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Happy editing! Nick Moyes (talk) 18:11, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Vietnamese language

Dear author(s) ,

I have some remarks concerning the article Vietnamese language https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnamese_language

1) Section Language variation, in the penultimate sentence: "Most Southerners, when singing modern/old popular Vietnamese songs or addressing the public, do so in the Standardised accent if possible (which is Northern pronunciation). This is true in Vietnam as well as in overseas Vietnamese communities."

My remarks: Northern pronunciation is not a standardised accent, even if in case of singing modern/old popular Vietnamese songs northern pronunciation is used. Popular south vietnamese opera CAI LUONG is only sung in Southern Vietnamese. Popular south vietnamese folklore DAN CA MIEN NAM is only sung in Southern Vietnamese.

Northern pronunciation is not a standardised accent, even in case of addressing the public, unless peope adressing the public are northern vietnamese speakers.

By the way: It should be very interesting to explore/investigate, why modern (I guess, you mean western style-based music) songs are performed in northern vietnamese, although in the north vietnamese dialect words are pronounced differently than in the written form, e.g. ra and da are pronounced as za, trang is pronounced as chang. See also https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA/Vietnamese.

2) Reference Number 46: "In southern dialects, v is increasingly being pronounced [v] among educated speakers. Less educated speakers have [j] more consistently throughout their speech."

My remarks: I am sorry. It is simply wrong, if you are writing "educated speakers are pronouncing v like [v] and less educated speakers still use [j].

It is not a question of EDUCATED or LESS EDUCATED. In my opinion it is an INSULT, when writing less educated speakers are pronouncing v as [j].

Thank you for your time.

Sincerely yours, Nguyen--2001:A61:2542:C001:54A7:A860:85C6:6FBC (talk) 15:49, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

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