User talk:86A32980X
Questions about rules
[edit]Regardless of whether he's a foreigner or not, since he doesn't respond, doesn't that mean it's okay to change the map in the information box? I'm not that familiar with the rules of English Wikipedia, the article appears to be set to "semi-protected", I don't have access to that editing feature. 163.136.36.58 (talk) 09:39, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- In my opinion, changing the map to a more accurate one will improve the overall quality of the article and encourage more people to become interested in Chinese history through Wikipedia. 163.136.36.56 (talk) 10:01, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- People sleep and do other things sometimes, you know. Making repeated changes against established consensus is considered disruptive, even if you think they're right. Remsense诉 10:17, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Then what is the “established consensus”? I never seen any people was agree using this weird picture to be the title map of Article of Tang Dynasty.
- Also, you mean all the people have sleep for 1 month, right? If not, then why the Article of Tang Dynasty only have 3 edit after 31 March? 86A32980X (talk) 11:26, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Probably because no one found the arguments convincing and the current map remains fully sourced. At some point I do not know what to tell you because you didn't find it convincing when Kanguole or Aza24 make points, and you have some idea that we're treating China less favorably than other historical empires, which I probably have the opposite bias about frankly. Your argumentation never seems to land on whether this map is inaccurate, or whether it's not the best date to use, and you never make any arguments as to why it should be a different date. Believe it or not, I don't think the 1980 atlas is unreliable, though you've already assumed I do. Remsense诉 11:38, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- 既然你看得懂中文，那我就不用英文說話了，免得要略去部份意思。
- 如果某些人有意見，那就提出來，別真的像睡著了一樣。
- 如果他們沒有具體意見，那就表達清楚自己同意與否，不同意的話，就說清楚自己為什麼不同意。
- 就是這麼簡單，這個很難理解嗎？
- 還有，你說我從來沒有討論過的那些問題，我在唐朝條目的討論頁已經討論過一次，最開始我就說過那張地圖有很多問題，也說過為什麼661年不能視作唐朝最鼎盛的一年、以及為什麼要用742年那張地圖取代現有那張。如果你認為提出不算爭論的話，隨便你，畢竟某些人也確實沒有進一步的回應，就好像他從來沒加入討論似的。
- 另外我們從來沒有討論過什麼“1980年的地圖”，譚其驤的《中國歷史地圖集》是1982年-1987年出版的，而且他的地圖是年代全圖，不能僅僅反映處於某個單一年份的唐朝領土，它通常用來解釋2件事：唐朝統治過什麼地方、和它在這些地方以什麼樣的方式施行統治。中文維基的唐朝疆域圖（下面這張）就是一幅参考了《中國歷史地圖集》裡面的唐時期全圖的作品，如果你真看得懂中文，你沒理由看不懂下面這張圖右下角的資訊框裡面寫的是什麼。
86A32980X (talk) 13:16, 8 May 2024 (UTC)- 你的英语肯定比我的中文好。当然我理解你想要精确，所以我会努力 Remsense诉 13:31, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- It seems that you even canceled the map of the Han Dynasty that I changed, what do you mean by that? 163.136.36.58 (talk) 09:37, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Generally one would discuss potential changes to the lead image on a featured article first. My change back was done with the same level of caution, and I have at least implicit (and real, given the article's undergone peer review) consensus behind me, rather than drive-by swapping representational images without clear reason. I doubt @Qiushufang would prefer their map on at the top of Han dynasty. Remsense诉 09:38, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- 那張地圖確實很詳細，但是詳細過頭了。而且還用了不少複雜的縮寫字母去指代行政區，我覺得不如下面這張。
86A32980X (talk) 02:40, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- It seems that you even canceled the map of the Han Dynasty that I changed, what do you mean by that? 163.136.36.58 (talk) 09:37, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- 你的英语肯定比我的中文好。当然我理解你想要精确，所以我会努力 Remsense诉 13:31, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Probably because no one found the arguments convincing and the current map remains fully sourced. At some point I do not know what to tell you because you didn't find it convincing when Kanguole or Aza24 make points, and you have some idea that we're treating China less favorably than other historical empires, which I probably have the opposite bias about frankly. Your argumentation never seems to land on whether this map is inaccurate, or whether it's not the best date to use, and you never make any arguments as to why it should be a different date. Believe it or not, I don't think the 1980 atlas is unreliable, though you've already assumed I do. Remsense诉 11:38, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
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