User talk:2601:245:4003:2530:1D7E:563A:399F:49E8

November 2020

Talk pages are for discussing improvements to the connected article, not for trench warfare against political opponents. See WP:NOTFORUM. I have removed a couple of trolling posts of yours at Talk:Barack Obama. Please desist or you will be blocked. Bishonen | tålk 17:41, 20 November 2020 (UTC).

January 2021

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Points to note:

1. Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. Acroterion (talk) 02:51, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

If this is a shared IP address, and you did not make the edits referred to above, consider creating an account for yourself or logging in with an existing account so that you can avoid further irrelevant notices.

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you disrupt Wikipedia, as you did at Talk:Dominion Voting Systems. 331dot (talk) 02:51, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Anonymous users from this IP address have been blocked from editing for a period of 72 hours for persistently making disruptive edits.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.  331dot (talk) 02:55, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

If this is a shared IP address and you are an uninvolved editor with a registered account, you may continue to edit by logging in.

If you want to drink the kool aid and wage political battles, this isn't the place to do it. Maybe you can visit Parler before Amazon kicks them off their computers. If you want to collaborate with others regardless of political viewpoint to write an encyclopedia, you will need to radically change how you go about it. 331dot (talk) 02:58, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

I'm not drinking any Kool-Aid. You are. I've raised legitimate objections to the censorship of that article. It isn't a conspiracy theory, it's a fact. And Huffington Post is a reliable source. I'm not going to be silenced. You can talk to me here, or we can use dispute resolution, and at that point I will ask that you be stripped of your administrator status. 2601:245:4003:2530:1D7E:563A:399F:49E8 (talk) 03:04, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Please be familiar with WP:FRINGE and WP:UNDUE. 331dot (talk) 03:06, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Attacking the messenger is always what the aggrieved do to justify their actions and their need to be told what they want to hear. 331dot (talk) 03:07, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Are you saying that the Huffington Post violates those two policies? 2601:245:4003:2530:1D7E:563A:399F:49E8 (talk) 03:09, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Those are not policies for sources to violate. If you want to talk about how a dead Venezuelan dictator is somehow influencing voting machines to rig an election(so are the Senate and House elections invalid too?), you can do that somewhere else, not here. This is not a free speech platform. While blocked, you only have access to this page to request unblock, so you should either do so or wait for your block to expire, but without a radical change in attitude, you are headed for longer blocks. 331dot (talk) 03:12, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

IP, yes, you can ask that 331dot be stripped of their admin status, but your time is better spent working on your Pinewood Derby car or perfecting the recipe for posset. Drmies (talk) 03:07, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Get off my talk page. 2601:245:4003:2530:1D7E:563A:399F:49E8 (talk) 03:09, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

TPA revoked. Drmies (talk) 03:10, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

I won't pile on further when the user does not have tpa, but they could seriously profit from reading this. Bishonen | tålk 04:40, 10 January 2021 (UTC).

Requesting that admin status be suspended for Drmies and 331dot is being contemplated. 331dot was involved in a content dispute and should not have used admin powers to "win" that dispute. Drmies couldn't resist piling on, and insulted me on my own Talk page. (Pinewood Derby cars are for eight-year-old Cub Scouts, not adults who edit Wikipedia.) I told Drmies to get off my Talk page, which any editor has a right to do under these circumstances, and he responded by removing my Talk page access. I know both of you are watching and I'd like to give you this opportunity to respond to these charges before proceeding. Perhaps you can explain why you think your actions were appropriate for administrators in these circumstances.

