User:Twinzor/Adoption/Les733

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Mid October 2008

(First post pasted from my talk page, to keep discussion intact:) Hi Twinzor, I still feel a bit intimidated to start editing the real live wikipedia... I think I'll just keep sticking to my "user" page and the wiki that I have started on my own, as testing grounds :) So, since that is the case, what do you think is the best way to start? I know how to create articles and make edits... But I'd like to practice how to start a template and a portal, to get a better understanding. Thanks so much for adopting me :) Les733 (talk) 18:09, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

I know exactly how you feel! When I first joined I was afraid of making any major changes, fearing that I might break something. But that's just the great thing about Wikipedia: you can't break it! As the guideline says: Be Bold! Everything you do can always be reverted if something bad happens, so you shouldn't worry about that. It's of course always a good idea to click the preview button before you save your changes, just to see what the result looks like, and please, always fill in the edit summary box, even if it's just a minor edit you've done, as it makes it so much easier to track what's happening when you look at a page's history. So I think the best way to start is to look for anything you can correct when you're reading an article, and then fixing it! :) If you run across anything you're not sure about, you can always post a message on this page and I'll help you out as soon as possible.

One good idea when starting an article, is to start it in your own userspace, that is User:Les733/Article's name. If you'd like to see this in action you can take a look at my article sandbox: User:Twinzor/Sandbox. In your own userspace you're quite free to experiment with pretty much anything (as long as it's related to Wikipedia). When you're done drafting your article, you can move it to the mainspace with the move link at the top of each page!

So you'd like to experiment with templates and portals? I can certainly help you with templates, and I can do my best with portals as well, but please elaborate a bit on what you had in mind. What kind of a template would you like to create, and for what purpose? — Twinzor ^{Say hi!} - Do I suck or rock? 18:30, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Ok, so maybe Templates and Portals are a bit too advanced... Can you check out My Sandbox to see if I created my sandbox correctly? Is that what you meant? How do you keep track of your user pages? I see that you can quickly go backward to your initial User page. Actually, I'm having trouble with my personal wiki to have a page that is a synonym be re-directed to another page. Is there a way to easily do this, besides using Move, since it seems like you can only move pages once? I know, some of the things I'm asking you to help me, is "Editor" or "Administrator" tasks... But once I get my head wrapped around everything, or the concept of what's good/bad wiki-ing, I'll be bold.

I would like to see also about making my first Wikipedia edit :) Let me know if you think this is a good idea... On the Intern Development Program I want to add an article on Auxiliary Internship Coordinators, since I just became one... Here's a description... But I think there should be a new category created for the Internship Development Program. Since I think there could be a lot of articles in here. How do I go about doing this?

Also, if it's not too much trouble, how about the next step, you can show me how to have multiple links off my user page... like this user? Thanks so much for your help... Les733 (talk) 21:46, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Your sandbox looks fine! Now, when you wish to create an article in your sandbox, simply add a link to the sandbox that points to where you want to create the article, say [User:Les733/Sandbox/Your_subject]. This creates a red link, since the page doesn't exist yet. Now you can just click that link, and start writing your article! The link will also stay on the page you put it on, and this is how you keep track of your userpages. User:Phoenix_15 has simply created subpages which he links to on his userpage. The same instructions that I gave for the sandbox work here as well. I'm sorry for such a brief answer this time, but I must be off to bed. I'll explain things a bit better tomorrow! :) — Twinzor ^{Say hi!} - Do I suck or rock? 22:52, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Couldn't sleep just yet so I thought I'd take another look at your questions:

As for User:Phoenix_15's userpage, how he has created that menu is that he created a template of the menu (to keep the code cluttering the userpage) in his userpage. When you look at his userpage in the edit window, you can see this: {{User:Phoenix-wiki/Menu}}. What that means is that he is including the template located in User:Phoenix-wiki/Menu on his userpage. Then he simply made the menu where the template is pointing to. To make such a fancy menu requires some skill in html and css, but if understand those you can go ahead and follow the link I gave to where the actualy template is coded, edit the page, and see how it's done. Just don't save any changes. :) However, if you'd be happy with just text links on your userpage pointing to similar pages as he has, that is quite easy to do, by making links as you would usually do. Thus if you'd like to for example make a page for your awards, you could put this link on your userpage: [[User:Les733/Awards|My awards]]. For a link to your contributions, you'd make this link: [[Special:Contributions/Les733|My contributions]].

