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Appalachian Development Highway System

Thanks for adding information about the routes. I take an interest in roads and grew up in southern Appalachia, but surprisingly I had never heard of this project. Gazpacho 16:01, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I would like to help you, but I moved out of the south a few years ago, and my casual internet usage has been severely restricted for a while (i.e. I graduated). That's why it has taken me so long to get back to you. Gazpacho 01:16, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

US 220

Just letting you know that I'm removing US 220 from Template:US Highways. It may have never connected to US 20, but it would have if New York had been more enthusiastic about the system in the 1920s (other routes like 309 and 111 similarly ended at the line), and it did connect to US 20 via US 120.[1] --SPUI (talk) 20:51, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Oh, I had assumed you were adding it because you considered it on the same level as the two-digit routes. That template is for only the two-digit routes, plus the few three-digit routes with no "parent". It would be a lot bigger if all three-digit routes were included. --SPUI (talk) 21:02, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I am arguing that it is a spur route, and thus should not be in the list. By the way, please sign your messages by typing four tildes or clicking the second-to-last button above the edit box. --SPUI (talk) 21:09, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

(For the record, 1927 is when the routes were signed) I'm not quite sure what you're saying. I'm saying that US 220 is a spur of US 20, and is thus not primary, and should not be in the template. --SPUI (talk) 21:32, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Appalachian Development Highway System

Thanks for adding the information on these routes. I'm thinking of moving the articles to titles like Appalachian Development Highway System Corridor D, simply because otherwise the naming can conflict with other things called "Corridor D". What do you think about this? --SPUI (talk) 21:35, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

OK, after discussing it with a few others I've decided that Corridor D (Appalachian Development Highway System) is best. To link to it, just use [[Corridor D (Appalachian Development Highway System)|]] (note the vertical bar), which produces Corridor D. I've also created {{ADHS}} and added it to the articles. --SPUI (talk) 22:26, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The point is that other things not related to the ADHS may be called "Corridor H" - see Wikipedia:Disambiguation. There's no reason Corridor H can't redirect there if that is the most common usage, meaning you can still link to Corridor H.

As for US 48, I would think the current use should be at that page, with Corridor H redirecting there, and a note at the top with links to the other pages, kind of like the I-410 article. What do you think? --SPUI (talk) 23:08, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Robert C. Byrd Institute

If you have obtained permission to use the copyrighted information, I will gladly remove the page from Wikipedia:Copyright Problems and leave you to edit it as you see fit. I appreciate what appears to be your local expertise on this subject, and didn't mean to hurt your feelings. NatusRoma 03:32, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

North Branch Potomac Bridges

Anytime! I'm over in Hampshire County...I'll make an account once I think of a clever name. I really enjoy your articles and glad to see your additions ;) 207.255.205.142 23:09, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

That's awesome, I'd be glad to help out adding info to the WV state routes.

County Routes

Do you think it'd be a good idea to do something for county routes in Hampshire and Mineral similar to how you organized the WV state routes? 207.255.205.142 18:34, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

Potomac River Bridges

Hey there, yep I finally got me a name ;) I finished entering all the bridges I could remember, and double-checked their order and the bridges with names. The bridges without names, I just assigned arbitrary ones so feel free to change 'em.

About Arlington Memorial Bridge, I thought it was US 50 as well, but according to the Wikipedia article: "At the western terminus on Columbia Island, the bridge and its connecting roadways connect with the George Washington Memorial Parkway and with Virginia State Highways 27 and 110. At the eastern terminus, the bridge and its connecting roadways connect with Constitution Avenue, Independence Avenue, the Rock Creek and Potomac Parkway, and the District of Columbia segment of Interstate 66." So it looks like it just connects with US 50 and doesn't carry it across.

Northwestern Turnpike

That Category will be awesome, I'll finish connecting it to all the remaining applicable landmarks and townns in Hamspshire.

County Routes Box

We could possibly do one for each county, but I'm not exactly sure how the secondary roads system works in WV. If County Route 9 in Hampshire County would cross into Mineral, would it take a different number and name? School me, you know this stuff ;) Caponer 02:41, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

So roads that I confused with "county routes" would be considered secondary state routes then. Would List of Hampshire County, WV County Routes be more appropriately titled WV Secondary Routes in Hampshire County? I've always wanted to compile a list of these routes but I never knew how to categorize them or classify them. My goal was to create articles for a few of these roads and then connect them with a box like you created for the WV Routes. Instead of CR 9 would you say SR 9?

As for help with the WV Routes, you're the only other WVian I am aware of on here, but I'll assist you anyway I can with 'em.

Added WV Routes

I added WV 115 and WV 901. Caponer 04:58, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

Geo-stubs

Hi 71Demon - I notice you've been creating a few stub articles aboutplaces in WV (good!). You've been stubbing them wusing both the {{US-south-geo-stub}} and {{WestVirginia-geo-stub}} templates - which is a bit of overkill. The West Vitginia template automatically puts the stubs into a subcategory of the US south geography stubs anyway, so you don't need to add US-south-geo-stub as well. Just the WV one is fine. The only exception would be if it's something like a river which crosses the state border. Other than that, though, keep up the good work! :) Grutness...wha? 01:43, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

Potomac River System

Hey there, I apologize it's taken me awhile to get back to you...I kept forgetting to sign in with my name the past few times I've been on and didn't see I had some messages awaitin' me. I definitelty love the Potomac River system link box!! and will go ahead and add it to the remaining tributary river articles. Thank you as well for the Potomac Highlands article...someone else had created an article for it earlier this year I believe and for some reason it was marked for deletion so its nice to see it is replaced and better than before.

Also, about the Potomac Highlands geographical designation, I've noticed many times that Randolph, Tucker, and Pocahontas Counties are sometimes included as well by the tourist and visitor websites and in many local brochures. In many historical contexts they are also included so I was wondering what you thought about maybe including them? I'm on the fence as to if they really count seeing as to how its a stretch that they are a part of the Potomac watershed at all so I was curious as to what you thought.

Thanks again!