I'm new here. I have worked on many collaborative projects before. My initial impression is that Wikipedia isn't one of them, but pretends to be. When one side can "win" a dispute by silencing the other side, it isn't collaborative. 2601:245:4003:2530:1D7E:563A:399F:49E8 (talk) 16:11, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

You may visit WP:ANI if you wish to pursue this, though you should be aware of WP:BOOMERANG. I did not block you to end a dispute, I blocked you to end the disruption of your pushing unfounded conspiracy theories to create a false balance and undue weight. If you want to collaborate, then do so. 331dot (talk) 16:20, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

I've had a chance to review WP:UNDUE and WP:FRINGE and I will repeat that this article looks like it was written by Dominion's PR department, or perhaps their attorney. Huffington Post is not a fringe website. The IP supporting Dominion software is still owned by Sequioa, a company with links to the Chavez family. This is a fact. This fact is not a conspiracy theory. It's stated as a fact by a reliable source and should be included in the article, preferably at the end of the lead with further discussion in the body of the article. Hugo is dead, but the Chavez family is not dead. They're still very influential in the Venezuelan socialist regime.

If election theft theories are conspiracy theories, then they are conspiracy theories with a kernel of truth. This is that kernel of truth and it should be included in the article. You "won" this content dispute by blocking me, then as an afterthought, referring me to WP:UNDUE and WP:FRINGE. That isn't how an admin operates in a genuinely collaborative project. 2601:245:4003:2530:1D7E:563A:399F:49E8 (talk) 16:28, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

I don't think you want me to collaborate. What I think you want everyone to do is provide an online "encyclopedia" that reflects your personal views and opinions, dismissing facts from reliable sources that contradict those views. You don't want me stating my opinion. You want your opinion coming out of my keyboard. 2601:245:4003:2530:1D7E:563A:399F:49E8 (talk) 16:48, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

I don't quite get the Pinewood Derby problem. I will be happy to show you the Pinewood Derby cars that I worked/collaborated on (I made a little display for them here in the kitchen) and that my children subsequently entered in various races. And I'll add that over the years we won Most Patriotic, Most Metal, and Most Unique (for the salmon steak-shaped car I entered myself--it was awesome. I had yellow wheels that I painted to look like lemon slices, there was a parsley leaf on the back, and the bottom was covered in salmon leather that I ordered out of Hong Kong via Etsy--it was all very exciting). 331dot, I even have the Pinewood Derby t-shirt! I was wearing it when this came up, a few days ago! Drmies (talk) 17:09, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Then you fully understand why I would take your post on my Talk page as an insult. Pinewood Derby cars are for kids. There are adults who have collections of children's toys. I'm not one of them. Neither are most adults. I'm not going to criticize your choice of hobbies. Assuming that I share your hobby was a recipe for a profound misunderstanding on our first encounter. Drmies, you chose to resolve that misunderstanding by blocking me from my own Talk page. Do you think that was appropriate, and if so, why? 2601:245:4003:2530:1D7E:563A:399F:49E8 (talk) 17:30, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Drmies and 331dot, I'll give you one more chance to explain why you think your administrative actions in this matter were appropriate before I proceed. 331dot shouldn't have hatted the discussion on the article's Talk page, or blocked me. Drmies shouldn't have blocked me from my own Talk page. I await your explanation. 2601:245:4003:2530:1D7E:563A:399F:49E8 (talk) 18:40, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

I've said why I did what I did and I see no need to repeat myself. I stand by it. If you are going to pursue this further as you suggested above, then do so.(again, be aware of WP:BOOMERANG) If you want to collaborate on article content, then do so as well, demonstrating your familiarity with the policies and guidelines I have outlined and avoiding the creation of a WP:FALSEBALANCE. If you just want to promote Republican/pro-Trump talking points that have been judged by judges of all ideologies(and some appointed by Trump) to be without merit, you will have a difficult time here. I don't have anything else to add here. 331dot (talk) 18:45, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Anonymous users from this IP address have been blocked from editing for a period of 1 month for not being here to build an encyclopedia, compare [1].

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.  Bishonen | tålk 23:11, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

• I blocked the /64 range as well. In case an uninvolved admin ends up unblocking, this block also needs undoing. (I meant to only block the range, not, pointlessly, this individual IP as well, but Twinkle did it...) Bishonen | tålk 23:22, 13 January 2021 (UTC).

