk) 13:38, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Sancaktar Hayrettin Mosque

On 29 June, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Sancaktar Hayrettin Mosque, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 09:35, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Ottoman Turkish

Well, I don't know Ottoman Turkish, but I do know the Arabic alphabet, and the additions 213.217.253.60 (talk · contribs) to various articles seemed to be simply Greek or English words using Arabic letters. They never matched the modern Turkish names, which I can't imagine would be any different from the Ottoman names. I assumed they were vandalism or a joke. Adam Bishop (talk) 05:53, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Blachernitissa

This identification is just a pious legend. You shouldn't take it too seriously. --Ghirla^-трёп- 08:09, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

I'll address the issue tonight. --Ghirla^-трёп- 09:37, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Church of St. Mary of Blachernae (Istanbul)

Hello. Would be so kind as to confirm the references you placed on the Church of St. Mary of Blachernae (Istanbul) article? You added sentences in some of the reference citations and I am not sure if they are direct quotes or your personal assessments.

Nevertheless, I took the liberty of enhancing your article and hope to collaborate with you on improving your masterpiece even further. Deucalionite (talk) 21:16, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

DYK

On 15 July, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Church of St. Mary of Blachernae (Istanbul), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Gatoclass (talk) 03:42, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Template:Churches-Mosques in Istanbul

Hi. Is the above categorized under Greek navigational boxes because the Churches-Mosques and Istanbul feature in Greece's history..? (Sorry for my ignorance.) Sardanaphalus (talk) 06:27, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

• Thanks for your reply. It made sense as soon as I read "Constantinople", which I'd forgotten was Istanbul's former name. I'll now amend the template's categorization to include Greece history templates. Sardanaphalus (talk) 09:58, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

{{Mosques in Turkey}}: Yes, I think I'd agree. There should be a category anyway, but what might be worthwhile would be a template of "notable" mosques and/or a few smaller templates linking mosque articles by area of Turkey (provinces?). There may not be much point doing that, though. Sardanaphalus (talk) 10:54, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
PS I guess I'm more "obsessed" by templates than a programming "specialist"!

Constantinople map

Hello Alessandro! Long time no see! How are you? Everything fine, I hope. I have just uploaded a map of Constantinople, based on Janin's map, with the roads & various other corrections/additions gathered by various more recent sources. However, since you have better access to bibliography concerning the City than I at the moment, I would be very glad if you could check it for errors and omissions whenever you have time. It's been rather long in the making, but I cannot rule out that any mistakes did not slip in (especially with me being a noob in making svg's, and having to redraw the topography alone three times to get it right). Cheers, and best regards, Constantine ✍ 23:53, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Oh. I am sorry to hear that. Whatever it is, hopefully you'll get over it. Take your time with the map, any help will be appreciated, but health comes first! My best wishes, and perastika, as we say in Greece. Constantine ✍ 20:01, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Istanbul

Hello buddy. When you will be in Istanbul again? - Darwinek (talk) 12:56, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh, hope you will get well and it won't be serious. I am already there, since the start of October. Will stay at least until June. Let me know when you will come here again. - Darwinek (talk) 12:49, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Long time, no news from you. How are you doing? Is everything ok with you? Are you still sometimes in Istanbul? -- Darwinek (talk) 17:35, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

SOAP

I reverted your edit on Soap (disambiguation) because SOAP doesnt stand for Simple Object Access Protocol anymore. Since it seems to be that a lot of different editors want to add this, perhaps we could add "formerly known as" or some such thing, but to state that it actually still does stand for that would be technically incorrect. -- Soap ^Talk/_{Contributions} 16:48, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Kalymnos

Please do not call my edits vandalism. I have explained my rationale on the talkpage. WP:NCGN is quite clear "Use modern English names for titles and in articles. Historical names or names in other languages can be used in the lead if they are frequently used and important enough to be valuable to readers, and should be used in articles with caution." Turks and Italians never settled on the island, they were only rulers. Please assume good faith and discuss on the talkpage, thank you. --Athenean (talk) 06:14, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Meis

Dear Alex, "Kızılhisar", which is synonymous with the Italian name, sounds a bit old and there are few (but reliable) sources which use that name (eg this one). Judging from that, I assume we may consider this name as old/Ottoman Turkish. If you think there is no point in indicating such a rare name, I might delete it. Filanca (talk) 18:01, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Rome

I've replied to you on the Rome discussion page--Theologiae (talk) 17:57, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Yeşilköy

Dear Alessandro, you wrote: "This info belongs to the voice about the peak, not here." As a matter of fact it belongs to both places; surely the information that there is a peak named after the settlement is relevant to the settlement and its article. Best, Apcbg (talk) 08:00, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Well, it is explicitly stated (and sourced) that the peak is named after the settlement (in connection with the Treaty too).

