User talk:A7V2/2022/July

Page moves

(Copied from User talk:The Drover's Wife#Reverts of my page moves) Hi The Drover's Wife. Could you be a bit more specific as to why you undid my recent page moves? (For example Hawkesdale back to Hawkesdale, Victoria). There is no particular requirement that all pagemoves be discussed, and note that the naming conventions at WP:NCAUST state for Australian placenames, "the name of a city or town may be used alone if the place is the primary or only topic for that name". Do you have some other objection? I am happy to start a RM if necessary, but it would be a waste of time if you are only reverting due to a lack of discussion. Thanks. A7V2 (talk) 06:51, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

This has been an extremely contentious area going back many years, from a convention where all place names were at "place, state" to a kind of truce that has basically boiled down to "both are okay", resolved by discussion in individual cases where there's a dispute. Things that aren't okay? Mass undiscussed moves that try to shift the status quo en masse. If you didn't know the history, then there it is - but I gotta say, these mass moves in small blocks at a time that are more likely to fly under the radar sure looks what someone would be doing if they did know the history and wanted to have another crack at brute-forcing the issue. The Drover's Wife (talk) 10:14, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

@The Drover's Wife Thanks for letting me know. I have done others in the past and nothing happened in terms of reverts or anything. I can't remember where I read it but I remember seeing something along the lines of something stating that the convention for Australian placenames had changed "recently" (but what I read was at least a couple of years old), and due to what it says in WP:NCAUST as well as WP:CONCISE/WP:CRITERIA ("The title is no longer than necessary to identify the article's subject and distinguish it from other subjects") I had assumed this wouldn't be an issue. I've been making these moves while checking that disambiguation pages contain links to Victorian places and looking for junk/incorrect redirects, not particularly looking to move articles, but it's not an area I've edited in much until recently. I'll leave these alone now for the time being though I don't agree that we should be keeping these unnecessarily disambiguated titles. A7V2 (talk) 23:25, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

@The Drover's Wife Nah, you're going to have to do better than "it's controversial because it's controversial, dude trust me". If you have an actual problem with the moves, elucidate them. This is exactly the kind of behaviour that led to you putting that 'retired' tag on your userpage.--Cjhard (talk) 04:08, 1 July 2022 (UTC)