Then about redirects. These are also very easy to make! A full, indepth explanation can be found at WP:R, but put simply, you'll just edit the page you with to redirect from, so if you'd like Tomatoe to redirect to Tomato, you'd go to Tomatoe, and insert this: "#REDIRECT [[Tomato]]" without the quotation marks. That's all there is to it!

About the Intern Development Program: Do you wish a write a full article on Auxiliary Internship Coordinators, or just a section on the IDP article? If you wish to make a full article, I suggest you start creating it in the sandbox, so you'd go to user:Les733/Sandbox, edit the page and add the link [[User:Les733/Sandbox/Auxiliary Internship Coordinator]]. Then just click the link and off you go creating your first article! When you think you got the basics covered on the subject, and have added the relevant references, you can either go ahead and move it to Auxiliary Internship Coordinator, or you can ask me to read it through first and see if we can improve it some more. If you'd just like to create a section on the IDP page, you can just go ahead and do it! I know editing mainspace article's can be terrifying at first, but rest assured, you will be quite disillusioned once you do it. After all, that is exactly what Wikipedia is about, editing article's!

As for creating a category, I think that's something we can look into a bit later. You should first get yourself acquinted with editing and creating articles. If you create the Auxiliary Internship Coordinator article, we can certainly make a link to it on the IDP article. If you however want to read up on categories, the full guideline can be found here: WP:CAT.

I hope that long rant answered some of your questions. If I wasn't exactly clear on something don't hesitate to ask for more for a better explanation! And once more, don't worry about your first edit. If you see a factual error, a missing link where the should be one, or even just a one letter typo on any page, just go right ahead and fix it! If you make an error, you can always fix it yourself, or you can ask me to fix it for you. If you'd like, I can take a look at your edits afterwards and comment. — Twinzor ^{Say hi!} - Do I suck or rock? 00:21, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Oh, yes you should go to sleep. Thanks for all the help. This is kind-of addicting, and if my questions get too much, I can def. back down to one writing a day. I see how the html table coding is set up. I think I could set something like that up (but only because I've played around with HTML for Dummies), so my technique seems haphazard. What I don't understand is the { { link name } }. Which I assume is the template you were talking about. So, should I try to set up an HTML menu first?

As for the Redirects, I tried (but didn't save) in the Wikipedia.org, and it works fine. However, when I try to do it in my "practice wiki" at home, I get 1REDIRECT link. So, maybe this too is a template? And if so, is it hard to try to set it up on my own wiki?

As soon as I get a freer moment, I'll write up that Auxiliary Internship Coordinator article in my sandbox. I should send you a present for all your help on my road trip I'm going on next week...

Unfortunately, how redirects work in other wikis is outside the scope of my knowledge, so I can't really help you with setting it up on your own wiki. I think your best bet would be to search the documentation for your wiki, I'm sure there must be some other equally simple way of doing it.

I created two templates to demonstrate how they work. Here's the first one:

This text is added from a template.

And here's another one with a bit fancier look:

This is text is also from a template, with some basic css styling.

Go ahead and edit this page to see how I included the templates, and then take the addresses of the templates, that is the part between the {{ }}, and go there. So Template1 is located at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Twinzor/Adoption/Les733/Template1 . There you can see what's actually in the template, by editing that page. Feel free to play around with those if you'd like, they only exist to demonstrate how it's done! So you see, there's no magic tricks or anything that specially really. Whenever you use the {{ }} symbols in a page, what's on the page that's between those symbols gets included on the page you have the symbols on. I hope that was clear enough to understand, English isn't my first language, so I sometimes find it a bit challenging to explain things properly... Let me give it one more try: If you'd like to have an exact copy of my userpage, User:Twinzor, on your userpage (I know there's no reason to do that, this is just an example), you could do that by simply having the line {{User:Twinzor}} on your userpage.

