User talk:86.1.32.142

August 2022

Hello, I'm GabberFlasted. Wikipedia is written by people who have a wide diversity of opinions, but we try hard to make sure articles have a neutral point of view. Your recent edit to Nasheed seemed less than neutral and has been removed. If you think this was a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. GabberFlasted (talk) 11:24, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello, I normally don't edit Wikipedia pages, but I think this was really inaccurate.

The article says that 'some' Ulama view that musical instruments are prohibited. This is a great understatement - the vast majority of Islamic scholars view it as prohibited. It is not the case of being a fundamentalist, I would arrive at the same conclusion with a neutral view.

In fact a consensus has been reported by some scholars such as Imam al Bagahawi and Abu Bakr al Ajuri. While it is not 100%, it is high enough the some scholars mentioned it as a consensus.

I could present you with many sources, but see it for yourself for impartiality - randomly select some Islamic scholars from here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamic_jurists . Almost everyone you select will hold the view that it is prohibited.

"Some" is the wrong word used - just as you wouldn't say "Some people have 5 fingers" (as opposed to polydactyly). I think "the vast majority" or even "most" would be more accurate in this case. 86.1.32.142 (talk) 12:07, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

I have just done some research on this aspect of Islamic culture. I see that music in Islam is still a debated topic but I cleared up a misunderstanding I had with regards to your edit. I will hesitantly self-revert out of respect... But I still ask that you cite a source specifically for the claim of "The vast majority of ulama" as the wikipedia project tries to not make bold claims without sources to back them up. What I'm finding is that it is still widely debated.

I appreciate your 5-finger analogy, and it works because the vast majority of all people possess that experience. But something very obvious to people within or in close contact with the Islamic faith, may be unobvious to the rest of the world, such as myself. So again, I'll take myself out of the equation, but please do find a source to cite. GabberFlasted (talk) 12:34, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

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