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Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (IDW Publishing) - MMPR/TMNT crossover series

RE: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (IDW Publishing) - MMPR/TMNT crossover series: would you please care to elaborate on how I am 'wrong'? The TMNT characters featured are based on the original cartoon versions and the series was published by BOOM Studios NOT IDW, ergo it has nothing to do with the IDW series. 2A02:C7F:F8BD:F100:71BC:967F:C4A7:8E9 (talk) 11:54, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

1st not based on the cartoon since cartoon never crossed over with MMPP, 2nd Being it was Next Mutation that crossed over with Power Rangers In Space not MMPR, and 3rd being no real reason why this should be removed other than :because you said".2601:204:DC00:C6E0:ECDE:5491:A433:ED48 (talk) 11:39, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Have you actually read the comics? None of what you've stated is relevant whatsoever. 2A02:C7F:F8BD:F100:71BC:967F:C4A7:8E9 (talk) 11:43, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Read more than you it seems. Seeing as how you missed the point where Lost in Space was different Rangers than Might Morphing. Anyone who did research would know the difference. Second the comics were not base on the cartoon show or the actual shows. They were base in their own universe as a crossover between Boom & IDW.2601:204:DC00:C6E0:ECDE:5491:A433:ED48 (talk) 12:00, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

The point is that the crossover doesn't use the IDW turtles and wasn't produced by IDW - BOOM just borrowed the licence - therefore it has nothing to do with the IDW TMNT series. The TMNT characters are BASED ON the 1987 versions just the same as the MMPR characters are BASED ON the tv series versions - neither set of characters are the exact characters from the two tv series, they simply share many characterization elements. And again the PRiS/ Next Mutation episode is entirely separate from this discussion. 2A02:C7F:F8BD:F100:71BC:967F:C4A7:8E9 (talk) 12:13, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

That literally makes no sense what so ever. It is a partnership between the two companies to crossover with the comics to connect their comic universes in an original story that has nothing to do with the cartoon or MMPR. Which you blatantly ignore. Also no, PRiS x Next Mutation is not separate issue since that was the only time prior this ever happened. Which contradicts your claim of MMPR crossing over before PRIS.2601:204:DC00:C6E0:ECDE:5491:A433:ED48 (talk) 12:22, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

I never said the comic series had anything to do with the preceding tv series, only that the characters involved are based on them and I never claimed that MMPR crossed over before PRiS (and again it has NOTHING to do with this discussion). BOOM Studios had full creative control over the series, IDW/ Nickelodeon simply granted them permission to use their characters under licence: https://www.boom-studios.com/wordpress/archives/mighty-morphin-power-rangers-and-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-meet-for-first-time-in-new-event-series-from-boom-studios/ 2A02:C7F:F8BD:F100:71BC:967F:C4A7:8E9 (talk) 12:29, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

"MMPR section removed as it features the 1987 cartoon TMNT not the IDW characters" that's claiming it is using show characters. Second which I have stated numerous times is that PRiS was the one that crossed with Next Mutation turtles, which are not the 80's turtles like you claim. Third is it's a mutual Partnership between the two, because Boom doesn't have the sole rights to add TMNT to their comics and vice versa with IDW and Power Rangers, which you seem to not notice. 2601:204:DC00:C6E0:ECDE:5491:A433:ED48 (talk) 12:38, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

I admit I should have used clearer wording in the edit log but that notwithstanding the fact remains that IDW's involvement was to do with the licencing only, here's a comment regarding it from the editor Bobby Curnow over on the Technodrome Forums: http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?p=1812560&highlight=power+rangers#post1812560 - the IDW creative team literally had nothing to do with the crossover beyond a bit of 'lip service'. 2A02:C7F:F8BD:F100:71BC:967F:C4A7:8E9 (talk) 12:56, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Facilitating approvals with Nickelodeon and providing notes on "very rare occasion" really seems to imply they had more than just licencing, IDW Writer & Group Editor Bobby Curnow is an awful sounding lot like had to check out their work and was giving points rarely where it was needed along with some approval from Nickelodeon.2601:204:DC00:C6E0:ECDE:5491:A433:ED48 (talk) 13:24, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

