User talk:Jairon Levid Abimael Caál Orozco

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Gerard Gertoux (August 16)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by LR.127 was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

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LR.127 (talk) 20:04, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Gerard Gertoux (August 30)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by LR.127 was:  The comment the reviewer left was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

• If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Gerard Gertoux and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
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• If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

LR.127 (talk) 03:20, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

I have sent you a note about a page you started

Hi Jairon Levid Abimael Caál Orozco. Thank you for your work on Élie Belorizky. Another editor, Ldm1954, has reviewed it as part of new pages patrol and left the following comment:

Please rewrite so it follows the standard sourcing and format, then use AfC. His notability is not obvious.

To reply, leave a comment here and begin it with {{Re|Ldm1954}}. (Message delivered via the Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer.)

Ldm1954 (talk) 08:39, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Élie Belorizky moved to draftspace

Thanks for your contributions to Élie Belorizky. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because it needs to be rewritten both to WP standards and to prove notability. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page OR move the page back. Ldm1954 (talk) 08:40, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

I have sent you a note about a page you started

Hi Jairon Levid Abimael Caál Orozco. Thank you for your work on Yves Ayant. Another editor, Ldm1954, has reviewed it as part of new pages patrol and left the following comment:

As written this page does not prove notability, and I don't find other material. Please revise.

To reply, leave a comment here and begin it with {{Re|Ldm1954}}. (Message delivered via the Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer.)

Ldm1954 (talk) 11:59, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Yves Ayant moved to draftspace

Thanks for your contributions to Yves Ayant. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because it needs more sources to establish notability and there is nothing here that demonstrates notability, see NPROF. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page OR move the page back. Ldm1954 (talk) 12:00, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Gerard Gertoux has been accepted

Gerard Gertoux, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.

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🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 08:13, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

October 2024

Welcome to Wikipedia and thank you for your contribution(s). However, as a general rule, while user talk pages permit a small degree of generalisation, other talk pages such as Talk:Gerard Gertoux are strictly for discussing improvements to their associated main pages, and many of them have special instructions on the top. They are not a general discussion forum about the article's topic or any other topic. If you have questions or ideas and are not sure where to post them, consider asking at the Teahouse. Thanks. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 15:17, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

I just tried to respond to the discussion on the COATRACK presumption. Thanks for the advice, and have a nice day.--Jairon Levid Abimael Caál Orozco (talk) 15:22, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

No. What you did was add a load of stuff that was not German to the conversation. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 16:05, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Nomination of Gerard Gertoux for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Gerard Gertoux is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gerard Gertoux until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished.

🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 16:21, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

I have been thinking about this long and hard. It seems to me that, as the accepting reviewer, I am pretty well placed to nominate for a deletion discussion. It was a borderline acceptance, and my studying it now suggests to me that it was on the incorrect side of the border.

In case you are unfamiliar with WP:AFD, any editor at all is entitled to voice their opinion. That opinion should be based upon policy and must be concise and well argued. You are, of course, entitled to offer your opinion.

Generally, the discussion runs for seven days, after which an uninvolved editor, usually an administrator, will summarise the arguments presented, with particular regard to policy based arguments, and will state the consensus, if consensus there be. If there is no obvious consensus the discussion may be extended formally for up to two further formal seven day periods.

What they do not do is to "count votes" because this is not a ballot. They summarise the consensus reached. They also are not entitled to a "supervote" - they must not add their own opinions when closing the discussion.

At the conclusion, the community will have spoken, which is far better than just me, or just you. We then accept the consensus whether we agree with it or not. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 20:37, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. --Jairon Levid Abimael Caál Orozco (talk) 21:14, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

It seemed more polite to add something personal. A bald templated message is essential, but an explanation is far better, the more so since you have worked hard on the article.

I accepted it as a borderline decision primary to expose it to the chance of community improvement. IT was, on acceptance, a portmanteau article seeking to cover a multitude of topics. Generally we expect one subject per article, hence my concerns expressed previously.

