User talk:101.175.53.66

September 2022

Hello, I'm Rocknrollmancer. Wikipedia is written by people who have a wide diversity of opinions, but we try hard to make sure articles have a neutral point of view. Your recent edit to Marc Márquez seemed less than neutral and has been removed. If you think this was a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page.
You have now twice added content which is misleading and would give a reader the wrong information - see neutral point of view. Quartararo crashed into the back of Marquez - Marquez did not 'take him out'. The vehicle at the rear is always responsible for the crash

...made an unintentional mistake on the opening lap which took out championship leader Fabio Quartararo.
...but made a mistake that took himself, Takaaki Nakagami, and championship leader Fabio Quartararo out of the race.

This tone "took out" is also unencyclopedic and unsuitable for English language Wikipedia. --Rocknrollmancer (talk) 17:52, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Please do not add commentary, your own point of view, or your own personal analysis to Wikipedia articles, as you did to Marc Márquez. Doing so violates Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy and breaches the formal tone expected in an encyclopedia. Thank you.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 16:07, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Changing from what is currently on the Marquez article to "Marquez was involved in a pair of opening lap incidents which ended the race for himself, Quartararo and Nakagami" would have a more neutral tone. Denisssse (talk) 10:12, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Denisssse. What you've written above is deliberately fudging (obfuscating) the issue. Quartararo crashed into Marquez, as he (Quartararo) was trying to lose the minimum ground, with a slow machine, by making up time in the corners. In the same article a little further up:

At the Australian Grand Prix, Márquez was involved in an incident with Ratthapark Wilairot during free practice; Márquez crashed into the back of Wilairot after the session had been concluded, and for riding in an "irresponsible manner", was given a one-minute time penalty onto his qualifying time.[23][24]

Tell it like it is. The vehicle at the back is responsible for crashing into the one in front. At Rory Skinner: "He missed the last two 2022 rounds due to a hand injury sustained when he crashed into the back of another rider in late September" and at the citation: "Skinner was involved in a collision with Chrstian Iddon, with the Cheshire Mouldings FS-3 Racing Kawasaki rider running into the back of Iddon’s Buildbase Suzuki on the entrance to Brittens". (emphasis added by underlining). Tell it like it is.--03:06, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

I would believe that your opinion wouldn't be the full truth. After the race, Marquez admitted that he had a small moment on the throttle (while closing it) which caused the incident with Quartararo, and yes, Quartararo indeed crashed into the back of Marquez, but if you wish to state that the vehicle behind is always solely responsible for crashes, I can only advise you that it is not always the case, such as in this one. Perhaps Quartararo should have taken some blame, but the crash was not solely due to him. And if you wish to "tell it like it is", and without bias (because inherently blaming the vehicle behind for crashes is biased) I would suggest that the page needs some small edits to explain the incident in full to avoid any confusion.

https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/marquez-explains-unlucky-aragon-motogp-incidents/10371168/ Denisssse (talk) 09:21, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

To prove my opinion that the vehicle behind is not always responsible for the crash, I would suggest you to consider the F1 Azerbaijan Grand Prix of 2018 when Daniel Ricciardo and Max Verstappen made contact. Neither driver was inherently at fault, but in this Quartararo-Marquez case, you lay the blame solely on Quartararo, and assert the opinion that the vehicle behind is always responsible for crashes, which I would think is not always the case. Denisssse (talk) 09:28, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Denisssse - there are several points I could make:

• I am not a follower of car racing
• Marc Marquez was speaking in non-native language, and likely being politic in his statements
• Yamaha Racing Manager Lin Jervis stated on UK television, 22 October, about his rider: "I mean, the crash in Aragon was maybe a good example...you know, he was too close...unfortunately at that moment, at that very unfortunate moment, to Marquez. If you have a good Ducati day, you can have four or five of them there; but in our case there's only one, so...we're under pressure all the time". This was immediately preceded by Neil Hodgson intimating that Quartoraro is over-riding all the time, and that his unique "superpower" was negated by being swamped from the start by faster machines. Suzi Perry asserted he was almost riding on a knife-edge, with Jervis agreeing: "Yeah, I think so, I think, pretty much, pretty much..."
• The UK pundits have regularly highlighted the stress that Quartoraro was/is under when mixing it with four of potentially eight superior Ducatis (more so after the summer break). To me, that showed in his rash, early actions, to try to prevent the competition from getting away
• None of this would be necessary if the Australian IP didn't term the account improperly, ferinstance stating the Marquez took out the championship leader
• Quatoraro's broken bodywork jammed Marquez's suspension, causing a further collision
• The IP is considered as a single purpose account, adding nothing else, that is, no input to any other topic; your sparse and infrequent editing history indicates similar motivation
• The IP has been invited to explain at the article Talk page (emboldened message at the end of this page)
• All of this would be over now without protracted engagement including from yourself
• No-one else has commented, which would indicate that added contextual explanation is unnecessary
• The Valentino Rossi article is massive, with fan-added accounts of races - after a short time it fades into oblivion

In Wikipedia terms, it is now time to drop the stick. Lastly, I realise you are inexperienced, but please try to avoid adding Talk text out of time/date sequence.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 21:46, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

I accept that you are not a follower of car racing, and I understand. But it is incorrect that you insist the vehicle behind is always solely responsible for any crash, even in motorcycle races, which I assume you are a follower of, otherwise you should not be criticising me of being inexperienced. Additionally, to suggest that Marquez was being political in his statements without any backing whatsoever is biased in itself. Regardless, you still have not answered my question of whether the incident should be discussed in full, but you suggest that I should "drop the stick" when you offered to discuss this issue. Denisssse (talk) 23:23, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

You have your opinion on racing incidents, which I am cognizant of but disagree with. Nonetheless, Wikipedia articles should be neutral that explains events without bias, which was the reason you offered to have a discussion amongst ourselves. I thank you, politely, for your contribution to Wikipedia, but I wish to stop the discussion on this topic. Denisssse (talk) 23:29, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Your recent editing history at Marc Márquez shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See the bold, revert, discuss cycle for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you do not violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 16:07, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, I'm Rocknrollmancer. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, Takaaki Nakagami, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. You can have a look at referencing for beginners. If you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. --Rocknrollmancer (talk) 16:07, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at Marc Márquez, you may be blocked from editing.

You have repeatedly asserted that Marc Márquez "took out" championship leader Quartoraro, when Quartoraro crashed into the back of Marquez and Marquez continued in the race. You can explain why you are giving a false commentary at Talk:Marc Márquez#Australian IP repeatedly adding POV content.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 14:50, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

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