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Edit Request

Hi, could you please review the sections in La Luz Del Mundo article that are tagged for close paraphrasing and remove them if you do not find any issues involving paraphrasing? I would do this myself, however I think it would be best if another editor were to do this. Thanks for your contributions. Fordx12 (talk) 19:13, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Unfortunately I have been very busy lately, but I'll see what I can do. Ajaxfiore (talk) 19:19, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Edit warring warning

It would be best to stop any future reversions or edit modifications in La Luz del Mundo for the time being as this may constitute as edit warring WP:EDITWAR. It may be best to seek dispute resolution at this point. The third editor of said article will receive this same message Fordx12 (talk) 01:03, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

I have added a section in the talk page here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:La_Luz_del_Mundo#Edit_Issues so we can all discuss this issue Fordx12 (talk) 01:07, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi, it seems that RidjalA has gone ahead and ignored any calls for a compromise. Refraining from editing the LDM page is, at this point, pointless. You should, if you wish, continue editing the page. Just make sure that you do not break the 3 revert role found here WP:3RR If RidjalA continues to edit war, this is the proper location to report those actions WP:AN3. Thank you for your cooperation in attempting to reach a consensus. Fordx12 (talk) 14:19, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Request for Comment on user conduct

I am creating a reference for comment on user conduct of RidjalA. This is a tool used to invite outside input and meant to help hammer out differences and set things straight, not to punish a user. So with that in mind, I ask you to contribute to this page since two users are needed and we both have encountered the same problem with him. I wish to continue working with RidjalA, but right now it is difficult to do so until he or she is able to see their actions clearly. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/RidjalA Fordx12 (talk) 18:07, 3 November 2012 (UTC) You need to provide text explaining your links in the "Evidence for disputed behvior" section. Fordx12 (talk) 19:54, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi, now you need to edit the "Attempts by certifier 2" section like I did here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/RidjalA#Attempts_by_certifier_Fordx12 where you should show how you personally attempted to resolve this issue. Fordx12 (talk) 00:01, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

I will be moving it into the "candadite" list (which I should have earlier). Tomorrow night I will work on editing it and finish incorporating the remaining points. I will inform RidjalA once it is finalized and moved to the certified list. Thank you for your assistance. Fordx12 (talk) 05:04, 4 November 2012 (UTC)


RFC discussion of User:RidjalA

A request for comments has been filed concerning the conduct of RidjalA (talk · contribs). You are invited to comment on the discussion at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/RidjalA. -- Fordx12 (talk) 16:15, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

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Concerns regarding edit reversions

This is concerning the reverts discussed here [1]. If you feel an editor is introducing poorly sourced information respectively, getting admin assistance or reporting it to another user who may be able to help is the best thing to do to avoid edit warring. Be aware that there are exemptions to the rule, but consistent back and forth can still be problematic as it may leave the other editor feeling threatened or uncomfortable. Read this wiki policy here [WP:EW]. It provides suggestions and examples that will be helpful in the future to avoid this problematic pattern. Fordx12 (talk) 00:23, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

I believe that it would be best to give RidjalA an apology on his/her talkpage and to respond to the Third Opinion editor here [2]. I understand where you are coming from and you meant no harm. However, I doubt that RidjalA understands this. Fordx12 (talk) 00:45, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

November 2012

Hello, I'm Jim1138. I noticed that you recently removed some content from El Norte (Monterrey) without explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry, the removed content has been restored. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks, Jim1138 (talk) 06:00, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

November 14, 2012

Stop Hi Ajaxfiore, I've reverted your recent removal of material twice on La Luz del Mundo. This is my second notice (the fist one here) At the suggestion of one admin, I'm providing you with the proper channels for discussion on proposed revisions to contentious material so as to avoid another edit war.