Improving the article is still possible, even when nominated for deletion. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 22:57, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

You are dancing very close to WP:BLUDGEON

This is not a good look. Deletion discussion require policy based arguments not vague blandishments about some off topic material with the apparent aim of seeking to bamboozle the discussion participants and likely the closer as well. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 18:55, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. --Jairon Levid Abimael Caál Orozco (talk) 20:48, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

I came here to say the same thing. Please do not feel compelled to respond to every editor's argument that you disagree with. It's not a method that helps to change anyone's mind and it just irritates other participants and reflects negatively on your own position. The basic rule of participating in AFDs is to go in, make the strongest argument you can make, evaluating the article and its sources, bring up any other reliable sources that you have located and then STOP. If additional questions come up, feel free to respond to them but do not dominate a discussion. As I said, it can actually backfire on you and cause a closer to not review your comments when they compose 50% of the discussion content. Your goal is to present such a strong argument, based in Wikipedia policy, that it persuades other editors that your position is the most accurate. That can't happen if you overwhelm a discussion. Just some unasked for advice from a frequent AFD closer. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:51, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your advice Liz, for which I will meditate, to be a better editor. I just think I worried too much about thinking there would be fairness in the article deletion discussion. Jairon Levid Abimael Caál Orozco (talk) 01:57, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Pierre Villard moved to draftspace

Thanks for your contributions to Pierre Villard. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because Fails WP:BIO. It is ether return to Draft for further and better references, or AfD. I have chosen draft. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page OR move the page back. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 00:05, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Your plea at WT:SPI

The plea was not answered in any investigative nor what one might describe as official manner. I concluded that this was because that talk page is visited all too rarely.

I have created, therefore, Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Seeker02421 which asks the question of the SPI investigation team. I am not 100% sure that you have seen this, so I commend it to you.

There is no fixed timescale for the functionaries in this area to investigate. While there is almost certainly no rush for you to comment I feel you may wish to do so in the short term future. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 23:04, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

I am really grateful to you for attending my request, in which I am interested in denying the accusation made against me. Also thank you for the work you do on wikipedia and the time you spend volunteering, sometimes without even expecting a thank you. I hope that the feeling of satisfaction of having supported an encyclopedia for the access of all people is enough for you to continue, whenever you can. --Jairon Levid Abimael Caál Orozco (talk) 00:40, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

My hope is simply that whatever the outcome of the various discussions, you feel that you have had the chance to put your points across in a fair and equitable manner. This is true whether we agree on matters or disagree.

Please do make any comments you wish at the report. All I have done is to open a rather unusual report in order toggle you that chance. These investigations are solely evidence based, so your availing yourself of the opportunity to enter yours is something I believe you will feel important. It should be brief and on topic, and about circumstances. It should not include theories, hypotheses, nor opinions.

And, thank you. This is an interesting and inspiring hobby. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 08:10, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

That discussion has now closed, with the outcome you wished for. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 20:24, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much for helping me with that investigation procedure to disprove that accusation, which you had no idea how to initiate. I was going to initiate the process, but I was warned not to make mistakes, and I was not sure what to answer. After the investigation procedure was initiated, I did not want to participate quickly, so as not to risk committing an offense, which would be recorded and could harm someone. Now that I was going to respond, the process was already closed, and I am very happy that there is no longer any doubt and that I am being denigrated by a false accusation. I think I should take my guitar and play Master of Sockpuppets, I mean Master of Puppets. Jairon Levid Abimael Caál Orozco (talk) 03:41, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

There's no need to be dramatic. There was never an accusation of 'socking' and even the suggestion was retracted at the AfD prior to the completion of the unnecessary SPI. It remains the case that your promotion of Gertoux is awfully similar to the other editor, but it's so long ago that it doesn't really matter.--Jeffro77 Talk 09:14, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

All you have experienced is what any of us may experience at points in our time here. When something has the appearance of being unusual it is investigated. Often the matter is coincidental, not malicious. We are grateful for the investigation and move on.

You have no stain on your character, so all is good. Simply enjoy this hobby. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 10:02, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

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