I should also mention that there is two ways of putting templates on a page, and so far we've only covered the first one, that is, linking to a template (proper term is that the template is transcluded). When we use this method, the actual contents of the template are not copied to the page they are being linked from, but instead the template is read every time someone loads that page, thus, if I make a change into the original template the changes will also appear on the page I'm linking to the template from. But sometimes this is not desirable. Enter template substitution. What this means is that once you save your edit where you added the template, the contents of the template will be copied into the article you're editing, thus, further changes to the actual template will not be reflected on the article where the template is substituted (called substing). To do this, instead of just writing the template's address between {{ }}, you instead add {{subst:Template_name}}. Below I have substituted the demo Template2 that I transcluded above:

This is text is also from a template, with some basic css styling.

Notice that you can't actually see the subst-line there, since that is removed once I save the page, and the contents of the template have been copied there instead. When you're using your own templates in your own userspace the choice whether to transclude or subst is a matter of preference, but when dealing with article's there are some rules when to do which. The guideline on that can be found here: WP:SUBST.

I also thought I should propably give a few general pointers about being a Wikipedian. Judging from our communication so far I'm quite certain that you wont have a problem with these two, but I'll mention them anyway: The 2 most important guidelines on Wikipedia when it comes to being in contact with other editors (in my opinion) are "Be civil" at WP:CIVIL, and "Assume good faith" at WP:AGF. What these mean, and I'm sure you wont have a problem with these, is that you should always be polite when discussing things with other users, and that even if somebody does something that might at the first glance seem like a bad edit, you should always assume that the other editor had good intentions while making it, and if you disagree you should discuss their edit with them to find out if it was indeed a mistake on their part, or if they had a non-obvious reason for their edit. Then again, we do have a lot of vandals in Wikipedia, but for the most part they aren't very inventive and their edits are quite easy to spot. :) Another thing that comes to mind right now is unit conversion. As you know, the English Wikipedia has users from all around the world, so when you have any kind of measurements, be that distance, temperature, weight, etc. you should always have the information available both in U.S. customary units, as well as in metric units. The simplest way to do this is using Wikipedia's convert template. The template takes 3 arguments separated by |'s: Amount|original unit|converted unit. So basically if I'd like to say that I'm 172cm tall, I could do {{convert|172|cm|ft}}, which would come out as 172 centimetres (5.64 ft). Then which unit to use first? That depends on the article, and this goes for spelling differences as well (American/British): It doesn't matter which one you use, as long as you are consistent. So when editing an article that already exists, you should see if the other parts of it user American or British spelling, and use that yourself as well if possible. Same for the units, if other units are Metric first, you should prefer that as well. But don't let this deter you from editing! If you don't know which spelling or unit to use, just use whichever, and someone will fix it later. And I'm of course always available to assist you.

Well, that was a rather long rant! :D I hope you didn't fall asleep half-way through. I'll post more important guidelines here as they come to mind.

As a side note, I'm available tomorrow as usual, but on Sunday I'm taking part in my first ever Horse jumping competition, and that will propably take up most of my day. If you don't hear anything from me after Sunday, ... Well, let's hope I wont fall that badly. ;) — Twinzor ^{Say hi!} - Do I suck or rock? 12:58, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

I hope you and your horse did well~ Thanks for the conversion and pointers to be a wikipedian. I still feel tentative that I don't know something, but that's why it's so great to have you! PS. your English and explanations are great.

First off, Redirects - I found the "manual: configuration settings" and just wanted to post this... so I don't lose, I'm going to take a crack at this, but if you know of any site that might easily help me how to understand... http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuration_settings ... go down to Paths. Will write more... Going to experiment with my LocalSettings.php file if I can find it.

Ok, tried this PHP... $wgRedirectScript (but the Redirect code - #REDIRECT [[link]] didn't work :( But I did figure out how to turn the Upload File on, and I figured out how to upload a jpg for my logo :) Ok, now I'm going to try the templates...