Discussion on proposed changes to possibly contentious material related to the controversy section can be found here and the one specific to your last revision here. Thanks. RidjalA (talk) 18:49, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

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NEET UG Negative Marking

There is indeed negative marking in NEET as written on the official site: http://cbseneet.nic.in/cbseneet/faq.html (See number 36) also TOI reported on 4th dec 2012: http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-12-04/nagpur/35593562_1_neet-national-eligibility-negative-marks Your source is of 2011, and NEET has changed considerably since then. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flipsin (talk • contribs) 15:27, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

My bad, I'm sorry about that. Ajaxfiore (talk) 15:43, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

DRN case input needed

Hi. I noticed you were making several edits to the La Luz del Mundo article today. Would you mind waiting on that for a few days, and helping out with the discussion at the DRN case at WP:DRN? It is probably best if we all have a discussion on the DRN page, and come to consensus first, then resume editing the article afterwards. Does that sound okay? --Noleander (talk) 23:04, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

✓Done. Ajaxfiore (talk) 12:52, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

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✓Done. Ajaxfiore (talk) 12:53, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Your request for rollback

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Thanks, I will keep that in mind. Ajaxfiore (talk) 12:55, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

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✓Done. Ajaxfiore (talk) 12:53, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Mecca

hi i didnt know how to send my message across to you and hence writing here...this is pertaining to my post on Mecca...i wanted to add some details which people may not have known previously...could you give me a reason on why my comments were removed. Cosmic.tripper (talk • contribs)

Hi there. This is the correct way to contact other editors on Wikipedia (see WP:UP). Your contribution to Mecca did not cite any sources. It is important that any new addition to an article (especially one such as Mecca) be supported by reliable sources (see WP:VERIFY, WP:RELIABLE, and WP:CITE). Edits must also follow Wikipedia's Manual of Style (see WP:STYLE), i.e. there is no need to capitalize words such as "NOT". If what you have written merits inclusion in the article, I suggest you mention it in talk page (Talk:Mecca), perhaps editors there might be willing to help you. Ajaxfiore (talk) 21:58, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

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Discussion in La Luz del Mundo

Hi, I wanted to share the Bold, Revert, Discuss WP:CYCLE so that we may adhere to it when we disagree on our edits. So far, I've noticed that you've only been Bold and have Reverted, but not started a discussion following your repeated reversions here. Furthermore, I feel that we may have too much of a vetted interest in the La Luz del Mundo page, and to avoid WP:COI and WP:SPA concerns, would ask that if you feel your contribution may be controversial (i.e. that it may be reverted) that it be discussed in advance on the article talk page for the rest of the community to discuss. Note that I will be doing the same. Thank you for your time. RidjalA (talk) 07:09, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

I am fully aware of the BRD cycle WP:CYCLE, and I'm certain I have abided by Wikipedia's policies. I have also used the talk page whenever it was necessary, and discussed "controversial" edits. I've noticed you continue to violate Wikipedia's WP:NPA policy, and you continue to try to intimidate users by threatening to ban/block them. As for the WP:COI and WP:SPA concerns, I think our contributions speak for themselves:
Ajaxfiore (talk) 13:05, 18 December 2012 (UTC)


Editor with the single most contributions to La Luz Del Mundo? Yes, our contributions certainly speak for themselves: you lead the pack with 189 revisions. How am I intimidating anyone by pointing out facts like these, and that by your edit patterns I believe you're overly sympathetic to LLDM, perhaps even a member of the church? I'm just clarifying that you appear to have a vetted interest in LLDM and ask that we refrain from making further contentious edits without opening up to discussion in advance. To be fair, I will be doing the same. Have a wonderful day, RidjalA (talk) 10:46, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

For the n-th time, please stop making unbased accusations against me, otherwise I will have to report you for violating Wikipedia policies. First you claim that most of my edits are minor fixes by saying "including typo fixes, comprise the majority of ajaxfiore's contributions" and now you seem to be attributing the whole article to me. And now you want me to consult with you before making a "contentious" edit (i.e. one that you might disagree with). As Noleander (talk) said, let's assume I am a church member and have a "vetted interest" in the article, there is no policy preventing me from editing the article. Now can we be a bit mature, and try to improve the article? Ajaxfiore (talk) 16:43, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

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marple hall

Hi, why have undone the edits and references I made to the marple hall page? You think hasslehoff really owned it or the inappropriate behaviour mentioned should remain hidden? FP — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.132.231.171 (talk) 04:30, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Your edits were identified as vandalism/libel and lacked appropriate sources. Ajaxfiore (talk) 00:42, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

I removed a comment that had described the Headteacher as "a bit of a knob".(Was the "knob" comment I removed, not libelous ?)..hardly vandalism. The same goes for removing the comment regarding David Hasslehoff as the previous owner of a stately home that was a ruin before he was even born...again, hardly vandalism or libelous. I mentioned a former teacher having been found guilty of abusing children and sentenced to prison time...(I`m aware I hadn`t referenced the court date)..not vandalism in my view and not libelous either. I mentioned another teacher, guilty of indecent exposure in front of a pupil (hard to reference when I didn`t report the incident for more than 20 years) and made mention of him since having died. Where is the vandalism in any of that? As one of the two teachers is now dead, I assume your libel comment is soley in respect of the convicted paedophile?