• www.wvstate.com/potomachighlands/
• www.westvirginia.com/potomac/

North and South Branch Potomac Rivers

Should we give the North and South Branch Potomac rivers their own articles again? I just feel like the Potomac River page is too large and you know as well as I do that the North and South Branches are their own individual rivers in many different ways, just as the main Potomac is different from them. Caponer 18:41, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, you're right, it'll shave a few more inches off the length of the article with the addition of the link box. I'll try and add more of the tidal Potomac tributaries (they're a pain!). I also added some more populations to the Eastern Panhandle and Potomac Highland pages and a couple more facts. Caponer 21:28, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Hey there, made up a little article for Neabsco Creek, and working on others to make the link box less red in color ;) Also, I double checked and the Romney mound is a hundred or so years younger than the Adena mounds, possibly making it of the Hopewell culture. It's never officially been analyzed but the Smithsonian took a good guess at its age from artifacts found in other mounds in the South Branch valley (very scientific I know). Oh, also I noticed I'd forgotten to include Sligo Creek (a tributary of the Anacostia in Maryland) to the tributary lists on the main page of the Potomac River, so I added the link box to its article and added it to the list.

Eastern Panhandle

I've always said the Eastern Panhandle should be its own state...and now I've created a little link box that makes it so...almost. It's my first one and it's still a work in progress and I'm still playing around with colors that set it apart from other state link boxes. To be fair to all of the counties in the Panhandle, I chose only to include towns that were incorporated as cities or towns, and any census designated places. For the sites and attractions portion, I tried to pick sites that were relevant to the whole entire Panhandle and make sure all counties were represented. I didn't want to inundate the box with only Mineral and Hampshire County sites eventhough we have written a number of good articles on various sites and communities. I was trying to look at it from an outside of the Panhandle point of view. Let me know what you think and feel free to add anything I left out!

Now that all is said and done, I've got an urge to inundate it with those Mineral and Hampshire county places I spoke of before. ;)

Keep up the good work!

You look like a good editor, keep up the good work. I do have one comment, however: Please use edit summaries when you edit. People like me watch all edits made, looking for possible vandalism, and sometimes edits you make appear to be vandalism (for example, when you removed information about West Virginia to move it to another page). Even something like "Deleting, moving to a new page" is sufficient enough for us. It would be much appreciated if you could do this in the future. Ral315 W_S 00:59, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

While it's technically true that it was British territory at the time, I would just use the United States History stub. It's usually frowned upon to make your own stub tag, because often they don't fit with the normal naming and style conventions. If you want to suggest a stub tag, see Wikipedia:Stub. Also, you're really only supposed to use one stub notice per page (though on the page you mentioned, the WV tag and US History tag could probably coexist- but three stub tags is way too many) Ral315 W_S 01:21, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

ditto on the good work on West Virginia articles

While I write primarily on Virginia, history and transportation subjects often take my work over into the "Wild and Wonderful." Thanks for your work, especially the new History of West Virginia sub article breakout.

Mark in Historic Triangle of Virginia Vaoverland 01:36, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Eastern Panhandle

The C&O Canal proper isn't located in the Eastern Panhandle, but technically the Cheseapeake and Ohio Canal National Historical Park is in several locations in Morgan, Berkeley, and Jefferson so I went ahead and corrected it to link specifically to the NHP. Harpers Ferry NHP is in Virginia and Maryland as well. I removed Paw Paw Tunnel since I couldn't really think of a viable excuse to keep it.

That's an excellent idea about an entry for a possible new state that combines the Eastern Panhandle and Western Maryland! I'll do a little research. It's also been discussed publically that the Panhandle join Virginia at several times, so maybe a mention about that possibility too.

Excellent work on all your new articles! --Caponer 02:21, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Virginia State Highways

Kewl template, and it makes it easier for me to keep plugging away at articles for the red links. I added a little text to your article, and one oddball number to the template. I am not good with templates, so you may want to adjust my entry for VA 895. We also need to add VA 350.

Returning the favor, if you like the TALK box on my User and Talk pages, let me know and I can knock one off for you with a few minutes of effort.

BTW, anything you can add to some of the West Virginia articles I have worked on will be appreciated. I won't bother to list all of the places and highway ones, but among the better are Ansted and Midland Trail. I do some biographical ones, and I am especially interested in anything you may have to enhance my featured article (beaming with pride) on William N. Page and those involving the railroads, especially the Virginian Railway, his greatest accomplishment. I also wish I had more interesting content add to the articles I started about former WV governor William A. MacCorkle and Julia Neale Jackson.

P.S. I am also curious about the red category link for "Category:U.S. Highways in West Virginia|Midland Trail" in the Midland Trail article. I am not sure why it is red. As with templates, I am not very good at categories, either. Thank goodness for WP collaboration!

Mark in Historic Triangle of Virginia Vaoverland Vaoverland 03:03, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

new talk box, vote on templates

This is the first message using your new talk box. I added comments to the debate/voting on the 2 templates at risk. Vaoverland 03:36, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Virginia State Highways template

One problem I see with the Virginia State Highways template is that VDOT has no numbering convention to make numbers above 100 and below 599 to be "connector routes". While some may function as such, all road numbers below 599 are primary highways. Perhaps you can modify the template to address that.

Here is a list of the articles on Virginia primary highways I have written (or plan to in very near future):

• Virginia State Highway 3 (article planned)
• Virginia State Highway 5
• Virginia State Highway 6 (article planned)
• Virginia State Highway 10
• Virginia State Highway 31
• Virginia State Highway 32
• Virginia State Highway 33
• Virginia State Highway 37 (article planned)
• Virginia State Highway 76
• Virginia State Highway 143 (article planned)
• Virginia State Highway 147 (article planned)
• Virginia State Highway 150
• Virginia State Highway 195
• Virginia State Highway 199
• Virginia State Highway 288 (article planned)
• Virginia State Highway 895 (Note: this number above 599 is an anomaly explained in the article)

Thanks. Vaoverland 14:07, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

West Virginia State Routes

No problem, I'll finish the remainder of the WV State Routes this evening. You know what the problem is with Wikipedia...it's not simply the fact that it's an open system, open systems usually work. Wikipedia is an open system with too many self-important people running around changing other people's templates and article writing formats and anally enforcing the most insignificant rules. Everyone seems to know better than everyone else...I feel like we're in FEMA all of a sudden...I'll make sure they will all be finished by tonight, and thank you for the website link...that'll be a big help ;)

Also, about the state routes, you'll have to get me up-to-date here, I was logged off of Wikipedia for awhile and need to be caught up. Instead of having a simple, easy-to-use box that links you to every West Virginia State Route at once, it has been recommended that we make a list of state routes instead? How is that as user-friendly? It's a shame you and I have lives that do not center on Wikipedia, maybe we'd have more wiki-friends. --Caponer 17:58, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Eastern Panhandle Template

I was thinking about what you said considering the colleges as a separate section in the template, but the only problem with doing that is the Eastern Panhandle only has three colleges, and only one of them is a real four-year college. If we had more four-year schools I'd think it would be cool but I don't know how much it really adds to the content of the template. Feel free though to add any sites or attractions you feel fit on there...do you think we should add more towns and cities? I do feel like places like Augusta and Burlington, eventhough they aren't CDPs or incorporated, should be included, as well.