Hi! Just a quick note for now, as I need to get some sleep since the competition is tomorrow. I had this idea how to figure out how redirects work on your wiki: If you can create a redirect by moving a page, do that, and then go back to the original name of the page which now redirects you to the new name, edit the page, and you should see what the redirect command looks like. To view the redirect page, if it works the same way as on Wikipedia, should be like this:

Normally, the url for an article (Tomatoe in this case) is this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomatoe which in Wikipedia redirects you to the article Tomato. There's two ways to get to the redirect page without getting redirected: First one is to open the redirect page (Tomatoe), and once you've been redirected to the Tomato article, there's a link at the very top of the page saying (Redirected from Tomatoe). If you click the Tomatoe link on that line you'll get to the redirect page without being redirected, and you can now edit the page and see the code there. The other way would be to directly insert this url into your browser: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tomatoe&redirect=no

If your wiki runs the same wiki-software as Wikipedia, you could take that url, change the domain part (en.wikipedia.org) to where your wiki is located at, and change the title part (Tomatoe) to the redirect page's name. This way you could see what kind of code your wiki uses! Hope you can figure it out! :) And once again, go ahead and try out editing the live Wikipedia articles! You don't need to know everything before you do it, as it's very simple, you can't break anything, and even if you would make a mistake it's always very easy to fix! For example if you made a mistake, you could just open the history page for that article (the link is at the top where the edit tab is), and click the undo link next to your edit. And voíla, problem solved! :) Also I have a little surprise for you once you get that first edit done, even if it's just a minor one! — Twinzor ^{Say hi!} - Do I suck or rock? 00:34, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

OKie, check out my sandbox for my new page... please comment. Should I add Professional certification in architecture | Architecture stubs as categories? I also edited the Intern Architect page a bit, but forgot to log in... opps. Hope you did well with your races~ I don't think I understood how to "take the url, and change the domain part" (in terms of figuring out the ReDirect). Also, is it a good practice to fill out the "Edit Summary" every time you make a change?

End October 2008

Also, questions with Templates, how do you keep track of the names? Do you always start the template name with { { User:Les733/Template } } ~ Thanks Les733 (talk) 03:55, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

My race went well and I won my class. :) Your article is looking very good! I think Professional certification in architecture would be a good category for it. It's more than a stub already, so the other cat is not needed. And yes, you should always fill in the edit summary, no matter how trivial your edit. Just give a brief description of what you did. Also what your article still needs is some sources. See also WP:CITE for info on how to do it.

The easiest way to keep track of any pages you have in your userspace is to make links to them on some page, like you did in your sandbox. Same goes for templates, as they are just like every other page. You could for example have an index page for your templates, such as Les733/My_templates where you could link to each template that you have in your userspace. You can link to them the normal way with [[ ]]'s. I think what the hardest part for me to understand about this when I was a new user was that the template page's are no special in any way! You can link to them and edit them just like any other page. In fact, any page can be used as a "template", that is, it can be linked to with {{ }}'s. In fact, take a look at User:Twinzor/Adoption/Les733/Test. Looks just like this page. Now edit that page. And what's there? A template link to this page. See? No magic pixie dust here, just a simple link to this page with {{ }}'s. :)

What I meant with changing the domain part in the url, is that for wikipedia the url for an article looks like this:

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomatoe

Now, in this url the domain is en.wikipedia.org. If your own wiki is online somewhere, you can put your address in place of en.wikipedia.org, thus, if the address to your wiki would be www.les733.com, you'd change the url to www.les733.com/wiki/Tomatoe. But then again, this only work if your wiki is online. It might be easier to use the other way I explained above, that is, moving a page from A to B, going to page A and get redirected to B, and then on B click the link in "(redirected from A)", which should open the page A without redirecting you. Unfortunately this is all I have time for today, as I'm going on a little trip. I'll be back on Wednesday, and from then on my schedule should leave more room for Wikipedia! :) — Twinzor ^{Say hi!} - Do I suck or rock? 08:07, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I'm going to have to lay a bit low until next week too. Going on road trip + conference, than I have a structural exam. Wish me luck. Thanks for the whirlwind of help~ will get back to some of the tasks you've set out for me by November 1st or so :) Hey Twinzor, do you have an email address? You can email me at a.les.lee@gmail.com thx :)

