User talk:Χ/Archive 2012

Tunisia

Funny this: last time I looked, the article on Tunisia in the Arabic WP doesn't clutter its first several lines with foreign script that Arabic-speakers cannot be expected to find useful. Why is it that en.WP seems to have been colonised by foreign-language speakers who feel English-speakers should find two and a half lines of unreadable script useful after the first word (rather than footnoted, where the few who might get a kick out of seeing their own script equivalent can click to see? I see Arabic-speakers are burdened with only three words of roman script equivalent at the start of the article on the United States. Would you like to insert the full name of the US in roman scripted English in that article, plus "also known as ..." with more roman-script equivalent for that, too? We could really make a mess of opening to the Arabic article; its readers would be delighted to have to wade through it to locate the second item in their own language. Tony (talk) 15:13, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Okay... First of all, I am not an active contributor to the Arabic WP so I don't know what their standards are. What I do know is that, on the English WP, every article on a country has the native name in the lead as well as the English translation. I'm afraid you taking this as evidence of foreign colonization is completely irrelevant. Furthermore, may I direct you to the article on the United States on the Arabic WP ar:الولايات المتحدة where there is, in fact, the full name in English written in the Roman Script at the very beginning of the lead. If you feel that putting the native name of a country in the lead of its article is wrong or unnecessary, and if you are able to make a coherent argument for your case without falling into a paranoid rant, I suggest you ask the whole WP community for their advice so that we can make a coordinated change on all articles. Cheers — ABJIKLAM (t · c) 15:26, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

I also encourage you to learn Arabic and start making changes to their WP, since you seem to be so concerned about the quality of their articles. — ABJIKLAM (t · c) 15:29, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Let me remind you of the WP:CIVIL policy, which you have breached by referring to me as incoherent and my post as "a paranoid rant". It's a blockable offence, so if you persist, I'll take the matter further. Tony (talk) 07:50, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

I don't think I did anything wrong. Perhaps you should read WP:CIVIL before saying things like "colonised by foreign-language speakers" which you knew very well would be offensive. So I advise you to look at your own behaviour before making threats to others. I don't think we need to take this conversation any further. — ABJIKLAM (t · c) 13:57, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Perhaps I shouldn't have said that, but I see no evidence that native English-speakers are insisting on reams of non-roman script and transliterations right at the opening of our articles (as opposed to further down or in footnotes). Again, I point to the fact that the reciprocal situation is normally rationed to a very few words in English/roman, not lines of it. However, your incivility was directed at me as an individual. If you do it again, I'll launch action against you in the appropriate forum. Tony (talk) 05:17, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Like I said, if you want to see a change in the way leads are written, take it upon yourself to try and reach consensus with the community so we can make a coordinated and consistent change on all articles. I honestly would be fine one way or another, so long as it comes from a consensus among editors. However, don't come on someone's user page to complain of foreign invasion, and then threaten to use disciplinary measure when, as a result of you saying this, the conversation gets heated. I try my best to assume good faith but you made it difficult by saying this. I understand you could be upset by what I said, but I urge you to watch out what tone you use to carry out a conversation. — ABJIKLAM (t · c) 05:51, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

It's as I said, not like I said. So rudeness begets rudeness, does it? Good day to you. Tony (talk) 10:16, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for catching this major mistake I've made. Now that we've got that out of the way, I trust we can both move on to more important issues. Good day to you too. — ABJIKLAM (t · c) 19:41, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Image for Egypt elections

Hello! You are doing really good work in the Wikipedia. Would you create a diagram which shows the distribution of seats in the Egyptian parliamentary election, 2011 as you did for the tunisian constituent assembly election and the moroccan parliamentary election 2011? It would be really nice if you create it in Commons and also for the Egyptian Shura Council election, 2012... Thanks!--77.4.222.99 (talk) 13:41, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi, I'd be happy to help. But right now the result table doesn't add up to 508 so I think there must a mistake somewhere. Whenever the final official results are released I'll gladly make a diagram. The same thing applies for the Shura Council election. Cheers — ABJIKLAM (t · c) 19:17, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Wow, thanks for the creation of the picture. Could you also create images about the previous Egyptian parliamentary and Shoura Council elections? That would be very nice!--93.134.181.239 (talk) 16:55, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

You created an Diagram by using this script. I also want to create one, but in don't know how to create an svg file. May you help me to do it?--93.133.67.111 (talk) 13:19, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

As you did it here, could you create a diagram for the 2007 and 2010 Shura council elections? If you don't know the official colors of some parties, you could use these of Tachfin to create unity and consistence in these diagraphs.--77.4.242.32 (talk) 16:45, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Sure I'll get to it as soon as I find the time :). Meanwhile if you want to give it a try, you can click here. What you have to do is write something like:

Democratic Alliance, 105, #A7CF40; Islamist Bloc, 45, #00A4DF;

and so on with all the parties. Then save the link it gives you (it won't be an image, it will be code) and upload it on wikipedia. Cheers! ABJIKLAMǁTǁC 22:36, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