I shall edit the Marple Hall site again and ask that you leave it alone this time, as there`re no grounds for protecting these monsters that prey on children. LodFP (talk) 10:25, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

You are more than welcome to contribute valuable information as long as you adhere to Wiki policies, specifically WP:BLP. Ajaxfiore (talk) 20:25, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for pointing me in the right direction ie WP:BLP and also for editing my (talk) page. Message received and understood. LodFP —Preceding undated comment added 20:46, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

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January 2013

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 24 hours for your disruption caused by edit warring and violation of the three-revert rule at La Luz del Mundo. During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. If you would like to be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the text {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}} below this notice, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. —Darkwind (talk) 02:34, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
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Request reason:

I have been blocked for edit-warring on La Luz del Mundo, which seems like a logical conclusion since I (as a prime contributor to the article) reverted repeated vandalism. However, the editor WikiNuevo has added original research and removed large chunks of sourced information. The editor's edits clearly violate neutrality policy (eg Founder's illegitimate child). There has been lots of discussion in the talk page regarding section headings, wording, reliable sources with several editors. The user's only contribution in the talk page has been unbased accusations against me. Please have a look at the talk page and edits to the article.

Decline reason:

You claim that you were reverting vandalism, but I see no reason at all to see the edits a vandalism. "Vandalism" has a specific meaning, and does not mean any edits that you think are not justified. You are blocked for edit warring, not for making edits that are mistaken, so no amount of arguing that the edits you reverted were original research, removed sourced information, and were not neutral goes anywhere towards addressing the reasons for your block. (Although perhaps not directly relevant, your remark about being "a prime contributor to the article" looks dangerously like a claim of ownership. The fact that a particular person has written much of the content of an article does not give them any more right to control its content than any other editor.) JamesBWatson (talk) 10:09, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

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Comment: For reference, Ajaxfiore (t c) emailed me (very politely) to request that I reconsider his block because he felt he was reverting vandalism. I replied that NOT3RR #4 doesn't apply because the other editor's changes were not "obvious vandalism". —Darkwind (talk) 05:39, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
Clarification: I am not trying to claim ownership of the article. I meant to say that because I am a contributor to the article, it seemed like I was edit-warring, not reverting vandalism. Ajaxfiore (talk) 12:21, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
Thank you both for your comments, I will keep these in mind when editing. Ajaxfiore (talk) 23:02, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

While you're waiting...

I'd like to welcome you to start a conversation at the Luz Del Mundo talk page. I'll be more than happy to discuss any of our nearly-polarized differing philosophies on how to best improve that article. CheersRidjalA (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 06:22, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

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The Black Belles

the reason nothing was their is because the information was incorrect I just thought I'd let you know cuz I was in the middle of editing — Preceding unsigned comment added by Violetcries (talk • contribs) 16:45, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

hi sorry if any relaible citations may have gone missing in all the editing and undoing. All my edits had reliable citatiosn as far as I kmnow, let me know any that haven't. Meanwhile will undo your undo — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.30.146.240 (talk) 02:18, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

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Thanks for letting me know, I have signed the comments now. I was in a hurry and forgot to add my signature, although I thought I was logged in. The fact that you were immediately able to tell it was me is evidence enough to suggest that I have nothing to hide. Next time, it would be best to notify the editor who inadvertently revealed his IP address via email so that he can contact Oversight. Ajaxfiore (talk) 16:15, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
I noted it here because I thought that if it had been you, it was a perfectly reasonable oversight. It may not have been you. In either case, I thought it would be much less useful to other editors and the community if it were a conversation that were held privately than if it were held publicly. If, as a dispute resolution volunteer, I were seen to be having private contact with someone involved in a dispute i am attempting to help mediate, that could be seen as problematic if the dispute were to escalate and be seen by other editors, even if the content of the discussion was completely innocuous. I hope that helps to clarify my concerns and reasoning. -- UseTheCommandLine (talk) 20:29, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
I completely understand and would have done something similar in your situation. It seems like the DRN case will most likely close due to lack of participation. Anyway, thank you for all your help. Happy editing. Ajaxfiore (talk) 22:23, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

