User talk:2600:8807:5465:5000:6C23:F44:A87F:F5FC

December 2023

Please do not add promotional material to Wikipedia, as you did to Powhatan. While objective prose about beliefs, organisations, people, products or services is acceptable, Wikipedia is not a vehicle for soapboxing, advertising or promotion. Thank you. Please read WP:Reliable to better understand what constitutes a reliable, secondary, published source for Wikipedia. A mayoral citation by Craig A. Moe of Laurel, Maryland, does not constitute state-recognition of an organization. Yuchitown (talk) 20:04, 22 December 2023 (UTC)Yuchitown

This is not promotional material.... A public recognition of tribal reestablishment was given by the Mayor. State recognized tribes are Indian tribes and heritage groups that are recognized by individual states for their various internal state government purposes. State-recognized tribes in the United States are organizations that identify as Native American tribes or heritage groups that do not meet the criteria for federally recognized Indian tribes but have been recognized by a process established under assorted state government laws for varying purposes or by governor's executive orders. State recognition does not dictate whether or not they are recognized as Native American tribes by continually existing tribal nations 2600:8807:5465:5000:6C23:F44:A87F:F5FC (talk) 20:30, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

In order for a tribe to obtain recognition in Maryland, it must identify itself as a Native American tribe that has continuously existed since before 1790, that its members are descendants of Native Americans that were members of that tribe since before 1790, and that they do not belong to any other tribes.https://cnsmaryland.org/2011/11/29/native-american-tribes-struggle-for-state-recognition/ This holds true for The Powhatan Nation. 2600:8807:5465:5000:6C23:F44:A87F:F5FC (talk) 20:37, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

The Capital News Service link is a news article, so that's good, but it doesn't mention your organization, the Powhatan Nation of American Indians, so cannot be used as a reference for it. As mentioned above, a mayor cannot confer state-recognition. Yuchitown (talk) 21:08, 22 December 2023 (UTC)Yuchitown

According to the news article you said was good the Powhatan Nation meets the definition for a tribe to obtain recognition in Maryland: "In order for a tribe to obtain recognition in Maryland, it must identify itself as a Native American tribe that has continuously existed since before 1790, that its members are descendants of Native Americans that were members of that tribe since before 1790, and that they do not belong to any other tribes." State recognition varies state by state. As mentioned above, The Powhatan has by definition received state recognition. The Capital News Service link has the definition of what it means for a tribe to recognized in Maryland, therefore it is a reference to validate it as The Powhatan Nation meets those requirements. 2600:8807:5465:5000:6C23:F44:A87F:F5FC (talk) 22:11, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

I was just confirming that that was indeed a news article. The State of Maryland has to designate your organization as a state-recognized tribe; you can't do it; the former mayor of Laurel can't do it. You might try reading WP:OR to understand what original research is and why it is not permitted here on Wikipedia. Yuchitown (talk) 22:55, 22 December 2023 (UTC)Yuchitown

The State of Maryland did recognizine the Tribe. The source you were provided was Tribal history as documented by historians and public record. Please reconsider your stance on Indigenous erasure. Please consider that primary and secondary sources should be permitted on Wikipedia. During his Mayoral tenure, the former Mayor of Laurel, Maryland recognized the Tribe as a state recognized tribe. To call a Tribe that exists extinct is false information based on cultural genocide. You might try learning about Native history to understand what state recognition is and why denying the existence of Native people is harmful. 2600:8807:5465:5000:6C23:F44:A87F:F5FC (talk) 05:09, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Would it be possible to get your name seeing as you are comfortable with denying Tribal Nations? 2600:8807:5465:5000:6C23:F44:A87F:F5FC (talk) 05:11, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

You confirmed that the source I provided defining the Tribe's recognition as State Recognition as valid. Therefore you admit that you are denying to acknowledge the existence of a State recognized Tribe. 2600:8807:5465:5000:6C23:F44:A87F:F5FC (talk) 05:13, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Furthermore, denying the existence of Indigenous people based on the idea that "you can't do it" when the definition of a state recognized tribe from Maryland is a tribe that identifies itself as one is you denying a state's right to determine their own tribal recognition along with the tribe itself. I hope you learn about the true history of Native people and stop denying the existence of Native people. 2600:8807:5465:5000:6C23:F44:A87F:F5FC (talk) 05:17, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