How do I save the link (.htm, .txt?)??--93.134.170.167 (talk) 10:33, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

The link should be saved as .svg and uploaded to common as is. Also I noticed the code I gave you was wrong, there shouldn't be any ; after the last party in the list. Once it is uploaded I can take a look at it and make sure everything looks fine. ABJIKLAMǁTǁC 19:36, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

It doesn't work... I can only save it as htm, txt, html or mht.--93.133.145.125 (talk) 15:48, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Alright then how about you give me what you wrote and I'll do it for you. I tried to do it all by myself but I'm not quite sure how the elections worked and so I wasn't sure how many seats each party had at the end of every election. ABJIKLAMǁTǁC 19:33, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

OK, here I am: At the 2010 Shoura council elections, 132 seats were determined. Out of these, 88 were elected and 44 were nominated by the head of state. Of the 88 elected, 80 went to the NDP, 1 to the Tagamoa Party, 1 to the el-Ghad Party, 1 to the Nasserist Party, 1 to the Democratic Generation Party and 4 to independents. Use the same colours as you did it for the 2012 Shoura council elections. Additionally, use #0000FF for the NDP, #B21221 for the Tagammu Party, #FFA500 for the el-Ghad Party and #00EE00 for the Nasserist Party.

And at the 2007 Shoura council elections, again 88 seats were elected and 44 seats were chosen by the President. The NDP won 84 seats, the Tagammu Party won 1, and 3 seats went to independent candidates. Is this enough?--93.133.178.205 (talk) 17:27, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

OK; I have only one question then: How did you make the black circles here?--77.4.192.206 (talk) 18:11, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Please, just tell me what you typed in for the black circles, then i won't ask you anything anymore.--93.133.191.48 (talk) 19:22, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Sorry I forgot about doing this. My apologies. To make the black circles you have to play around with the svg code, I can take care of it. As for the results, since only a third of the seats were elected every time, if I want to make an image of the 2010 shura council, do I have to add up the 2010 election results with the results from 2007 and 2004?

PS: Since you seem to be quite active on wiki, would you consider registering an account? It would be easier to reach you! ABJIKLAMǁTǁC 00:22, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

I tried all, but i don't know what to type in this script for the black circles. To your first question: No. ;) Just make it as i described it above, it'll work, believe me.--93.134.190.165 (talk) 08:41, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Ok it's almost ready. I used #A7CF40 (the colour of the Democratic Alliance) for the Democratic Generation party. Is that ok or should I use a different colour? ABJIKLAMǁTǁC 19:57, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

There it is: 2010 and 2007. Let me know if some colours need to be changed. ABJIKLAMǁTǁC 20:10, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Thank you! I really thank you! Can you show the code you used for it?--93.133.97.3 (talk) 09:11, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

No problem! I assume you want to know the code for the appointed seats? First I just chose any colour to put into the online script to generate the image. Then, I opened the image in a text editor. Since the image is in SVG it is quite similar to XML or HTML so I was able to manually introduce an outline around the circles. Specifically, I changed this line: <g style="fill:#FF0000; id="Appointees"> into this line: <g style="fill:#FF0000; stroke:#000000; stroke-width:2.5;" id="Appointees">. ABJIKLAMǁTǁC 16:13, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

Ah! I really, REALLY thank you! I hope we can cooperate. :) --93.133.92.230 (talk) 08:32, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

RE: National Movement for the Liberation of Azawad

sorry, but it seems all sorted now ;)Lihaas (talk) 08:43, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

1001 Nights

This article looks as if it's going to be under attack by Persian editors again, who want to expunge all references to it being an Arabic work. Keep an eye on it, if you will, as I'm only allowed so many reverts. --Soundofmusicals (talk) 17:56, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

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French in Algeria

Hi! There's already a discussion at Talk:Algeria#French_in_lede Despite the fact that French has no official status, it is a de facto lingua franca, and should be listed in the lead and infobox About edits like this - the problem is that many countries don't have official languages, or their official languages don't cover all of the lingua francas, etc. The United States has no official language. But in non-English articles about the US I expect to see the English names of the country in the infobox, the lead, etc. Japan also has no official language, but the reader expects to see the names of Japanese government agencies, etc in Japanese.

The infobox and articles make it clear that French has no official status, but the name and full names of the countries should be displayed in French in the Algeria, Morocco, and Tunisia articles due to French's de facto status (French, in reality, is the primary language of the non-Arabized government departments of these three countries). The languages in the lede and infobox need to not only include official languages, but also de facto lingua franca/government working languages. WhisperToMe (talk) 19:37, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

As a side note, see the following I've worked on:

• Languages_of_Algeria#French
• Languages_of_Morocco#French

Note that the banner of the Moroccan government website is in Arabic and French:

• http://www.maroc.ma/PortailInst/An/

WhisperToMe (talk) 19:46, 23 October 2012 (UTC)