Hi! I wish you the best of luck in your exam, and hope that the road trip and conference go well as well. :) Just let me know when you have time to continue the tutoring! :) I'd rather not post my e-mail address anywhere on WP, as after it's posted it would be nearly impossible to ever hide it again permanently. I might drop you a line someday though, and if you wish to e-mail me you can do so by going to my user page and clicking the "e-mail this user" link that's on the left side of the page, in the toolbox section. Once again, all the best and good luck with your exam! — Twinzor ^{Say hi!} - Do I suck or rock? 14:28, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

December 2008

Hi Twinzor! Sorry I've been MIA. I was wondering if I could start an article on casework. There is not an article about this yet... It basically means architecture cabinetry. I'm going to start it... can you look at it and give me feedback? Thx :) Ok... I cannot figure out how to cite the sources... Oh yes, and I figured out the template thing, thx :) Maybe there is a Wiki project that I can get involved with to add the right stuff the right way to wikipedia? Any suggestions? Thx again for all your help!

Hi Les! First of all, let me apologize for disappearing for a while. There were some work related issues which caused quite a bit of stress, and I've been in a rather generally uninterested mood. But it's not all bad, since I got engaged to my girlfriend on the 1th of December, and we're getting married in the summer. :)

I think your idea for an article is great! Just expand it some more, and we'll move it to mainspace. Then to references. There's two methods of sourcing an article: general sources, and inline citations. You should prefer the latter, as that will make it easier for others to verify your sources. Here's how to do it:

For general sourcing just add your references under the "references" section in your article. For example, if you're quoting a book called "Why sourcing is important", published in 1985 and authored by John Doe, you would add:

*Doe, J (1985). ''Why sourcing is important'', (book publisher here), (page number here, if applicable).

You should also use the ISBN number when citing books. And then on to the more important one, inline citations:

For inline citations, you add the actual citation in the main text of the article immediately after the part which you've cited from that particular source. It will show up as a small number, which I'm sure you've seen around WP, and the full info will be added to the references section of the article. Here's how to do this when citing printed materials: First of all, follow the instructions I gave for general sourcing, and make a list of the printed works you're citing (omitting page number in this case). Then, insert <ref>Doe 1985, p. 42.</ref> after the part you're citing from the aforementioned John Doe's book, from page 42 in this case. The full information of the printed work is not necessary here, because we already have all that in section we made before. Now we're just indicating what exactly are we quoting from that source. Then you should add a new section in your article titled Notes, and under that section add {{reflist}}. This is a template, that will automatically add all your notes made with <ref>. You can also quote material on the internet, and for that you'd change the inline reference to <ref>[http://www.google.com Google front page], retrieved on 2008-12-05</ref>. To clarify this a little, let's break it to it's components. First of all the [] symbols make an external link, in this case to www.google.com. The next part is the description of what you're linking to, and then lastly you should indicate when you retrieved the information from that site, as internet pages can change or disappear as time passes. The link made with the square brackets can seem a bit odd at first, but what it does is that is takes the first part (that is the part before the first white space) and uses that as the target address. Whatever comes after the first space will be the description of the link. If you're using only references that are on the internet, you can go ahead and move the reflist template to the references section of the article. To get a glimpse on how this all looks, see for example one of my very first whole articles: Jerry Ropero.

I hope that cleared things up a bit! :) If not, you are, as always, free to ask me to explain things better. :) I should be more responsive from now on. For a more official explanation on references you could look up WP:REF, which covers the same things I explained here, plus some more. Take care now! :) — Twinzor ^{Say hi!} - Do I suck or rock? 11:34, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh and about Wikiprojects, sure, if you find one that you feel interested in, go ahead and join it! I think this might be of interest to you: Wikipedia:WikiProject Architecture. This one is also worth a look: Wikipedia:WikiProject Geographical coordinates. But by all means, join the ones you find interesting! :) — Twinzor ^{Say hi!} - Do I suck or rock? 13:14, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi Twinzor! Congradulations on your engagement! That's so exciting~

• Your explaination about the references was really helpful thx. Would you know where I can look so I can set up the Reference on my own wiki?
• Also can you see if I joined the architecture project right? What do I do next?
• I still want to add a little bit more to the casework article, but if you have any suggestions or comments, let me know.
• Also, is there a way I can start my own casework infobox? How would I start this?
• Also, I have saved this page on my "watchlist" but I never get emailed when you add to it, is there a way to get an email?