If this is a shared IP address and you are an uninvolved editor with a registered account, you may continue to edit by logging in.

| reason=your reason here 2601:245:4003:2530:1D7E:563A:399F:49E8 (talk) 02:43, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

2601:245:4003:2530:1D7E:563A:399F:49E8 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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Request reason:

Bishonen, I suppose this is what I get for leaving for a few hours to get some work done that actually makes money. You're wrong on several counts. First, I am here to build an encyclopedia. An unbiased encyclopedia that covers all the facts, using reliable sources, which is what an encyclopedia is supposed to do. Not just a cherry picked set of curated facts that support one political party or the other, from sources that support that party. Including facts which are inconvenient for the dominant political party and contradict their narrative. But it seems that almost all of the interesting articles are protected. Even some User Talk pages are protected, see User talk:Drmies. When I make constructive edit suggestions on the article Talk pages, it get ridiculous. I have made a few edits to the Talk:Barack Obama page, but when I saw that someone else at this IP address was also doing it (in an inflammatory manner), I stopped. A lot of the statements made at WP:ANI are inaccurate, ignore the facts presented, and continue to dismiss any concerns about Dominion as conspiracy theories, including multiple very legitimate concerns that have nothing to do with Trump. It's a hacker's salad bar, open for business, all you can eat, no sneeze shield. And the lineage of its software does trace directly to Venezuela. Smartmatic has apparently been repackaged and marketed as Democracy Suite much like Microsoft word, Excel, Access and PowerPoint have been repackaged as Microsoft Office Suite. But just like all the old MS-DOS commands and keyboard shortcuts still work 30 years later in a "different" software package called Office, all the old vulnerabilities of Smartmatic still exist in Democracy Suite. This has been proven in multiple reliable sources. It's eminently hackable and a good hacker wouldn't even leave fingerprints. What can we do about this? Assume good faith. A courtesy that I have never been afforded here.

Decline reason:

The ANI thread should make it abundantly clear that we're done trying to explain how Wikipedia policy works to, especially with regards to WP:NPOV, WP:RS and WP:CONSENSUS. This unblock request doesn't come close to convincing us that unblocking you would be a net positive for this project. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 02:23, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

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If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

I'm going to assume it wasn't your intention to repeat the exact same unblock request I declined. The template wasn't rendering correctly when I made the initial unblock, and I didn't copy over the request with the response. I suggest your read WP:APB before making further requests. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 04:29, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

• I'm curious, User:2601:245:4003:2530:1D7E:563A:399F:49E8, which of the edits at Talk:Barack Obama were your edits, and which were the edits from the other editor who just happened to have the same IP address? Nfitz (talk) 06:01, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
  • And who also just happened to have the same opinions? And which of you was it that went to my talkpage to complain about my removal of the trolling — you or your twin?[2]. Also, when, according to you, you saw that someone else at this IP address was also editing Talk:Barack Obama, several months ago, did it ever occur to you fix that by creating an account? Merely stopping editing the page seems a feeble and ineffective fix. These are some of the reasons I don't believe you. Compare Wikipedia:AGF is not a suicide pact. Bishonen | tålk 06:55, 14 January 2021 (UTC).
• Wikipedia does not claim to be unbiased. Since Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources state, any bias in sources will be reflected in Wikipedia. The sources are presented to readers so they can evaluate and judge them for themselves as to any bias(or other factors). The truth is what you decide it is, not what we decide. Wikipedia strives to have a neutral point of view, which is different. 331dot (talk) 10:00, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
• But it seems that almost all of the interesting articles are protected. Musing on why that is the case might be productive here. I have made a few edits to the Talk:Barack Obama page, but when I saw that someone else at this IP address was also doing it (in an inflammatory manner), I stopped This is a novel variation, for me at least, on the Little Brother Defense, but it isn't going to fly because even dynamic IPs don't work that way. Also that would be one heck of a coincidence; to quote a simple tailor: "I believe in coincidences; coincidences happen every day. I don't trust coincidences". - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 02:26, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

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You have shown interest in post-1992 politics of the United States and closely related people. Due to past disruption in this topic area, a more stringent set of rules called discretionary sanctions is in effect. Any administrator may impose sanctions on editors who do not strictly follow Wikipedia's policies, or the page-specific restrictions, when making edits related to the topic.

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