Second, the case of Rome; if you have a great number of geographic features named after that city, then of course it would be better to have separate article (or list) of these, with a reference to it in the Rome article. However, if there is just one or a couple of such features, then it would be more appropriate to mention them in the original article (in this case the Yeşilköy article).

And finally, I agree with you that the information may not have been inserted in the best place (I had that feeling too), please feel free (if you agree that it is relevant) to put it anyplace you may consider more suitable. Best, Apcbg (talk) 08:34, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I have been several times there, in the Antarctic Peninsula region. Didn't see many Italians though, as they are mainly working far away in East Antarctica. Best, Apcbg (talk) 09:08, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Many thanks, Alessandro. Best, Apcbg (talk) 11:22, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Geographical names in Antarctica usually come from several different fields, including names of world or national geography, history and culture; see here for some standard guidelines that are quite similar for the nations that are active in Antarctica and give names there. For a collection of all names and their descriptions, see this link given in the article Composite Gazetteer of Antarctica. Incidentally, that international gazetteer was originally developed for the Antarctic community by the Italian Programma Nazionale di Ricerche in Antartide who have done a superb work on that. Best, Apcbg (talk) 11:56, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Let us hope that doesn't happen ... Italy is neither Greece nor Portugal, that would be a major problem for the EU.

It would be nice to have wikipedia articles also for the Antarctic geographical features with Italian names. One may find their descriptions in English here, performing a search with parameter "Country of origin" = 'Italy' and "Number of records" = 'unlimited', that would produce all Italian names (53 names) together with their descriptions. Best, Apcbg (talk) 15:44, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Dear Alessandro, apologies for my belated response. Well, the established international agreement and practice is that each country gives names in Antarctica in its own language which may or may not be English, but names should be Romanized i.e. converted to Latin alphabet not in their original Cyrillic, Chunese, Indian or Japanese script. Yes I am using descriptions from the Composite Gazetteer of Antarctica. Copyright is not a problem I believe as it applies to the form of expression not to the content; those descriptions usually comprise just few sentences of factual information: name, coordinates, location in the relevant region of Antarctica, possibly some distances to other features, and possibly a very brief physical description of the geographical feature – if at all. One could easily write a brief wiki article (rather a stub) based on that, citing the Gazetteer as a reference. Hope this helps. Best, Apcbg (talk) 10:00, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

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your contributions

Hi, I'd like to say that I appreciate all of your works about Turkey, espacially Istanbul. I've been translation them into Turkish. They are all rich in content. Thanks for all your contributions. Greetings from Istanbul. --Stambouliote (talk) 15:21, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Borgo again

Hi Alessandro57. Thanks for your note. I've replied (at some length I'm afraid) on my Talk page. Skinsmoke (talk) 13:56, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Rioni of the City of Rome

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A heartfelt "welcome back"!

You beat me to the greeting :)! Glad to see you back here after so long. Thanks for the appreciative comments, I look forward to work with you once again! Cheers, Constantine ✍ 09:16, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Alas, no... I've been dying to go again to the City for a couple of years now, especially with the Yenikapi dig going on, but haven't found either the time or the money to do so. I really envy you your trips there ;) If you have any photos, please please upload them in Commons. Constantine ✍ 09:28, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Ah, I see. Pity... Anyhow, I am chiefly interested in the ships found at Yenikapi for the Byzantine navy article, do you have any info on them? So far I have only been able to find bits and pieces online. Constantine ✍ 10:31, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Food in Rome

I've replied to you on the discussion page regarding the "matriciana" issue ;-) Nubifer (talk) 21:09, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Cuisine of Lazio

