User talk:Abdekker

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December 2008

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January 2017

I have reverted the changes you made to indent style, since the original code was in fact valid Pascal code; your changes appeared to be trying to make it look like C code. Murray Langton (talk) 14:03, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

[Abdekker] The code doesn't compile in the Delphi compiler and is not valid Pascal code. I'm a Delphi/Pascal programmer.

Hi Abdekker,

A minor point: at the end of anything you add to a talk page, you can sign your name, date, time etc. by adding 4 tilda symbols '~'.

Let's have a look at the disputed code:

  (* Example Allman code indentation style in Pascal *)
  procedure dosomething(x, y: Integer);
  begin
      while (x = y) do
      begin
          something();
          somethingelse();
      end;
  end;

For Standard Pascal see [1].

It may well be that the Delphi compiler doesn't entirely conform to standard Pascal, but the following points need to be considered:

In the line while (x = y) do , the round brackets are not required, though their presence does not harm.

In the line something(); , the round brackets are not required; just the name is enough when calling a parameterless procedure.

in the phrase (x, y: Integer) , standard Pascal uses integer or INTEGER . If Delphi insists on Integer then it is Delphi which is wrong, since the standard says that either case is acceptable.

You can respond here, since I am watching your talk page. Murray Langton (talk) 20:02, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

[AD] Hi Murray. Thanks for pointing out the 4 tilda tag. Will use at the end of this response.

AFAIK, the Delphi compiler is fully compliant with the Pascal standard. Pascal itself is not case sensitive, but for some reason I got it into my head that the latest versions of Delphi were case sensitive (or at least had an option to enforce case sensitivity). You can read about me asking this (silly) question on StackOverflow here which has an interesting trail of comments:

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/41554227/case-sensitivity-in-pascal-using-integer-as-example

The original code isn't valid Pascal code because of the procedure declaration. "procedure dosomething(x: integer, y: integer)" won't compile in any Pascal compiler because of two errors (cannot separate parameters with a comma and no semi-colon at end of line).

Correct, brackets are not required, but they are good programming practice and do no harm. They help make it explicit what is being compared.

Correct, empty brackets are not required for calling a parameterless procedure. But again it is good programming practice to use consistent method calling as in "method1();" and "method2(param1);

I've seen thousands of Pascal articles and pages of code over the years and see "Integer" most frequently, though "integer" is also used a lot. At a guess, I'd say 60-40% split. However, "INTEGER" is used vanishingly rarely, so I'd have to disagree with you that this is somehow "standard Pascal". Pascal is case-insensitive, so by definition all three examples are valid. I've no objection to using either "Integer" or "integer" in the example, but all the other changes are good (and two are essential!).

Best, AlainAbdekker (talk) 11:19, 10 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I propose to replace while (x = y) do by while x = y do since I think the latter reads better without the round brackets (those used to C/C++/Java may disagree). Murray Langton (talk) 15:28, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Murray. Sure, I've no strong objection to removing the brackets on "while x = y do", though I think you'll find a big majority of non-Pascal developers (and at least some Pascal developers such as myself) would prefer brackets here to retain familiarity with their language and more clearly identify the expression. Go ahead if you still would like to change the code. Good talking with you, best regards.