Stony River and Mount Storm Lake

I added a temporary stub concerning both and hope to be able to enlarge both articles later! I didn't even know the Stony River existed until the other day ;) --Caponer 18:07, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Template Debate

I made a few additional comments on the template debate discussion page. It's amazing just how many people have nothing else better to than criticize and attack the existence of this template. It must threaten them, possibly? I've got an extremely busy week ahead of me but I'll try and do everything I can in order to assist in making these WV State Route articles more appealing to the masses so they'll shut up. --Caponer 21:13, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Burlington's Stone House

I found some pictures of the Stone House restoration on the Historic Hampshire website - http://www.historichampshire.org/Mineral/stonehus.html It's good to see they're fixin' the old thing up and restoring it just in time for Christmas. Would make for a nice article on Wikipedia if there were more history known about it. I only ever knew it as a strip club. --Caponer 18:11, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Template:West Virginia State Highways

Here is my response, I hope it explains the difference between WV XX and the secondary routes. A lot of it was from my own personal knowledge that I believe to be correct so if you find anything that is incorrect, feel free to correct it but I hope it helps in the debate. I did feel sort of bad for the poor kid, I used to be a nerdy little teenage editor at several websites ;) I was never as bad to the degree he is ;) --Caponer 19:11, 5 October 2005 (UTC) We'll win this one.

• I appreciate Rschen7754's work and his dedication to Wikipedia, but as a West Virginian and an active editor of this site, I disagree with the disassembling of our organization of the West Virginia State Highway System in order for it conform to California's because a handfull of people think so. There are a million and one reasons I could list of why West Virginia should not have to conform to any of California's systems and I won't even begin to get into the whole Arnold Schwarzenegger thing. Also, what is up with this West Virginia State Highway XX Sh*t?! As far as I'm concerned, it's WV XX. So, let me give all non-West Virginians a little history lesson and Rschen7754, I hope you are paying attention. Rschen7754, I can't condemn your youth because I was an editor at Skyscrapers.Com between the ages of fourteen and nineteen years old for the Washington, DC Metro, but I can condemn your comments concerning the West Virginia State Highway system. I hope some of this information helps in our dialogue.
• West Virginia's County Route System served intra-county travel and provided land access to the more rural areas of West Virginia (which is most of the state). The system, however, was established in 1933 when the public roads under the former county-district road system were placed under the jurisdiction of the West Virginia State Road Commission (SRC). Originally, the main county routes were assigned whole numbers, with those roads branching off of the main county routes were assigned fractions (the main county route is the numerator). Route numbers do not repeat within a county. The county route marker has a black number inside a white circle on a green background, usually with the local name of the route.
• Because there used to be separate county road systems, West Virginia's system can be confusing at first, but it is the job of us West Virginian editors who are familiar with the system to explain it to the best of our abilities. WV xx is usually assigned to West Virginia State Highways. "County routes" or "secondary state highways" are usually given the initials CR (County Route) or SR (Secondary Route) before their numeral and not WV xx.

County Routes in Hampshire County, WV.

• This particular sign is located at the northern terminus of Hampshire County's state Secondary Route 5 (Jersey Mountain Road) in Levels, West Virginia. In West Virginia, Secondary Route 5 would also be called "County Route 5." At this intersection in Levels, the road that branches off to the west is called Frenches Station Road, state Secondary Route 5/7 (SR 5/7 or CR 5/7, both are correct). 5/7 was the seventh road to branch off of state Secondary Route 5 when the roads were originally numbered. Since then several roads have branched off in between the original numbered routes, taking the denominators of the secondary route numbers out of any sort of order from any direction. But I digress. Little Cacapon-Levels Road branches off to the east but it was originally a branch of Hampshire County's state Secondary Route 3, so it takes the numerator of 3 and this route happens to have a denominator of 3 because it was the third route to branch off SR 3 when it was originally numbered. List of Hampshire County, WV County Routes provides a list of all of Hampshire County's state Secondary Routes. You'll notice these routes can also take the numerators of US Highways as in US Route 50, WV State Highways (primary) as in WV 28 or Old WV 45 that no longer runs through Hampshire County but these SRs still contain 45 in their numerators.
• If anyone has any questions about these, please post them here. The editors who understand this system will be happy to answer any additional questions. It is pretty difficult to explain (on here) but it makes sense, and it especially makes sense to the West Virginians who use them everyday. If a West Virginian were to get on here and see West Virginia State Highway XX instead of WV 259, they'd understand what it was but they'd prefer it be WV xx. And a West Virginian also realizes that it is not odd that Hampshire County has a state Secondary Route 1 (Green Spring Road) and Hardy County has a state Secondary Route 1 (North River Road). Usually this is why they prefer to call them county routes. That's just the way it is. 71Demon has done one hell of a job on organizing the WV State Highway system, and instead of condemning him and trying to undo his work, he should be congratulated. --Caponer 18:56, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

West Run Expressway

I don't see any flaw to your logic on this matter, Gary. Its own website by the WVDOT and WVDOH states that "As of February 2001, the WVDOH suspended further work by its consultants doing the study on the West Run Expressway." I see your point that it is a non-issue. Your Quick Delete post on the West Run's talk page says it all! How can they argue with that? Caponer 19:29, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Template:VA Highways

Try Wikipedia:Votes for undeletion if it has already been deleted or if the deletion has been decided upon but it has yet to be deleted. If the latter though I don't really know which section of that page you would put it on because it clearly hasn't actually been deleted yet. -- Francs2000 23:01, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Well to get the full experience of what it was like for them I would advise taking everything you own in a sack, only eating basic supplies and sharing a large room with 40 other families for the entire journey. I keep meaning to trace my roots and travel to Massachusetts, where my grandfather was from but I've never got around to it... -- Francs2000 23:12, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Do, it's a lovely country. The name Moore is not necessarily from Scotland by the way: depending on where your ancestors were from depends on which of the five origins of the name Moore your were:

