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David Irving November 2017 December 2017 November 2020

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Fast bomber

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Fast bomber

  • Soviet union:
Tupolev SB , (ANT-40, ‘Katyusha’ introduced 1934, speed 280mph (450kph): Successful in the Spanish Civil War because it outpaced most Fighter aircraft (Flight ref was presumably ‘more than a match for Nationalist fighters’)
  • Britain:
Bristol Blenheim int 1935, speed 266mph (428kph): .The Mk I was faster than most fighters in the late 1930s.
De Havilland Mosquito int 1940 speed 415mph (668kph) : .In 1941, it was one of the fastest operational aircraft in the world.(ref

Originally conceived as an unarmed fast bomber.

  1. Air Ministry bomber requirements and concepts===

.. specification P13/36 (1936) for fast bomber… (compare 1937 HP proposal) The idea of a small, fast bomber gained support at a much earlier stage than is s’times acknowledged,(ref

  1. Inception===

The new design would be faster than foreseeable enemy [[fighter aircraft, and could dispense with a defensive armament, which would slow it and make interception or losses to antiaircraft guns more likely. Instead, high speed and good manoeuvrability would make evading fighters and ground fire easier.(ref

.designed...as a so-called Schnellbomber ("fast bomber") that would be too fast for fighters of its era to intercept.. .and ...Dornier Do 17, int. 1934 speed 220mph, (350kph) .designed as a [[Schnellbomber ("fast bomber"), a light bomber which, in theory, would be so fast that it could outrun defending fighter aircraft.

..(designed as) a swift eight-passenger transport aircraft, capable of besting even the fastest of its contemporaries (but taken up bty govt as a bomber) .established 26 separate world records between 1937 and 1939, qualifying it for some time as the fastest medium bomber in the world.(ref .(in the Spanish Civil war) it normally operated without fighter escort, relying on its relatively high speed to evade interception.

...CANT Z.1007 ‘Alcione’ int. 1937 speed 285mph (458kph) . Not ‘fast bomber’, described as medium bomber only. But speed is comparable

….with speed, altitude and manoeuvrability that allowed them to evade interception by (enemy fighters)

.order to develop a "high-speed bomber" capable of 300mph/480kph...It was inspired by the Soviet Tupolev SB .

  • Also
Caproni Ca.310 (1937, 227mph/365kph
Saab 18 (1942)
PZL.37 (1936, 256mph only
Martin Maryland (1939, 310mph
? Douglas Havoc, Lockheed Hudson

Table: Fast bombers (30s)

Name Country first flight Introduced speed (mph) Speed (kph)
Tupolev SB USSR - 1934 280 450
Blenheim UK - 1935 266 428
P13/36 UK - 1936 - -
Ju 88 Ger - 1936 290 470
Do 17 Ger - 1934 220 350
SM 79 Italy - 290 450
CANT Z 1007 It - 1937 285 458
Bloch MB 170 France - 1940 330 530
Kawa Ki 48 Japan - 1940 314 505

Contemporary fighters (30s)

Name Country first flight Introduced speed (mph) Speed (kph)
Hawker Hart UK 1928 1930 185 298
Hawker Hind UK 1934 1935 185 298
Gloster Gladiator UK 1934 1937 253 407
Fiat CR32 Italy 1933 1933 220 360
Fiat CR 42 Italy 1938 1939 274 441
Heinkel He 51 Ger 1933 1934 210 330
Polikarpov I-15 USSR 1933 - 228 367
Pol I-153 USSR 1937 1939 276 444

Fast bombers (40s): Mosquito Me 262 Arado 235 (Okha: more of a guided missile/stand-off bomb)

Contemporary fighters (40s): Spitfire Mustang Tempest Meteor Me 109 Fw 190 Me 262

Test section

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Problem affecting edit function (reported to WP:Helpdesk); problem isolated to incomplete markers (viz. <ref). Other incomplete markers ([[, ==, #), no effect. Xyl 54 (talk) 08:37, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Amerikabomber

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The Amerikabombers: some comparisons (from Sandbox 15; ?fix error

Aircraft (date of introduction, numbers) Details (range ml/km)
Heinkel 277 (no prototype) range (main)= 3,728 mi, up to 11,100 km/6,900 mi in Amerikabomber role
Junkers 390 (2, Oct 43) range= 8000km/ 4970mi
combat range= 9704km/ 6030mi (reconnaissance mission)
cr.= 9254 km/ 5750mi with 1930kg/ 4255lb bomb load (bomber mission)
Me 264 (3, dec 42) range= 15000km / 9300mi
FW Ta400 (no prototype) range= 9000km / 5600mi.
... ...
B-17 (12,731, july 35) range 3219km/ 2000mi;
B-29 (3970, Sept 42) range 5239km / 3290mi (ferry range =9000km/5600mi
B-36 (384, Aug 46) range 6413km/3985mi (ferry range 16.000km/10,000mi

Distances (b)

how far between at freemaptools.com

  • NY-Berlin = 3967ml/ 6834 km; combat radius = x2 = 8,000ml/14,000km
  • NY-Hamburg =3808ml/6129 km
  • NY- Azores =2427ml/ 3907km (+ Berlin-Azores 2196ml/ 3534 km )

Japanese aircraft

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See List of aircraft of Japan during World War II

Older revision (3 October 2013) of page, with images (for ease of recognition)

Images removed 26 Sept 2015; per WP:AVLIST

Soviet aircraft

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Template  :[[Template:WWIIUSSRAF |.. (= chronological order) |group1 = Fighters |list1 =

List  : [[List of aircraft of the Red Army Air Forces |. ( = alphabetical order)

Table (example, from [[List of aircraft of Japan during World War II | ..