I also hope you invest in antiracism education and critical race theory seeing as you either lack the understanding of what it means for you to deny the existence of Native people or you are uneducated on the history of Native people still existing and how they become recognized. Either way, to blatantly lie and call people extinct that are still here is alarming. 2600:8807:5465:5000:6C23:F44:A87F:F5FC (talk) 05:18, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Okay so I am just seeing this back and forth I'm not exactly sure who was replying previously but Id like to clear some things up for you. Currently Maryland is reforming their state department of Indian Affairs so there isn't anything I could cite for you to get a better understanding of how our systems work. I don't know where you got the idea that I had some how confused a mayoral Citation with Tribal recognition lol. There is a simple process you gather your documents, you fill the application out pay the fee submit your documentations of verification etc. The state requirements aren't too different from what the federal Bureau of Indian Affairs requires. And to clarify, our tribe has existed continuously as a united tribal community since 1570 when Wahunsenecawh inherited the first 6 tribes from his father. The Government entity process of legitimizing the tribe through US Fed standards was all that was new for our tribe. We aren't a branch off we aren't a subtribe We are the original Powhatan Nation Of American Indians! In 2019 when I was elected Chief I begin a process to put our tribe in a position that we can make a Government to Government relationship with the American Government. So far we have been extremely successful. Our federal petition which was the condensed version was over 700 pages. Our tribe's records have been very well kept and it honestly wasn't too big a task. 90% was already public knowledge or could have been. The Tribal Reestablishment is only referring to our entity records and the purchase of our tribal lands. Not our community not our culture or our heritage! So exactly what are you trying to insinuate by saying random things like oh the mayor cant give you recognition (BTW any county official offering recognition or acknowledgement to a tribe is called local recognition, which happens to be one of the requirements a tribe needs in order to obtain state and federal recognition. Maryland has given us the thumbs up last year and we will be added to the docket list of their state tribes when the department is up and functioning properly again. However our tribe will be granted federal recognition We only applied for state recognition to help distance us from the state of Virginia! Of course we are happy about it regardless as it is a big stepping stone. BTW that list of Non federally recognized American Indian tribes already had us on it and citations referring back to some site that had all our info.. I obviously didn't add it... And with it clearly stating who and what we are what did you get out of saying all the slanderous comments even said that not even no recognized indian communities don't even recognize us lol🤣 like you know you was lying and you continued doing so? I'm curious as to what was in that for you? Even if the very low chance that people would see your comment 1st off they probably would know better than to fall for that 2nd they could easily just look it up and find the truth. And I seen something about citations going to an article of some kind. I myself only reference legitimate sources such as federal government agency sites I don't even know what news article or publication you was speaking about. My citations were all to Sam.gov or IRS.Gov Or BIA.Gov Or the tribes official website... I'm a firm believer in going to the actual source for undisputable accurate factual information. 2604:2D80:B388:100:5D39:473C:B97E:36DA (talk) 22:53, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure exactly how you are so confused and so confident about it as well lol. You are correct you can just get a mayor to wave a wand for recognition 😁🤣 IDK how you came up with that impression. This is honestly so bizarre I'm not sure if I'm being pranked or not 2604:2D80:B388:100:5D39:473C:B97E:36DA (talk) 22:59, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Last reply. Correcting all the contradictory text on different articles isn't promoting. Correcting texts that says our tribe is extinct with texts that says (In the 3rd person) The tribe isn't extinct, but rather very much still alive and has officially petitioned for federal recognition isn't promoting anything. Correcting the moronic statement that Chief Powhatan and his daughter Matoaka were Pamunkey Indians to the true factual statement that say they were actually Powhatan Indian. Or statements that say Pamunkey was the main tribe of the Powhatan Confederation and was the tribe that Chief Powhatan ran and all the other tribes were Subtribes to the true factual statement that it was actually The Powhatan Nation that was the base and main tribe and the 31 tribes that existed under the Confederacy including Pamunkey were the Subtribes. All of that was false information that was replaced with actual facts and backed up with citations to Government official websites. I EVEN POINTED OUT in the talk on in the article that the Pamunkeys website even openly states they didn't form as an actual tribe until early 1600's and Wahunsenecawh or Chief Powhatan inherited the paramount position from his father in 1570. I NEVER EDITED A SINGLE ARTICLE WITH PROMOTIONAL CONTENT 2604:2D80:B388:100:5D39:473C:B97E:36DA (talk) 23:14, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

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