1. Yorkshire: Someone who lived on a moor
2. Rest of England: Someone with a dark complexion
3. Normandy (i.e. came over with the Normans): after Saint Moor
4. Ireland: From Ó Mórdha ("descendant of a great one")
5. Scotland or Wales: A large man

I have four origins in my own family: my paternal grandfather, the Paddicks, were Norman French who came over with William I and set up business as merchants in Bristol; my paternal grandmother, the Haileys, were from a small village called Green Hailey in Bucks (where I live); my maternal grandfather, the Kellys, were Irish Americans who eventually settled in a small city in Massachusetts, and my maternal grandmother, the Fairheads, were Vikings who settled in East Anglia. As you can tell, family history is a passion of mine! -- Francs2000 23:37, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Now that depends on your point of view. If you were Anglo Saxon Normandy was a foreign place led by a bastard (literally) who was descended from Vikings intent on invading and making England part of his realm. If you were Norman however England was considered part of Normandy and William I had a birthright claim to the throne of England. As the Normans won that's the version that got written down in history.

Incidentally in the same year the Norwegian king invaded in the north (which is why King Harold lost to the Normans at the Battle of Hastings - he was basically too knackered to fight) because (it is claimed) the throne of England had been promised to him in a drinking game. Seriously you can't make this stuff up.

Anyway if you fancy trying to trace your British ancestors I can help guide you to where you need to go, however please bear in mind that I do have a full-time job too! -- Francs2000 00:16, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Now that's interesting, thanks for showing me that. My great grandfather was knighted for his service during World War I and served as a Grand Duke in the Buffs for his service to king and country - his ship was the HMS Agamemnon but I know less about that ship than I know about the Buffs - and that isn't much! Anyway it's getting on for 2am here and I have to be at work in the morning - no doubt we'll chat later and best of luck over at WP:VFU. -- Francs2000 00:50, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

public domain

Anything written down in the U.S. is automatically copyrighted; the lack of a copyright notice means nothing. You would have to get authorization from the state government directly not only to post the material here but to release it under a suitable license, as it is a work for hire. It is much simpler to just rewrite it. --SPUI (talk) 01:33, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

West Virginia template

I've changed my vote, because it is no longer a redlink farm. However, in the future, try not to leave messages on users' talk pages in order to get them to change their votes, ok? Some users won't like it. Titoxd^(?!?) 02:05, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

WV-Road-Stub

You and I should come up with some WV State Highway road stubs ourselves as well as one for WV Secondary Routes. --Caponer 19:47, 8 October 2005 (UTC) I didn't think Jhohenzollern was that out of line in his comment on the WV Highways template debate,; thought he was quite tactful, myself ;)

US 220

Hot. --Caponer 00:00, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Dealing with younger users

I have indeed come across this problem before and it is a bit of a hard one to overcome.

Essentially talking down to them doesn't work - it just makes them angry and they make the miraculous transformation from editors into trolls because all you're doing is confirming what everyone else is saying and that they're fighting as hard as they can to escape from - that they're just children. You have to speak to them as an equal, even if they don't reciprocate (the ease at which young people place themselves into subordinate situations in dialogue is frightening). Be honest with them about what they are doing wrong, but do it in a way that is constructive - use "this is how you can improve" rather than "this is what you are doing wrong". Patience works wonders too - even if they are making the same mistake over and again.

Also if there is somewhere you can signpost them to, to find out the right information, or as a different outlet for their creative talents then suggest that. Some much younger editors that we get here are signposted to the Simple English Wikipedia, for instance.

Best of luck with dealing with it anyway! -- Francs2000 20:32, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Me too -- Francs2000 23:35, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

West Virginia State Route 5

Hi, 71Demon! I noticed West Virginia State Route 5 is up for speedy deletion since it is {{empty}}. I just wanted to let you know in case you wanted to expand it before another admin comes through and deletes it. You can always recreate it when you are ready, though. Have a great day! >: Roby Wayne ^{Talk • Hist • E@} 15:58, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

West Virginia State Highway 5

• Well, it looks like we'll just have to make another with the exact same name. I don't remember there being an AfD posted for it? --Caponer 01:19, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
  • I created a new article with the same title, feel free to tweak it. --Caponer 01:38, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

West Virginia

Hey! I nominated the West Virginia main article as a candidate for US Collaboration of the Week...it's in dire need of help and if it is chosen as a US Collaboration of the Week, it'll definitely be up to par with other U.S. state articles. It's a rare opportunity and we really need to take advantage of the wiki group effort it would entail. Hope all is well. --Caponer 17:47, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Image:Saddle-mtn.jpg really GFDL?

Hi, Demon. I just ran across Image:Saddle-mtn.jpg, which was labeled GFDL, but was labeled as coming from the Mineral County Chamber of County. Did they really release it GFDL? You can reply on my web page, thanks! -- hike395 02:19, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

West Virginia page

Glad to have you back...I was wondering where you have been! Yeah, I'm caught in the middle on the issue of the West Virginia article. I feel as if too much was taken from the West Virginia article originally which made it inferior content and style-wise to the other states' articles. I think there is too much on it right now, so hopefully we can find a happy medium where we can have a minimal stub for each section with a full sub-page for each. The history section is definitely in need of a shave! Hope all is well in Minco ;) --Caponer 04:57, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Longs Island

See, I had thought so as well, but I noticed on two topographic maps that it actually belongs to West Virginia despite the water mark principle usually used to determine the boundary line within the North Branch and Main Branch Potomac Rivers. The boundary line was the low water mark on Longs Island which looked as if the island belonged to West Virginia. Take a look at this map provided by MapTech and this map provided by TopoZone. The bold dotted boundary line gives the island to West Virginia in both maps, which are provided by the USGS so officially Mineral County can claim it as its own ;)! --Caponer 16:17, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Also, this historical topographic map surveyed by the USGS in 1898, 1916, and 1920 also gives Longs Island to West Virginia. (If you go to the link and the page says "Currently Unavailable", just repetatively click "Refresh" and it will eventually come up). So, while Longs Island may have onced belonged to Maryland, the USGS has been drawing the boundary as to give it to West Virginia since at least 1898. --Caponer 16:25, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Then that is quite alright with me, I just wanted you to see that it is clearly marked on federal maps as belonging to West Virginia which is where I received my reasoning for including it with West Virginia in the article. Mineral and Allegany Counties may have some sort of agreement worked out between the two concerning tax collection that has changed the island's ownership status. But, because Mineral County does not collect taxes on the island, I have no qualms with including it as part of Maryland. --Caponer 17:08, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

