User talk:Aaronmhall

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Weddzilla.com

A tag has been placed on Weddzilla.com, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article seems to be blatant advertising that only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read the general criteria for speedy deletion, particularly item 11, as well as the guidelines on spam.

If you can indicate why the subject of this article is not blatant advertising, you may contest the tagging. To do this, please add {{hangon}} on the top of Weddzilla.com and leave a note on the article's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would help make it encyclopedic, as well as adding any citations from independent reliable sources to ensure that the article will be verifiable. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. CultureDrone (talk) 14:08, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I would submit that, since you are apparently the same Aaron Hall mentioned as a founder of the website, that you might not be the best person to write about it. You'll want to have a look at our conflict of interest guidelines, which provide additional information. Since the site launched so recently, it's unlikely to have reliable sources that discuss it - magazines, news articles, and the like. It also, as written, was composed of more than a dozen links to the company's website, which seems promotional in nature. Please add {{helpme}} to this page with a question, if you require further assistance. UltraExactZZ ^Claims~ Evidence 14:33, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

August 2008

The recent edit you made to Aaron Hall constitutes vandalism, and has been reverted. Please do not continue to vandalize pages; use the sandbox for testing. Thank you. Closedmouth (talk) 14:40, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not vandalize pages, as you did with this edit to Aaron Hall. If you continue to do so, you will be blocked from editing. StaticGull Talk 14:41, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am not sure what I did wrong - can someone help me get it fixed and back up properly?

thanksAaronmhall (talk) 14:59, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There are a couple of things. First off, since there are currently three Aaron Halls with articles on wikipedia, it's difficult to determine which would be "Aaron Hall" and which would be, for example, "Aaron Hall (singer)". Adding to that, who knows which Aaron Hall someone is searching for when they type in "Aaron Hall". So we have disambiguation pages, where we list articles with similar names. You're attempting to add an individual Aaron Hall to this page, which is inappropriate. Properly, you would create an article and then link it to this article, just as the other three Aaron Halls have individual articles that are linked here.

However, as I noted above, it's generally unacceptable to write about one's own company, and that goes double for writing about oneself. If you are notable enough to have an article, chances are good that someone else will write it. So, if you were to create an article on an "Aaron Hall" that included the information you added to Aaron Hall, it would likely be deleted due to the fact that the subject does not appear to be notable as yet. That may change; as I noted, this person's website just launched. But, until there are reliable sources that talk about this person, an article on them would be speedily deleted. Hope this helps, UltraExactZZ ^Claims~ Evidence 15:11, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

August 2008

As a courtesy to other editors, it is a Wikipedia guideline to sign your posts on talk pages, user talk pages, and WikiProject pages. To do so, simply add four tildes (~~~~) at the end of your comments. Your user name or IP address (if you are not logged in) and the date will then be automatically added along with a timestamp when you save your comment. Signing your comments helps people to find out who said something and provides them with a link to your user/talk page (for further discussion). For further info, read Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines. Thank you. StaticGull Talk 14:47, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Aaron Hall / Weddzilla.com

Hello. Here's a bit of analysis on what's going on:

Placing {{hangon}} on the article doesn't save articles from deletion. It's just an indication that you're going to fix the indicated concern as soon as possible. Of course, it can be difficult to do if you don't know what's really wrong with the article, but the reasons articles are marked for speedy deletion are listed in criteria for speedy deletion.

Specifically, in this case, CSD A7. "An article about a real person, organization (band, club, company, etc.), or web content that does not indicate why its subject is important or significant" can be deleted on sight. New articles on people, companies or websites should, plainly put, pretty much immediately tell us where the beef is. A simple example: I've built websites. I've been blogging for over a decade. That alone doesn't make me too notable - but if someone wrote several news articles about me or my website, that would probably be remarkable. Please read notability guidelines; while it's not required to have all of these indications immediately there, at least hinting that these are in order would help with keeping the articles in Wikipedia.

Weddzilla.com article was deleted under G11, because it basically would have needed a complete rewrite to comply with neutrality requirement. (Also, due to above-mentioned stuff about not having claims of significance, it would have fulfilled CSD A7 too.) Here's your original phrasing: "Weddzilla.com is an American internet website designed simplify the process of planning a wedding. Rather than the traditional way to plan a wedding - Weddzilla brings the vendors directly to the brides saving them hours of time." - This is marketspeak. If you really think about the content presented here, what does it say? "It's a site that serves people who are getting married. People getting married can save time by using this website." a) the phrase is blindingly obvious: serving customers is raison d'etre of commercial websites. b) Wikipedia does not exist to advertise web sites, I'm afraid - we need to tell what the website is and why it matters...

As far as Aaron Hall goes, the content in this page has not actually been deleted, it has just been reverted back to its previous form. The version you wrote is still out there; just hit the edit tab and you'll get the code.

You basically overwrote the earlier version of the page, which was (and now again is) a disambiguation page, that is, a page meant to tell apart subjects that have different names. In these cases, the article should get a parenthetical bit to tell these articles apart (as is the case with Aaron Hall (singer), or middle names, as in Aaron C. Hall. Instead of overwriting the disambiguation page, it really should be a different page altogether.

Then, another matter: conflict of interest. You have to be extremely careful when creating articles about yourself or organisations you represent. You can edit the articles, but you are, more than anyone else, expected to conform to Wikipedia's standards, or your contributions are risked to be seen too self-promotional - which is why most people just don't do it, because many see it as quite controversial, for a reason. In this case you really should look at Wikipedia's policies on CoI, neutrality, verifiability and reliable sources.

I'm terribly sorry I'm not more helpful today - not feeling too well and my eyes are sore. If you have any further questions, please drop me a line. --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 22:35, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Re: my talk page

Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia. However, talk pages are meant to be a record of a discussion; deleting or editing legitimate comments, as you did at User talk:Wwwwolf, is considered bad practice, even if you meant well. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 07:56, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]