His contribution was still minimal though; And let's talk character specifics:- April O'Neil - crossover version is a yellow jumpsuit wearing news reporter (like '87), IDW April is a college student; Baxter Stockman - crossover version is goofy, blond and white (like '87), IDW Baxter is African-American and has very serious personality; the same can be said for Bebop and Rocksteady who both look and behave like their 1987 counterparts. Karai is based on the 2003 cartoon version of the character in appearance and is not blood related to Shredder unlike the IDW version who IS a descendant of the IDW Shredder. The turtles themselves and Splinter all have visual cues taken from the '87 versions, such as the belt buckles and Splinter's kimono. The only character who resembles their IDW counterpart even remotely is Casey Jones and we don't really get to know that much about him in the crossover. Aside from some stylistic choices, the characters in the crossover are just somewhat more mature versions of the characters from the 1987 cartoon. 2A02:C7F:F8BD:F100:71BC:967F:C4A7:8E9 (talk) 14:02, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

It having 80's series looks doesn't make it exclusively set in the 80's series universe. Also doesn't mean it should be removed because it's not serious all the time like the ongoing series or becuase they don't look characters exclusively one way. Which also doesn't change the fact IDW is still published part of this, which is on a page titled "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (IDW Publishing)‎".2601:204:DC00:C6E0:ECDE:5491:A433:ED48 (talk) 14:34, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Again I never said that it's set in the cartoon universe, it's characters are BASED ON those characters and they have little to no relation to their IDW counterparts and have NOTHING to do with that universe - Stop twisting my words to fit your narrative; the publishing rights are 100% solely with BOOM - they published the comics and they alone have the rights to republish them as trade paper backs as they see fit - IDW/ Nickelodeon get a kick back from the licence agreement and that is it. At any rate the page is now semi-protected for the next 3 days.2A02:C7F:F8BD:F100:71BC:967F:C4A7:8E9 (talk) 15:04, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Then why say "features the 1987 cartoon TMNT not the IDW characters" when you when that was not true in the first place? And again, it's shared rights in this. Simply as that.Because Boom does not have the rights to publish TMNT in their comics without IDW's okay.2601:204:DC00:C6E0:ECDE:5491:A433:ED48 (talk) 15:17, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

You're wilfully ignoring what I said previously about having not been clear enough with my original edit note and just because it was published with shared rights DOES NOT automatically make it part of the same continuity or related in any way to IDW's ongoing comic series. The crossover may use the TMNT characters but it is entirely separate and unrelated to IDW's own published comics. 2A02:C7F:F8BD:F100:71BC:967F:C4A7:8E9 (talk) 15:26, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Doesn't make it solely Boom either. And I never said it was apart of the Ongoing series. I said it was it own thing between the two, I.E. the shared rights between the two you just mentioned it having. Also said that it was it's own continuity, but I can see where you would get confused by that with me saying it was originally PRIS X Nex Mutation and not MMPR X 1980's TMNT. 2601:204:DC00:C6E0:ECDE:5491:A433:ED48 (talk) 15:40, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

You're still missing the point; the page is TMNT (IDW Publishing) - it's specifically for comics that are related to the main IDW continuity in some way which the MMPR crossover is not, just the same as the other IDW Turtles comic book series, based on the 2012 and Rise cartoons, aren't mentioned on the page either because they are separate and different from IDW's main series, that's why I removed the crossover section, it doesn't belong there any more than those other IDW series. For what it's worth, it is mentioned on the BOOM/ MMPR page where it belongs as it ties in with their continuity and they published it. 2A02:C7F:F8BD:F100:71BC:967F:C4A7:8E9 (talk) 15:52, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Yeah and by that logic should remove the one Batman X TMNT as well, since it has nothing to do with the "main IDW continuity". SInce you seem to believe it should only list ones related to "main IDW continuity", and nothing else. WHich by the way, pretty sure the other Batman crossover doesn't tie into main DC Comics. Might have to remove that too because you and you alone believe it necessary. Which is supposed to be put to a vote on whether it should stay or go. 2601:204:DC00:C6E0:ECDE:5491:A433:ED48 (talk) 16:06, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

I was going to remove the Batman series too, they are listed with a link to their own page on the page related to DC publications: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_DC_Comics_publications_(A%E2%80%93B) again exactly where such information belongs. Regardless I have added a section to the article's talk page requesting a consensus for this matter. 2A02:C7F:F8BD:F100:71BC:967F:C4A7:8E9 (talk) 16:21, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

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