See, I understood that ownership of the Potomac River since the original surveys of Lord Fairfax has been within the lawful hands of Maryland but some islands in the river that are closer to the West Virginia/Virginia side have been an exception to this low-water mark rule. I'm aware of the West Virginia/Virginia attempts to challenge Maryland's ownership at certain locations, but despite these failed actions, legal exceptions remain including: Chopawamsic Island, Daingerfield Island, Hog Island, Lowes Island, and Patowmack Island (in Virginia) and a number of smaller unnamed islands. I'm not arguing Maryland's lawful ownership of most of the entire river to the opposite watermark, I'm just trying to express that there exist exceptions on a case-by-case basis. These exceptions made Longs Island's ownership by West Virginia not impossible, but now that you have shared the assessor information with me, I see that it falls under the general ownership rule and is not an exception. --Caponer 17:31, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Mineral County, West Virginia#Cities, towns, and districts

I hope you didn't mind that I added some more unincorporated communities in Mineral County to its article and included Beryl and other mainly uninhabited railroad towns onto the list, too. I saw that all of these were still considered by the USGS as populated places so I included them. I have been trying to create stubs along with other contributors for West Virginia's unincorporated communities and took the liberty of doing the same for Mineral County and added its communities to the List of communities in the Eastern Panhandle of West Virginia. --Caponer 16:31, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

I had thought about making a separate list for incorporated communities in the Eastern Panhandle initially, but certain administrators expressed to me that it would be more plausible for me to lump them all together in one List of communities in the Eastern Panhandle of West Virginia. I followed their suggestions and bolded the incorporated communities to separate them from the unincorporated ones. I'm going to place asterisks next to the county seats to differentiate them as well. About the main West Virginia article which I forgot to get back to you on (I apologize), I am in agreement with you about how out of control it has gotten but now that it has been ranked at "good article" status, it would be very hard to persuade other contributors to assist in turning back to the more concise list version. The most we can strive for at this point would be to majorly trim the sections in the article, even if it may seem very redundant to do so. It is silly, but it is within Wikipedia protocol to give a small concise version on the main page and then elaborate fully on the topic in the expanded article. The problem with the West Virginia article is that it gives the same extended version in the main article as it gives in the expanded article. The history section is enough to make me rip my hair out! ;) --Caponer 17:41, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I have a bad habit of babbling in my responses, feel free to shut me up at anytime!

Category:West Virginia Related Ships

I really like the category actually and had no idea until you compiled these ships into this category that this amount of ships had connections to West Virginia. I also like the idea of ships that were present in Tokyo Bay on September 2, 1945. --Caponer 19:21, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Sometimes it is necessary to have a long category title because there is no way around it in order to describe its purpose appropriately. Category:Ships present at the Japanese Instrument of Surrender, Category:Ships at the Japanese Instrument of Surrender, Category:Ships in Tokyo Bay at the Japanese Instrument of Surrender, etc etc. Using the Japanese Instrument of Surrender instead of its date may work better for a category title. --Caponer 17:56, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Potomac River

The Potomac River was nominated for US Collaboration of the Week so you should definitely consider giving your support to its nomination. It'd be cool if we could get the article up to featured status. --Caponer 18:21, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Robert Schadler

Actually I'm from Ireland and live in London. I have no links with WV. But I'm immensely interested in everything on Wikipedia!--File Éireann 23:23, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Senators category

The category you seek is underused but exists and is at Category:West Virginia State Senators. Happy Wikkying!--File Éireann 23:32, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Wayne Spiggle

You forgot to place "after =" before his name ;) --Caponer 02:01, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Anytime, always at your service! :)

Category:Ships in Tokoyo Bay on VJ Day

...works for me! Short, sweet, concise, and will look good at the bottom of the articles it encompasses. --Caponer 02:12, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Shit, I forgot...it's referred to as Japanese Instrument of Surrender instead...any ideas as to how to abbreviate that title? --Caponer 02:14, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Potomac River system

I made a few modifications to the Potomac River system template as I'm sure you've probably noticed. Let me know what you think. I tried to squeeze in the reservoirs too (are there more in the Eastern Panhandle that we haven't written articles for?). Maybe we could work reservoirs together with dams? --Caponer 02:17, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

The link for the Patterson Creek tributary Mill Creek is not included in the template. You don't think it should be? Actually now that I think of it, do you believe we should go through the template some time and weed out some of the smaller streams and include only the larger streams? I was just going on topographic maps when I wrote the stub for the Patterson Creek's Mill Creek so I hope it's accurate! --Caponer 02:34, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

State of Potomac

I can't seem to find anything on the Internet concerning this matter. Do you know much about past secessionist ideas about the Eastern Panhandle splitting from West Virginia along with Western Maryland and parts of Northern Virginia? I wanted to create an article on the proposed state but I can't find any concerete sources. Let me know if you're game for creating an article with me! --Caponer 03:19, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

USS Greenbrier River (LCM(R)-507)

I have just deleted this article because it was empty, and empty articles are not allowed (see point A1/A3 in WP:CSD. Regards. - Liberatore(T) 15:34, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

I think that the problem here is that you are using categories in the wrong way: they are supposed to be used only for articles that have already a content. If you want a list of articles, in which some are to be created, use a list instead (see WP:LIST). With a list, you have the advantage that articles that do not exist yet appear red. If you have already a number of existing article, you can create a list in mainspace, otherwise I suggest a list in userspace or in the project space (if there is a wikiproject associated).

Beside, I forgot to mention that I also deleted USS Shenandoah (AD-44) in the message above. The fact that you didn't even realize that this latter article was deleted shows another problem with categories that does not exist for lists: if an article is deleted, the entry in the list becomes red; in a category, it simply disappears.

