User talk:Abhijeet 1998

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May 2011

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IT-BHU is not an IIT yet

Please note that the conversion of IT-BHU to IIT was not finalized, and therefore it is not counted as an IIT. According to the sources cited for Institute of Technology, Banaras Hindu University, the bill needs to be adopted by the Rajya Sabha. Judging from the past, this would only be the beginning of the process, since the official declaration of IT-BHU as an IIT will most probably come with a list of requirements to be met, and will only be made official with some ceremony. I will not be surprised if this takes several more years. In any case, please don't edit without providing citations from reliable sources, required for verification. Best regards, and happy editing. --Muhandes (talk) 06:40, 4 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

It seems like you are quite a new editor so you are not aware of Wikipedia's strict requirements for verification. Your edit, the facts of which may be true or not, did not supply any sources. You MUST cite reliable sources for anything you write. I am now at work so I don't have time to check on the actual facts. What I can say is that this edit removed facts, which had a source to support them (again, I did not check if that source is good, I'll try to do that later today or tomorrow) with unsourced information. There is only one thing I CAN do, which is revert it. I hope you understand, and I want to make it clear again, that I might revert the facts myself back to what you said, if I find the sources for it. --Muhandes (talk) 16:20, 4 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

As a quick addendum, rather than edit war on this, I suggest you please make your point on the article's talk page. That way other editors can take part in the discussion.--Muhandes (talk) 16:22, 4 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Users are expected to collaborate with others and avoid editing disruptively.

In particular, the three-revert rule states that:

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Edit war, sources

I urge you again to stop the edit war. I point you to the requirement for verification by citing reliable sources for the third time. On my end, I give you my word that I will have a look at the data you provided at my talk page (which I now don't have time to look at) tomorrow, and try to correct the article myself, if reliable sources are found. You can do that yourself, of course, but please cite the sources. --Muhandes (talk) 17:37, 4 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Muhandes,

Thanks for telling me the reason for you dispute and for reminding me the rules of Wikipedia. I may have used my login recently, but I have followed and used wikipedia since its inception. I understand that you are one of the large contributors of wikipedia and thanks to people like you, information is free. However, believe me, I have no interest in any sort of "edit war" with you or anyone. I provided you the parent link thinking that would follow through the news articles. Nevertheless, I am providing you the links in the order to latest to the oldest event. Also, I am reverting the changes back to your old article (In the process, wikipedia identified ME involved in the edit war, but never mind). I understand that you are busy, and so am I. The links I provide are plenty and may take time. However, I would suggest to see the bill, as that is the most authentic source of information on required changes for conversion and inclusion of new IITs into the Institutes of Technology Act-1961. Please let me know in a few days about your take. In the mean time, I have no objection to keeping the article as you have kept it. However, I hope you trust that others may also have current information, particularly those who are following some specific things. To see what legal changes are required for the conversion, the most authentic source is the bill itself which provides the required changes. Please read the bill to see what changes are required in the act to include new IITs and convert IT-BHU. http://prsindia.org/uploads/media/Institute%20of%20Technology%20Bill%202010.pdf -News articles confirming that the bill is passed in Loksabha. http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2011-03-24/india/29182519_1_iit-status-institutions-of-national-importance-new-institutes http://www.deccanherald.com/content/148456/ls-passes-bill-provide-iit.html The following link shows the debate on the bill, pointing some important legal changes being done to facilitate the conversion. Important places are marked (you can check that the domain name is of Loksabha). http://164.100.47.132/newdebate/15/7/24032011/2To3pm.pdf -News related to approval of new IITs and IT-BHU conversion to create the bill http://ibnlive.in.com/news/bill-to-declare-itbhu-as-iit-intoduced-in-ls/129916-3.html http://www.deccanherald.com/content/141106/cabinet-approves-changes-iit-amendment.html (Please note that they talk about including the new IITs, which means they are not yet included in the Act) -Steps followed by Law ministry and Expenditure committee to facilitate the conversion is provided here, which means that the legal requirements are checked before creating the bill, clarifying your concern that requirements may have to be met "after" the conversion. http://news.outlookindia.com/item.aspx?676928TNN, Mar 17, 2010, 10.44pm IST http://www.telegraphindia.com/1090908/jsp/nation/story_11464099.jsp

I hope you have the required references for accepting that this conversion is current and pacing with other IITs. Therefore, not mentioning IT-BHU while mentioning other IITs is not right.

Thank you Abhijeet 1998 (talk) 17:40, 4 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm glad you understand. I will look at all this tomorrow and do my best to correct the articles, thanks for all the sources. If I have questions I will post them here. --Muhandes (talk) 17:44, 4 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

For your reference, this is the Institutes of Technology Act -1961, as of now, which naturally does not mention the new IITs. http://www.iitm.ac.in/downloads/RTI/Act.pdf

I apologize for not finding the time for this today. I assure you it is on the top of my to do list.

A quick question though. I started going over the sources and something is not clear to me regarding the other eight IITs not covered by the Institutes of Technology Act. Do they currently not receive the budget as the old IITs do? If so, what do they currently get for being called an IIT, just the name? --Muhandes (talk) 19:13, 5 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Muhandes,

That's a great question. The Govt. wanted to create new IITs because of the increase in the demand of talented and high quality engineers. However, the process is a long one, specially modifying the Institutes of Technology Act-1961. Thus, these institutes are started and the process of including them in the act is also started in parallel. Yes, you are right in saying that currently they are merely having the names. Unless there names are included in the act, they are not essentially IITs. Rather they are registered as societies, which means that they cannot even award the Bachelor of Technology degrees, as awarded by the regular IITs that are included in the act. They can only award diplomas. The new IITs are currently operating from temporary campuses and there financial needs are small. However, they are being funded by the Central Govt. through special budgetary allocations (Govt. can always do that). I am not sure, but probably they are also being funded by the state Govts. Once they are included in the act, they will funded like a regular IIT. No special arrangements will be required for their funding. The new IITs are destined to be included in the act eventually.

In the process, IT-BHU is also selected for the conversion. IT-BHU already inducts its students from IIT-JEE, the common entrance exam for IITs, IT-BHU and ISM-Dhanbad. IT-BHU is currently funded by the University Grants Commission. Once the conversion is done, it will be funded like a regular IIT. That way, the status of the new IITs and IT-BHU are not different. The fate of the new IITs and IT-BHU are locked in the same bill, which I forwarded to you.

An article I found related to funding the new IITs. Govt. allocated a lump sum amount for the new IITs to be given to them over several years. http://www.merinews.com/article/new-iits-announced/134542.shtml.

Done I believe I made the change and sourced it correctly. Please go over it and see if I made it justice. I did not use all the sources you provided, but they were sure helpful. Feel free to make further amendments, or let me know and I'll make them. Best regards, and thanks for the help on this. --Muhandes (talk) 11:00, 9 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Muhandes, This looks nice. I feel more material can be added into the new IITs section related to them. We can do it later. This looks great as of now. Abhijeet 1998 (talk)

I agree, I added just the bare minimum. On the other hand they do have their own articles, so only common things should be added, like the budget etc. --Muhandes (talk) 16:52, 11 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]