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Hitler is kaput is not a 2008 russian film? --84.102.70.81 (talk) 23:02, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

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The one you uploaded looks good; there's JPEG artifacting in it, but that shouldn't be an issue at the low resolutions the logo will be used at. However for better attribution, can you also add a link to the {{Non-free use rationale logo|source=}} parameter indicating the source file from which you cropped it? TheFeds 06:03, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

I have added the link for the source file. Thanks for your help. This is how it looks on the article: La Luz del Mundo. I left it at the default 200px. Ajaxfiore (talk) 16:25, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

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Hi for Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Prof.Dr Nasir Ansar you tagged with db-A7

A7 and anything starting with A's only applies to articles. We do not delete AFC attempts for no claim of importance, instead just decline and let the writer improve it. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:33, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. I will keep that in mind. I apologize for the inconvenience that caused. Ajax F¡oretalk 00:43, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

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DYK for Casitas del Sur case

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Janus U & Newport U

Hello Ajax. You set up this redirect for Janus_University to go to Newport University (California). But really the NU article has no verification that shows Janus as the successor. I recommend that you set up a new article for Janus University. You can compose the article and then just revise the redirect. (I think.) – S. Rich (talk) 23:47, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know, I did not realize the Newport website is now offline. I will add a source shortly. Ajax F¡oretalk 23:53, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
. – S. Rich (talk) 23:58, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

October 2013

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Response: when your block expires, you are welcome to file a report in the appropriate forum. And you can be blocked for edit warring without breaching WP:3RR.--Bbb23 (talk) 02:16, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
@Ajaxfiore, if you want to ask questions about your block or ask to be unblocked, you need to do that here on this page.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:32, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
No need to. Block has expired. Ajax F¡oretalk 03:19, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Sanjuana Martínez

The article Sanjuana Martínez has been proposed for deletion because it appears to have no references. Under Wikipedia policy, this newly created biography of a living person will be deleted unless it has at least one reference to a reliable source that directly supports material in the article.

If you created the article, please don't be offended. Instead, consider improving the article. For help on inserting references, see Referencing for beginners, or ask at the help desk. Once you have provided at least one reliable source, you may remove the {{prod blp}} tag. Please do not remove the tag unless the article is sourced. If you cannot provide such a source within ten days, the article may be deleted, but you can request that it be undeleted when you are ready to add one. MatthewVanitas (talk) 20:42, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Teahouse talkback: you've got messages!

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Please note that all old questions are archived after 2-3 days of inactivity. Message added by ; 23:33 . . (+???) . . Ross Hill (Talk) 02:30, 15 October 2013 (UTC). (You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{teahouse talkback}} template.

La Luz del Mundo


Good Article barnstar

The Good Article Barnstar
Congratulations for your work on La Luz del Mundo, which was recently promoted to Good Article status. It is a very interesting/well-researched article, and I want to thank you for your professionalism while you worked with me during the GA process. The best of luck to you on your future projects. All the best, ComputerJA (☎ • ✎) 02:37, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
Thanks ComputerJA, the article significantly improved because of your corrections and suggestions. Ajaxfiore (talk) 14:26, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

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Text on Talk:Jorge Erdely Graham was redacted by a Wikimedia Foundation email response volunteer. You reinstated it. The text was, as stated, in violation of WP:BLP. This applies everywhere, including talk pages. If you do this again, you will be blocked. Please don't. You are free to rephrase your comments in terms that are compliant with policy. Guy (Help!) 21:55, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Ferry Mayne

I have a msg from you regarding a submission about Ferdy Mayne. Not onl do I not know who this person is, I have also never made any comment on any subject on Wikipaedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.210.1.85 (talk) 23:38, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Editor Review

Hello, I have responded to your request for editor review. You can view my feedback at Wikipedia:Editor review/Ajaxfiore. (Megatron Omega (talk) 02:16, 11 March 2014 (UTC))

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can you tell me what you undid thank you

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