Thanks for adding the Cuisine of the Lazio categories to relevant articles. One thing: in English, we don't say "the Lazio", but just "Lazio". I'd recommend that you change the category to Cuisine of Lazio. --Macrakis (talk) 17:10, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

re:Kosmidion

Hello Alessandro! The suburb of Kosmidion did indeed receive its name from the Monastery of Saints Cosmas and Damian, it is very well attested. Now, as to the Roman church, the article's info could also be true. "Kosmos/Kosmema" is the Greek word for "ornament" (hence "Cosmos"). If the church had been named after St Cosmas, a relation to Kosmidion would be tenable, but as it stands, there doesn't seem to be a reason for the two to be related. From a brief search in Google Books, the article's claim seems to be valid... Cheers, Constantine ✍ 12:14, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Nope, it is correct. I Had created the redirect as a first step to (eventually) writing a short article about the quarter and the monastery, since Kosmidion is actually a small part of the modern district of Eyup. I have only the ODB with its small relevant passage to go on, so, since you have access to Janin, a most excellent source, if you want to, go ahead and make a start. Constantine ✍ 15:04, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Ah, I see. I added the name. Pity about Janin, I did hope he'd say more. Most of the books I have on Constantinople have next to nothing on Kosmidion. :( Constantine ✍ 15:33, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Italian cuisine

Thanks for your recent contribution to Italian cuisine:

In 1790, Francesco Leonardi in his book L'Apicio moderno ("Modern Apicius") sketches an history of the Italian Cuisine from the Roman Age and gives as first a recipe of a tomato based sauce.

I am not sure what you mean by "gives as first" -- this is not standard English syntax. Do you mean that this is the first mention of a tomato-based sauce in Italian cuisine? This sounds plausible, but it would be nice to have a reliable source for this claim (not just a primary source)? Thanks, --Macrakis (talk) 14:21, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

The Oxford Companion to Food discusses this and cites additional sources you might want to look at. --Macrakis (talk) 14:57, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Pege

Great article, I was always meaning to write it myself, but never got around to it. It is indeed a beautiful place, albeit for a Greek rather a sad one... Constantine ✍ 12:20, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Sad because in a few years, the Balikli graveyards will be all that's left of the Greek community in the City... And after they are gone, I don't think the Turkish government will care much to maintain the place. Constantine ✍ 12:40, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

From your mouth to God's ear, as the saying goes... :) Constantine ✍ 12:56, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Church of St. Mary of of the Source (Istanbul)

Hi, I would have no problem passing the article with the current hook, but if we can think of something catchier, I'm pretty convinced we can make it a more popular DYK. Do let me know if you insist on the current hook, or you could perhaps come up with a few other suggestions. If you'd like, I could try to think of a few alternative hooks too :) Best, — Toдor Boжinov — 15:05, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

I tried to summarize the part about the frying fish in a hook, you may take a look and improve it, if you like, or suggest a different wording. Ideally, I think it should be mostly your choice as to which hook is the best. The church certainly offers at least a few truly interesting possibilities though :) — Toдor Boжinov — 10:47, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

I tweaked it a little since it's not a proper name anymore, otherwise it's cool. I'm not sure I can verify a hook that I have had a hand in suggesting though, will have to ask around :) — Toдor Boжinov — 13:10, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Ah, didn't know you meant that. But then wouldn't it have to be "fall of The City" as opposed to "Fall of the City"? And then again, I think the name was to be found in Greek usage, not in English... so I'd rather we keep it as it currently is. Up to you, of course :) Best, — Toдor Boжinov — 13:32, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Well, it's certainly educating for the reader, so we could try. Might be a good idea to ask for the opinion of someone unfamiliar with the topic though, we want the hook to be easy to understand :) Best, — Toдor Boжinov — 14:01, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome, mate. Another quality addition to the series :) It's good for DYK, I reckon. — Toдor Boжinov — 17:04, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Barnstar of WikiProject Greece
		For a series of interesting and always well-referenced articles on Constantinople/Istanbul and its churches and other monuments, highlighting the rich and varied history of these oft-neglected "lesser" buildings, as well as an eclectic smattering of other Greece-related articles, I hereby award you the official barnstar of WikiProject Greece! Keep up the great work! Constantine ✍ 19:16, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Believe me you deserve it. And I am sure that somewhere along the way, a WPTR award will come too... Cheers, Constantine ✍ 09:55, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Well done, as usual. I made a few cosmetic changes, added a map, and tagged a couple of problematic places. What do you mean by "freed" in the second paragraph of the History section? Constantine ✍ 12:50, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

OK, I fixed it (I think) :). Cheers, Constantine ✍ 13:41, 29 October 2010 (UTC)