Most if not all administrators delete empty articles. Try to switch from categories to lists, as otherwise more of your work will be deleted. - Liberatore(T) 18:56, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Image:USSPivotAM276.jpg

We just needed the statement that it was a government production, thanks. After all, without any hints as to where it was from, it could have just as easily been a news agency or freelance photographer's picture, which would have to be handled under very different rules. Stan 01:11, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Seneca Rocks

The Seneca Rocks article seems to be copied and pasted from [2]. The site it came from might be a work of the United States Government and in the public domain, but that site's credits page mentions companies contributing to their website, so I've added it to Wikipedia:Copyright problems, where someone who's more experienced with copyright can take care of it. --Cadaeib 00:17, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Potomac River

Hey, I renominated the Potomac River at WP:USCOTW since it didn't get enough votes the first time around. If you get a chance, please consider giving it your four tildes ;) --Caponer 01:51, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Seneca Rocks

Hey there, I was surprised that they moved so quickly on deleting the article completely without discussing it further on the Seneca Rocks talk page. Technically, I also believe that government articles are fair use content but that they need to be somewhat rewritten or rearranged a little so it's not obvious. I never actually got a chance to view the Seneca Rocks article until now, here. I've always cut and pasted from a previous edition over the most recent edition to revert the article back from vandalism but I know there is an easier way, I just can't remember it off hand. --Caponer 18:50, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Gary Howell listed for deletion

An article that you have been involved in editing, Gary Howell , has been listed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gary Howell . Please look there to see why this is, if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you.

youngamerican (talk) 01:11, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Reply

I personally, was never concerned about a copyright vio. I was scrolling through all of the articles on people from WV, and ran across yours. It basically came down to the fact that the article, as I saw it, did not illustrate a notable biography. The article does not show how your company meets WP:CORP and a few television apppearances or a IMDB entry also do not equate to notability. As far as politics goes, I think thus far consensus indicates that county commissioners are not inherently notable, much less candidates for said office. On the other hand, any of the state delegates or senators should have articles, as should failed major party nominees for US House, US Senate, etc. I even think that the article on David Sypolt should be kept now that he won the nomination. If he loses, then maybe deletion is in order, but it should be kept for now (especially since he has to be favored to take Minear's seat). Furthermore, when people speak of vanity, please check out WP:VAIN to see what people are talking about. Wikipedians are generally prohibited from editing their own articles. Lastly, as far as making unfounded accusations of political vandalism and calling for a flame war [3], you are better editor than taht. When I think of you, I think of the Wikipedian that stood up for a pragmatic method to organizing roads in the state. youngamerican (talk) 00:06, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

You got the wrong user...

I believe the person that brought up copyright vio was User:Hexagon1. As far as political vandalism, what proof do you have of this? Why would I care about a commissioner candidate in Mineral County (hell, I'd be inclined to vote for you). youngamerican (talk) 14:54, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I am really, really curious to know why this is political vandalism? youngamerican (talk) 15:04, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Because after the Copyright Vio was solved, you moved right to AFD. None of this occured on an entry that was over a year old, until the political info went up. And that was only a Candidate Filing, nothing more. BTW the Primary was Won. Youg ignored all the information of why for non-political reasons it shouldn't have been deleted.

• For the record, I added the copyvio (after I saw the article in the AfD). After you clarified that you wrote the imdb text, I did not object to the removal of copyvio message. The AfD process continued and was voted overwhelmingly by members of the WP community. "Nationally known" as you indicate below does not necessarily mean encyclopedic. And creating an article about yourself is just bad form. WP:VAIN. -Jcbarr 03:02, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

You state not a notable West Virginian. Lets Review.

• SBA Exporter of the Year for WV 2003
• Inducted into WV's GeneratioNext, 40 WV Leaders under 40
• Award from the WV Office of Tourisms Motorsports Council for promoting the State Through Motorsports

Nationally Known Automotive Person in TV and Print

• Car and Driver Magazine 2003, circulation world wide 1 million +
• C&D Magazine SuperCar Challenge Winnner. Considered to be the best of the best tuners in the world
• Mopar Muscle top Magazine for Dodge/Plymouth/Chrysler Products
• Named a Mopar mover and shaker in 1999 by Mopar Muscle Magazine
• Internet Movie Database
• DIY Networks Tricked Out-SRT-4 Exhaust Episode
• DIY Networks Tricked Out-Computer Episode

International Credit Card Fraud Expert

• CBS Evening News
• Wall Street Journal May 1, 2003
• Japanese National Television Appearence on Credit Card Fraud
• Lectures to groups nationwide on Credit Card Fraud Oct 31st 2:00 PM - 3:30 PM - How to Prevent & Reduce Losing Money to Credit Card Fraud--71Demon 15:32, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Reply to reply (whew)

I had not encountered the article until after the political info was added, hence I could not have AfD'd the article before then. As far as the meida citations go, you have provided a long laundry list of places that have mentioned your name or interviewed you. However, not everyone that is mentioned by a media outlet, that has an IMDB listing, or that is on a car show is inherently notable. Have you ever written and published anything on credit card fraud? How did you become an expert on this topic? Proving these things, and not attacking the motives of other users, are what will help you if you decide to appeal the AfD. youngamerican (talk) 15:42, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Useful link

Here is a useful link: Wikipedia:Deletion review. This would be the mechanism through which you would get the Gary Howell article undeleted. In doing so, make sure you maintain the tone in your last post on my talk page (remember that on Wikipedia, civility has attained an almost godlike status). Also, focus on your notability within the world of hot rods as opposed to the credit card fraud expert (until the book comes out you, the citations that you provide make it look more like you are a guy that got ripped off who they chose to interview about it) and the county commission (I'm not convinced that any county commissioner meets notability guidelines unless there is something extraordinary). While I am still not convinced that you meet notabilty guidelines for inclusion in wikipedia (based on what I know from what you have shown me), I will not stand in your way to arguing for undeletion. Just remember to remain civil (think about how you would react to a hot-headed citizen at a county commission meeting after you are (more than likely) elected), assume good faith, and focus on your work in the automotive field. Cheers. youngamerican (talk) 16:14, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Gary Howell

Hello Sir,

At this point, the article in question has had an AfD; in order for restoration to occur, you would need to take the article to deletion review and gain a consensus there. Essentially, I second the sentiments of Youngamerican above. Outline the evidence as you have, calmly and civilly, mention that you did not participate in the debate, and ask for a second chance to make your arguments at AfD. Understand, though: Wikipedia deals with lots of these everyday, and regular editors are a bit skeptical -- don't take criticism personally, and don't lose your cool, as that is the surest way to have your suggestion dismissed by everybody. Best wishes, Xoloz 16:29, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

The reason that "nobody checked the facts" was that they were not in the article to be checked. It is up to the people who want the article to be kept to ensure that all the facts are there to be referred to. The job of the administrator who closes a deletion debate is soley to interpret the result of the debate (i.e. is there a consesus to delete or a consensus to keep, etc) and then implement that result. You have now provided the additional facts and those commenting at Wikipedia:Deletion review will form an opinion on whether this new information means that the subject meets the notability criteria for having an article.

