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Gern geschehen. Ich wurde stutzig, als ich sah, dass das Ballett "Anna Karenina" als Oper bezeichnet wurde. Von dem habe ich nämlich die Noten zu Hause. Der Rest war schnell recherchiert. Огненный ангел (talk) 23:52, 10 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks. I was going to flesh it out during the next days. Огненный ангел (talk) 12:19, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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tenor?

In role tables, we say what the score says. Some singers are versatile, others develop into a different register, - we don't care but just say what the composer requests. - Example: while Cherubino is often sung by mezzos, Mozart's score says soprano. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:36, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ich weiß über Cherubino Bescheid und dass die Partie im Autograph im Sopranschlüssel geschrieben wurd (wie auch Idamante und Sesto). Mir ist auch mindestens ein Fall eines französischen Sängers genau dieser Epoche bekannt, der in unterschiedlichen Phasen ihrer Karriere Tenor- und Baritonrollen sang: Jean-Etienne-Auguste Massol (1802-1887), der 1838 von Tenor- zu Baritonrollen wechselte (jedoch liegt die Partie des Abayaldos in Donizettis "Dom Sébastien" von 1843 zu hoch für die meisten Baritonsänger, z. B. kämpft Simon Keenlyside - im Gegensatz zu Nicolas Rivenq - deutlich hörbar mit der Tessitur).

Jedoch trifft dies für Honoré Grignon nicht zu: Es gibt keinerlei Information darüber, dass er sich im Laufe seiner Karriere umqualifiziert hätte. Eine französischsprachige Quelle (die jedoch nicht als im akademischen Sinne vertrauenswürdig gelten kann) nennt ihn sogar "basse comique".

Wissen wir aber im Falle Aubers, was der Komponist wirklich wollte? Das könnte sich als ein sehr schlüpfriger Pfad erweisen.

Laut des ältesten Klavierauszugs, den ich lokaliseren konnte (Brandus, Paris 1850) - meines Wissens gibt es im Netz kein Digitalisat des Partiturautographs -, ist Lord Elfort kein Tenor und noch nicht einmal ein Bariton, sondern ein Bass (und seine Partie ist im Bassschlüssel notiert). Laut desselben Klavierauszuges gibt es im "Schwarzen Domino" auch keine Altstimmen, sondern ausschließlich Soprane: fünf Soprane sowie je zwei Tenöre und Bässe; etwas Anderes kennt dieser Klavierauszug nicht.

Jedoch scheint sich die Angabe der Stimmlagen im Artikel nicht am Autograph der Partitur oder einem Klavierauszug zu orientieren, sondern sich auf eine Monographie von Robert Ignatius Letellier über die Gattung der Opéra comique zu stützen. Es werden z. B. Jacinthe und die "Tourière" als Alt bezeichnet, was zumindest bei der der Lektüre des Klavierauszugs als schlüssig erscheint. Da ich Letelliers Buch allerdings nie in den Händen gehalten habe, kann ich auch nicht mit Bestimmtheit sagen, ob der offensichtliche Fehler (Elfort=Tenor) auf Letellier zurückgeht oder schlichtweg ein Flüchtigkeitsfehler des Autors ist.

https://s9.imslp.org/files/imglnks/usimg/2/27/IMSLP245012-PMLP121806-Auber_-_Domino_noir_BrandusVS.pdf Огненный ангел (talk) 13:49, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Überzeugend, danke. Nice to meet you. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:53, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Gern geschehen. The pleasure is mutual. Огненный ангел (talk) 14:41, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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