User talk:Alarich2

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Your rudeness is uncalled for

"Shut up" is not a polite term in everyday life or on Wikipedia. You are violating both WP:Civility and No personal attacks (when you imply I don't know what I'm talking about), both of which you can find at the top of the ORT talk page.

On the substance of your edit, which I will not revert immediately, you are mistaken. The ORT is a conference for academics, not for people in the publishing industry. Hence, it is the usage of academics that we should be following, not that of publishers. Neither on my CV nor the many others that I've seen will you see the publishing term "contributed volume." You see "edited volume" instead. Academic38 (talk) 05:53, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Criticism understood and taken. Frankly, though, looking at the rest of the discussion, my crabbiness is the least of this particular community's worries.

As to the proposed intervention, it is first of all my original wording that is being edited, now for the second time—not yours. Second, there is no matter of substance at hand. The objection you express is a difference over the proper term of art, and that is a matter of usage. Third, your logic that because the ORT is not a publishing conference, standard publishing terminology should not be used here to describe a book that arose out of one of its meetings is misguided. Style and usage decisions in this Wikipedia article should be based on the intended audience of this Wikipedia article, not on the intended audience of the subject of this Wikipedia article, and Wikipedia's audience is all-inclusive.

Here "edited volume" is not wrong, but "contributed volume" is more precise, and so I prefer it. This may be my turn to raise a point of civility. You and I are not going to say everything using exactly the same words, and if material you contribute is phrased differently from the wording I would use to describe the same thing, I will refrain from rewording your text, unless there's some other matter of fact, clarity, or consistency involved. As the originator of this passage, I expect the same deference to my wording of the information being offered, which was chosen for the reason just stated. Alarich2 (talk) 18:00, 25 October 2008 (UTC)