The idea behind starting the article in your userspace is that it allows you to take your time building the article up to the point where it meets the minimum standards for inclusion. Once there is sufficient content of sufficient quality that it no longer meets any of the speedy deletion criteria it can be moved to the article namespace. Thryduulf 17:21, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Gary Howell

As the article has been deleted as a result of this discussion there is little that I or any other admin can do about it at this moment in time. Have you brought it up, along with the evidence you presented to me, at Wikipedia:Deletion review yet? -- Francs2000 17:35, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

The criteria were not met because the evidence for notability was not in the article, so nobody could verify them (see WP:VERIFY) . My (and apprently other) user talk pages are not the place to present any evidence about the article or its subject, you need to do that at Wikipedia:Deletion review - as many people have already said. Thryduulf 21:22, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

The article has been deleted twice - the sequence of events is:

• 22:07, 5 September 2005 Article created
• 01:04, 13 May 2006 Article nominated for deletion
• 08:48, 13 May 2006 Article marked as a copyright violation
• 16:22, 13 May 2006 copyvio message removed (the copyright problems presumably having been fixed in the meanwhile)
• 16:26, 13 May 2006 you add an {{sprotect}} tag [note that this does not protect the article, only administrators can do that]
• 16:30, 13 May 2006 user:Jossi reverts your edit (see my note above) as the article is not protected - doing so manually with an edit summary might have been better than using rollback, but this is (a) debateable and (b) very minor.
• 16:32-16:38, 13 May 2006 you and Jossi repeat your actions a further two times - this was not good form.
• 00:37, 15 May 2006 some minor edits are made.
• 00:05, 18 May 2006 Mailer diablo closes the AfD debate as a "delete" and accordingly deletes the article.
• 00:13, 22 May 2006 Dragular1094 recreates the article with less information than was in the version deleted on the 18th
• 00:13, 22 May 2006 user:Jklin marks the article for speedy deletion under WP:CSD criteria A7 - biographies that do not assert notability.
• 00:37, 22 May 2006 RasputinAXP agrees that the article meets the speedy deletion criteria and deletes the article.
• 16:21, 22 May 2006 you nominate the article for a deletion review.

You might also be confused by my comment regarding a future speedy deletion. If you started the article again, then if at any time after you clicked save (i.e. the article is live for other people to see) the version that people can see meets a criteria for speedy deletion (for example, but not limited to, non-notable biographies or recreation of previously deleted material) then it is highly likely that it will be speedy deleted before you have a chance to expand it to meet the minimum standards. This does not apply to your userspace where you can take as long as you like to get it beyond the speedy deletion criteria.

I've looked at the versions that were deleted and the version nominated for AfD and I cannot see the assertions of notability there that you have presented at deletion review. It is possible that the information you think was missing was deleted as a copyright violation - see WP:COPYVIO. Thryduulf 21:58, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

I wasn't aware you didn't know that, but anyway sorry for the confusion. Thryduulf 14:26, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

hmm

I'm not so sure that people are wanting more refs so much as an article that illustrate a lifeswork that merits inclusion in wikipedia, be it through better refs, a more-thorough article, or whatever. I would suggest that you work on your article at this location: User:71Demon/Gary Howell. I would write soemthing like "Gary Howell is an American (mechanic? car mod expert?) noted for his work on customizing Mopar.....yadayadayada...Car and Driver...yadayada..." and so on. When finished, get feedback from others that have posted on the deletion review and see if it cuts the mustard (I will be glad to lend a criticla eye, too). If it seems ok, then it can be moved back to its old location. But I would say, yes, you should start from scratch. youngamerican (talk) 20:17, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

reply (2)

The wikipedia community, however, found something wrong with your article. If you read through past comments, I did not feel that the article met notability requirements on any of the fronts: as an expert on credit card fraud, automobiles, or as a county commission candidate. As far as the GeneratioNext thing, I'd have to check guidelines, but I am not sure if a media citation of the article can be used to attain notabilty. I would encourage you to bring up this information on the deletion review debate instead of on people's talk pages. Anyway, let me know what you come up with if you want me to take a look. Cheers. youngamerican (talk) 22:44, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Virginia State Highways

Whatever became of a template for Virginia? I cannot recall. Thanks. Mark Vaoverland 21:54, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Woodrow Wilson Barr question

This has the makings of an interesting article. Do you know what particular actions led the Navy to name a boat after him? Alot of brave soldiers died in WWII, but not all of them received such an honor. What actions led to the eponymous boat? youngamerican (ahoy-hoy) 02:57, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

West Virginia mountains

Hey man, sorry I was of no help with the latest debates you messaged me about...I'd been off Wiki for awhile and didn't see your pleas for help until it was too late. I feel that latest issue concerning West Virginia is our lake of articles on mountains. Being that we're known as "The Mountain State", shouldn't we have more articles on our various mountains? I've written some stubs for mountain ridges in the Eastern Panhandle but noticed that many of the bigger boys towards the center of the Allegheny Mountains and Allegheny Front did not have articles. Is a West Virginia Mountains WikiProject in order? --Caponer 22:03, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Image:WV46.png listed for deletion

An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:WV46.png, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. TMF ^{T - C} 21:40, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Reverts to your unwarranted edits

Your edits to Template:West Virginia highways and West Virginia State Highways‎ have been reverted because: numerous reasons.

Your edits are coming close to nonsense removal with no attributions or explainations. Said removal of links because "city routes" are not "state maintained" is gibberish. They are meant to be detailed guides on the interstates, U.S. routes, state routes, secondary routes, and city maintained boulevards within a geographical/city area. Please see approperiate pages in Kentucky and Ohio for examples. Since it is a new project, you may not have been familar with it, but let me assure you that the pages will stay.

