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I changed it back . . .

I changed it back to what you prefer, but for the record, the initial objection was that it wasn't sourced. Then, when I provided the source, the objection transformed into The Hype not being a "completely different" (in *all* respects??) band. Duh. But they certainly weren't "the same band that *just* changed their name," as one response earlier stated. Interestingly, the source I provided was also used for several points in the article (including this same point) - about which there was language *in* the article explicitly stating this very thing, that *not only* the name, but *also* the lineup, and *also* their entire record-deal/recording history was distinct . . . so *NO*, it wasn't just "the same band," that *JUST* changed their name. Besides, if you are going to use that argument, it's not consistent with a claim for Ivan McCormick's membership, who the article states was no longer involved after "a few weeks," meaning he wasn't involved in that "Hype-to-U2" transformation gig later on. Dik was, of course, though involved. Again, it's not as simple as either "an entirely different band" (if this is the standard then are any overlapping lineups a conflation of various different bands?) OR "an entirely different" band. It had substantially the same lineup, but not entirely, and its *entire* professional recording career, starting with the *very first single* is particular to U2.

The article is not about just the band's career from the point after they renamed themselves U2 in 1978. It's about their entire existence, which began in 1976. Which means, all people who used to belong to the band are considered ex-members, not just those who belonged when it went by its current name. The former members of The Chicks are still considered former members of that band, even though they were in the band when it was known as the Dixie Chicks.

Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 13:23, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

That's doesn't address the issue - one has to be purposefully pedantic to argue it that way. The Dixie Chicks comparison is apples and oranges, since every member and former member of that band was a member for 3 or 4 years and involved in at least two albums. Again, it's not that any name change is simply a name change and nothing more. Sometimes it is, and sometimes it's not. The totality of the circumstances isn't the same with U2 and The Chicks. And your first sentence about it not being about "the band's career from the point after they renamed themselves" simply begs the question -- it assumes the answer (you're assuming, not arguing *how* it was simply a name change and nothing more), but demonstrates nothing about when the band came into being. The fact that the band had an origin - a prior project that berthed it, which the article addresses, doesn't change any breaks in identity continuity. Any piece discussing an organization will discuss it's origins, that doesn't mean it came into being when its precursor's did. So, no, you're wrong- U2 came into being in the wake of The Hype ceasing to exist - not b/c it couldn't have been otherwise . . . sure, bands can change names - but a lot more went on here.

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Happy editing! Kevin ^{Hallward's Ghost (Let's talk)} 22:21, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

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