  • Fighters
Aircraft First
flown 		Number
built 		Image
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-1 1940 100

Technical problems

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I don’t know if this is the right place to post this question: I have just placed a new section in my sandbox, but when it was saved the section did not appear with an edit function; I have checked the script but cannot see what is wrong with it (this happened once before, but the fault was a misplaced piece of a table; I can’t see that this time) Can anyone say/tell me what is wrong?
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.I catch such things by a binary search. I first copied the article to my sandbox, then began removing large chunks of it. When one removal fixed the problem, I re-instated half of it to see which half caused the problem, and continued in this manner. Brute force sometimes beats careful analysis. -[[User:Arch dude
Note that if you enable syntax highlighting (pencil-like button to the left of the word "Advanced" above the edit box in the source editor), such problems are much easier to detect. The <ref part comes out in green and is hence pretty obvious. I saw 2 of them in the diff you linked to. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull

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Reporting names

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[[List of NATO reporting names for Soviet Navy warships

.Cruisers (Sverdlov 1948 14 units) Kynda 1960 4 units) Kresta I 1964 4 units) Kresta II 1966 10 units) Kara 1968 7 units) Slava 1976 3 units) Lider 2016 -

.Destroyers Skorry 1949 70 units) Neustramny 1950 1 unit) Kotlin 1955 27 units) Kildin 1950 4 units) Krupny 1957 8 units) Kanin (? = Krupny) Kashin 1959 25 units) Sovremny 1976 21 units) Udaloy 1977 13 units) Lider 2016 -

.Frigates (Storozhoi Korabi : escort ship) Kola 1950 8 units) SK Riga 1950 68 units) SK Petya 1950 54 Mirka 1960s 18 units) SK Koni 1975-88 14 units) (replace Riga) Burevstnik (Krivak) 1970 40(+8) (“) Gepard 1991 6 units) (replace Koni, Grisha, Parchim). Neustramny 1986 2 units) Novik 2016 1 unit) Adm Grigorovich (Krivak IV) 3 units) Adm Gorshkov 2006 3 units)

.Corvettes (Maly Protivo Ladochy Korabi Poti 1960 9 units) MPK Pauk 1977 45 units) Parchim 1985 28 units) Nanuchka 1969 47 units) Tarantul 1970s Bora (hovercraft) Mukha Buyan 2004 13 units) Steregushchy 2001 12 units) (vigilant) Gremagushchy 2011 2 units) (thunderous) Karakurt 2015 8 units)

.minesweepers MT 1943 92 units) T43 1950s 178 units) (Fugas 1930s) T58 1950s 24/45 units) Yurka 1963 52 units) Natya 1970s 45 units) Gorya 1980s 2 units) (Alexandrit : minehunter) Sasha 1954 37 units) Vanya 1960 47 units) Zhenya 1966 3 units) Sonya 1971 72 units) Yevgenya 1967 92 units) Alexandrit 2011 3 units)

auxiliaries SO 1 Kronstadt 1950s 227 units) (submarine chaser) Poti 1960 … (corvette) Komar 1950s 112 units) (missile boat) Osa 1960s 400+ units) Tarantul Shershen 1960s 123 units) TKA (torpedo cutter) Stenka Turya 1972 51 units) Zhuk 1969 300+ units) (harbour patrol) Matka 1977 12 units) (hydrofoil/missile boat) Muravey 1983 16 units) (hf patrol boat) Sarancha 1973 1 unit) (hf missile boat) Svetlyak 1987 44 units) (border patrol boat) Rubin 2007 30 units) ( “ )

Other

  • Aircraft Carrier

Moskva 1982 2 units) Orel/Kiev 1970 - Kuznetsov 1982 3 units) Ulyanovsk 1988 -

  • Battlecruiser

Kronstadt 1939 - Stalingrad 1941 - Kirov 1974 4 units)

Abbr.
Storozhoi Korabi:SK : escort ship Bolshoi Protivo Ladochy Korabi:BPK:LargeA/Sship Maly Protivo Ladochy Korabi:MPK: Small A/S ship TKA torpedo cutter

Tonan Maru

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Ref no. Name Tonnage Builder Owner Dimensions Port Engine/Machinery
84988 Tonan Maru 9866 1906
Denny		 Nippon Suisen KK 460.4
60.2
31.2		 Tokyo TVE 6cyl
943 NHP
Denny
84989 -
ex-Yeikoku Maru		 4370 1921
Osaka Iron Works		 Dairen Kisen KK 345
49.8
25.8		 Dairen TVE 3 cyl
390 NHP
Osaka
84990 Tonan Maru 2 19425 1937
Osaka Iron Works		 Nippon Suisen KK 534.8
74.0
56.8		 Tokyo TVE 6cyl
Osaka
84991 Tonan Maru 3 19210 1938
Osaka Iron Works		 Nippon Suisen KK 534.8
74.0
56.8		 Tokyo TVE 6cyl
Osaka
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