And please explain why you removed the image from the template. It was unwarranted since you provided zero discussion or included approperiate references. Seicer (talk) (contribs) 21:10, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

"Roads of Charleston, West Virginia" do not necessairly be part of the WV Highway system. They are meant to explain in detail, the roads of a particular city. See Cincinnati, Toledo, Lexington, Ashland, and Louisville. You completely misinteperted the meaning of my post, so you should reread them and then reread the pages I have cited. Secondary roads utilise circular shields, but I have not made any of them, so do not place the blame on me - and the fact that I haven't updated *anything* about County Routes, you have demostrated that you cannot approperiate the edits to the right editor. Please correct your attributions and try again. Seicer (talk) (contribs) 20:25, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Image:WV-blank.svg

In order to get the above image deleted, you would have to go to the Wikimedia Commons (it links to Wikipedia from there). You can follow the link on the image page to get there. However, it appears based upon Image:WV-RT152-sign.jpg that at least some WV highway signs have rounded corners.

BTW, how is the County Commish race going? youngamerican (ahoy hoy) 13:47, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Scroll down to the bottom of this page. It looks like maybe the newer ones are rounded, the older ones are squared. The last image seems to have both. Cheers. youngamerican (ahoy hoy) 13:50, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't see what the problem is - this sign is made exactly to WVDOT specifications [4]. To say my sign is inaccurate is just wrong. --TMF ^{Let's Go Mets - Stats} 14:08, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree. The signage is designed to WVDOT specifications and I see no problem with it. Remember that this is the same user who cannot differentiate between "City specific" and "City streets" - not that the latter violates any rulesets. Seicer (talk) (contribs) 00:53, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Secondary routes

If they are always called county routes, you can change it. But the fractional routes are part of the same system as other secondary/county routes. --NE2 19:15, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

There are very few true "county-maintained" routes. Greenbrier county has a very small system that are not state maintained.

State primary utilise a square shield. State secondary utilise a circular shield, and may be fractional or whole. State secondary in this sense can be comparable to "county" routes of say, Kentucky or Ohio.

"Orphan" or "House" routes utilise a five sided shield in the shape of a house. These serve only a small collection of houses and you can often see these in rural areas that contain subdivisions.

To 71Demon, I am in good correspondence with WVDOH. I've done a lot of research on behalf of the organisation and had a very large web-site detailing out West Virginia highways at Ohio Valley Transit several years ago. I've also worked hand-in-hand with project engineers, transportation planners, and executive directors on many projects to grab photographs and learn the details about the highways. Do not question my knowledge on my page. Seicer (talk) (contribs) 20:32, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Archive your talk page

Please archive your talk page per WP:ARCHIVE. It is becoming excessive in length and is slow to render on older computers or those with slow Internet connections. Seicer (talk) (contribs) 02:37, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

WV-blank.svg

I didn't create it. Twins Mets Fan actually created it. I created the original, but he deleted it. You should talk to him about it. The Punk 05:32, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Tough break

Sorry about the election returns. Don't give up the fight for better roads in your area, however. youngamerican (ahoy hoy) 13:33, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

a request from User: Vaoverland

Hi! I have been working on Wikipedia: WikiProject Virginia and several other projects with User: No1lakersfan most of this past year. He is now a high school senior hopping to gain admittance to one of Virginia's public university for the Fall 2007 semester. Following advice, he has done maintenance and reference adding work, as well spending time on articles. He is a good collaborator and I believe he would enhance our efforts with WP as an administrator and use the additional tools and powers wisely. Since you know me from our past communications, I wanted to request that you consider entering a vote, hopefully in support, if you agree with my judgment and recommendation at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/No1lakersfan 2.

• • Please feel free to communicate with me on my Talk page at User talk: Vaoverland if you have any questions or reservations. Best wishes for a safe and happy holiday season. Thanks, Mark in Historic Triangle of Virginia Vaoverland 22:21, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

US state-related ships

What do you propose the new cat to include? Are you asking help creating a cat, or please explain a little more. Seasons Greetings from Williamsburg, Virginia, home of a Grand Illumination. Mark Vaoverland 22:03, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

US state-related ships

I'll do what I can. I'm currently busy with Wikipedia:WikiProject Catholicism and Wikipedia:WikiProject Eastern Orthodoxy. --Caponer 22:05, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

State-related ships -- Welcome at Centiare

71Demon, I saw how the State Related Ships category didn't get much support. I'd like to point you to a wiki domain that would not only welcome such a project, but you get to keep the Google AdSense revenue your Directory pages might generate. Read all about it right here, then go visit Centiare. --JossBuckle Swami 14:32, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Demon, as you asked for my assistance, I would like your assistance. I think one particular user has gone too far with stalking others' personal communications with other users. --JossBuckle Swami 14:27, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Personal attack warning

With regards to your comments on User talk:JossBuckle Swami: Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. Gwernol 07:09, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

With regards to your comments on User talk:Youngamerican: Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. Gwernol 07:11, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Of course you are allowed to ask for help, but referring to editors as "WikiNazis" and "assholes" are clear personal attacks. Simply don't resort to name calling and you'll be fine. Gwernol 21:01, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Please don't try to be disingenuous. You were clearly describing the editors whose actions you disagreed with. Just because you didn't explicitly name the editors involved does not make it any less of a personal attack. You need to understand that messages left on a talk page are not private communication - use email for that if you want a private conversation. When you leave a message on a user's talk page you are bound by WP:NPA and WP:CIVIL just as you are anywhere else. Any editor who sees such violations is entitled to warn you as a result. Gwernol 21:13, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

WV ships

You've put in a lot of work, and the information is useful. However, have you taught about using articles instead of categories? That way you could provide one or references for each ship in a list. It would be a lot harder to attack or propose for AfD, and would make for a more encyclopedic data set. WVhybrid 00:45, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Appalachia

Hi. I took a look at your talk page in connection with the centiare.com/User Talk page dispute and was immediately distracted by some of the rest of the stuff on your talk page.

It looks like you've done a lot with highways and their history, including in Appalachia. In Appalachia, highway building in the last 40 years has transformed formerly isolated economies.

If you get the chance it would be great if you added perhaps a paragraph to the Appalachia article on this topic.

If you're too busy or uninterested, that's OK too. --A. B. ^(talk) 03:15, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Great stuff -- thanks! --A. B. ^(talk) 03:18, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Curious

I'm curious but how did you figure to message me to support keeping the categories? ViriiK 15:48, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

US Stae related ships

I did not understand your question about my reservations. Could youn please explain? Thank you, Dr. Submillimeter 21:58, 4 January 2007 (UTC)