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meco (talk) 19:14, 5 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ba'athism and Michel Aflaq

Stop vandalising the fucking page... Are you claiming that I don't know nothing about Ba'athism??? Are you a fucking idiot???? Seriously, one of the biggest influences on ba'athism was Marxian socalism you dum fucking son of a bitch... If you had actually read the article, you would have noticed the whole fucking article is referenced.. Why do you think that is??? Do you think academic references are wrong from, lets say, Oxford are wrong, but references from iUniverse are correct... Do you have more faith in the publisher iUniverse than Oxford?? Are you insane?? Why are you even here on Wikipedia... WHy are you even here, that's my question, why??? --TIAYN (talk) 14:37, 9 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Do you even know what Arab socialism is??? Do you even know what Marxism is??? Not all Marxists are communist, social democrats can be Marxist too for instance. You can't be socialist without being influenced by Marxism.. Marxism is the ideology in which modern socialism developed from.. For instance, the social democrat Einar Gerhardsen, the longest-serving Prime Minister of Norway, was a self-declared Marxist... PLease check your history book.. Aflaq was a member of the Syrian-Lebanese Communist Party in the 1930s, and was an active participants in the activities of the French Communist Party during his stay in France.. Yes, Aflaq admired aspects of fascism (what aspects are unknown, but highly controversial), but he was also influenced by Marxism... Al-Arsuzi declined an alliance with Fascist Italy, why do you think he did that?? Thirdly, the majority of Arabs had a positive view of Nazism and fascism; why??? They opposed the colonial powers... Ba'athism is not communism.. You don't even know what communism is, so please stop using the term.. You're the person who would claim Obama is a communist - you don't know anything about communism, or the socialist movement in general. Qasim was never pro-communist, but the Iraqi Communist Party was the largest, and possibly the most dangerous political foe in Iraq, so he made an alliance with them (at the start), but he later (later in his reign), began a policy of repression against them.. Saddam also had a good relation with the communists (two communists were made ministers in Ahmed Hassan al-Bakr's government in the 1970s)... Saddam admired Joseph Stalin, the most evil of communists, and read several books about him (he even tried to imitate the way he ruled; he was, in many ways, successful at that).... But again, Marxism and communism is not synonymous... You can be a Marxist and not be a Communist; for instance, modern China has nothing to do with Marxism, but they are still communist. Example, a Marxist would have opposed a capitalist economy, but the Chinese communist don't. Another example, communism started as a movement during the French Revolution, Marxism as a thought developed from the 1830s to, well, today... I'm not the uneducated person, you are. --TIAYN (talk) 17:37, 9 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Because they are wrong... Have you even bothered to check the references in the articles???

Here is a list of all the book used in the Michel Aflaq article::

Abdulghani, Jasim (1984). Iraq & Iran: The Years of Crisis. Taylor & Francis. ISBN 978-0801825194.
Ali, Tariq (2003). The Clash of Fundamentalisms: Crusades, Jihads and Modernity. Verso. ISBN 978-1859844571.
Benewick, Robert; Green, Phillip (1988). The Routledge Dictionary of Twentieth-century Political Thinkers. Routledge. ISBN 978-0415096232.{{cite book}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)
Bengio, Ofra (1998). Saddam's Word: Political Discourse in Iraq. Oxford University Press. ISBN 978-0195151855.
Commins, Dean (2004). Historical Dictionary of Syria. Scarecrow Press. ISBN 978-0810849341.
Curtis, Michel (1971). People and Politics in the Middle East: The Arab-Israeli Conflict-Its Background and the Prognosis for Peace. Transaction Publishers. ISBN 978-0878550005.
George, Alan (2003). Syria: Neither Bread nor Freedom. Zed Books. ISBN 978-1842772133.
Ginat, Rami (2010). Syria and the Doctrine of Arab Neutralism: From Independence to Dependence. Sussex Academic Press. ISBN 978-1845190088.
Harris, William (1997). Challenges to Democracy in the Middle East. Markus Wiener Publishers. ISBN 978-1-55876-149-0.
Helms, Christine Moss (1984). Iraq: Eastern Flank of the Arab World. Brookings Institution Press. ISBN 978-0815735557.
Hopwood, Derek (1988). Syria 1945–1986: Politics and Society. Routledge. ISBN 978-0044450467.
Jabel, Kamel Abu (1966). The Arab Baʻth Socialist Party: History, Ideology, and Organization. Syracuse University Press.
Kostiner, Joseph (1998). Conflict and Cooperation in the Gulf Region. VS Verlag. ISBN 978-3531162058.
Makiya, Kanan (1998). Republic of Fear: The Politics of Modern Iraq. University of California Press. ISBN 978-0520214392.
Moubayed, Sami M. (2006). Steel & Silk: Men and Women who shaped Syria 1900–2000. Cune Press. ISBN 978-1885942418.
Nohlen, Grotz; Grotz, Florian; Hartmann, Christof; (2001). Elections in Asia and the Pacific: a Data Handbook. Vol. 1. University of California Press. ISBN 978-0199249589.{{cite book}}: CS1 maint: extra punctuation (link) CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)
Seale, Patrick (1990). Asad: The Struggle for the Middle East. University of California Press. ISBN 978-0520069763.
Shair, Kamal (2006). Out of the Middle East: The Emergence of an Arab Global Business. I.B. Tauris. ISBN 978-1845112714.
Rabil, Robert (2006). Syria, the United States, and the War on Terror in the Middle East. Greenwood Publishing Group. ISBN 978-0275990152.
Rabinovich, Itamar (1972). Syria under the Baʻth, 1963–66: the Army Party Symbiosis. Transaction Publishers. ISBN 978-0878551637.
Reich, Bernard (1990). Political Leaders of the Contemporary Middle East and North Africa: a Biographical Dictionary. Greenwood Publishing Group. ISBN 978-0313262135.
Tucker, Spencer (2010). The Encyclopedia of Middle East Wars: The United States in the Persian Gulf, Afghanistan, and Iraq Conflicts. Vol. 1. ABC-CLIO. ISBN 978-1851099474.
Tucker, Spencer; Roberts, Priscilla Mary (2008). The Encyclopedia of the Arab–Israeli conflict: a political, social, and military history: A–F. Vol. 1. ABC-CLIO. ISBN 978-1851098415.{{cite book}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)
Salem, Paul (1994). Bitter Legacy: Ideology and Politics in the Arab World. Syracuse University Press. ISBN 978-0-8156-2628-2.

If thats not good enough, and you want page numbers then take a look at the "References" section... The whole article is referenced,, why can't you see that.. That Aflaq was a member of the Syrian-Lebanese Communist Party is referenced by reference [4]... Its all there in the article.

Thirdly, you don't get; without Marxism there would have been no socialism.. Aflaq was inspired by Marx: have you read the article, see the section "Unity, liberty, socialism" - it is mentioned (and sourced) in it.. You really should learn more about communism - you still believe marx is synonymous with socialism, which is a major problem.. And yes, you can be a socialist without being a marxist, but you seem to be forgetting the most important thing - the majority of all socialist values developed from Marxism as an ideology. --TIAYN (talk) 06:10, 10 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Why do you say you can't find any sources when the article is full of sources.. Why do you do that??? Are you blind, or do just not want to see???

Yes he did, he though the discovery of materialism (a discovery by Marx) was one of the greatest achievements in human history... If you had read the article you would have noticed it is mentioned in the article (and that the statement is sourced).. The problem with Marxism in Aflaq's eyes was its lack of spirituality. This is were Muhammad and all the spiritual mumbo jumbo comes in.. --TIAYN (talk) 08:00, 10 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

July 2012

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