Thanks for all your help~ And don't worry I understand the ebbs and flow of life =). And I've asked probably too many questionsLes733 (talk) 07:50, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

• Hi again! Seems like you joined the project correctly! Now what to do next is a good question. Each project has different tasks to do. WikiProject Architecture seems to have a "Things you can do"-list available, so I'd start there. You could for example start with the articles needing peer review. Just read one, and write comments about the articles weaknesses and strengths in the article talk page. Or just fix it yourself! :) Be mindfull though not to enter any edit wars. Basically an edit war is a disagreement between 2 or more editors on what should be included in the article, and what shouldn't. You can spot these by looking at the page history. If you see 2 editors constantly reverting each other, there's an edit war going on and you shouldn't add fuel to the flames by editing the part being argued upon, but rather offer your insight on the talk page and help resolve the issue via mediation and negotiating. Altough I'm not sure how big of a problem this is on architecture articles. Certainly can't be as bad as with articles regarding politics, presidents, genocides & the like. Which bring to mind another important WP-rule which you should be aware of, even though I'm sure this will not concern you, and that is the Three revert rule. You can read up on it, but basically it says you can't revert a single article more than 3 times within 24h, and it exists solely to prevent edit-warring.

• Your casework article seems to be coming along nicely! In fact, I think it's good enough to be moved to mainspace! Don't worry if you feel like it's not perfect yet, it doesn't need to be. So, go ahead and move it to mainspace, you can continue working on it once it's there. :)

• Casework infobox? Do you mean the kind that's located in the top right corner or an article, like Template:Infobox_Architect, the kind that's in the bottom of the page like Template:Conspiracy_theories, or something else?

• Unfortunately, there is no way to get an e-mail notification on changes to articles on your watchlist. They only show up on your watchlist page.

• As for setting up references on your wiki, I'm afraid this is something I can't help you with. :( Basically, I have no knowledge of actually setting up a wiki.

And heh, you certainly haven't asked too many questions! Keep 'em coming! :) — Twinzor ^{Say hi!} - Do I suck or rock? 13:06, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi Twinsor, Happy Holidays. Thanks for responding so quickly! So, I finally posted my casework article up to main space. Should I categorize it? Or is that what editor's do? I also figured out redirects, the key is that there can be no spaces between the #redirect and the link... duh. My 9th exam is Monday, Dec. 29th, so I'll be MIA some more... But, I do want to figure out how to make my own infobox... like how you used an infobox for your Jerry Ropero DJ. I think it'd be nice to make some of the casework articles that hold similar variables, like how they are doing it here: Template:Infobox... Talk more later! Les733 (talk) 05:14, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Hey Les, happy holidays to you as well! Good job with your article! I posted a little something on your talk page in regards to that. :)

You can categorize the article. To make this a bit more convenient, I suggest you go to your wikipedia preferences, which are accessible via the "my preferences" link in the upper right hand corner, right between "my watchlist" and "my talk", or just click here. Next go to the gadgets section of the preferences page. Under "Editing gadgets" you'll find HotCat. Tick the box next to it, and save your preferences. Now scroll to the bottom of your article, and you should see a line with "Categories: (+)", which you can click, and then just start typing the name of the category. If you don't see the link at the bottom of the page, this means you'll have to bypass your browser cache. One thing to note is that articles should not be part of both a child and parent category, and out of the two you should always choose the narrower category, meaning that for example if you wanted to categorize an article about a living person, you shouldn't put the article in Category:People_by_status, but rather in Category:Living_people. If Category:Living_people had a subcategory, say "Living children" and your article was about a child, you'd use just the living children category. I hope I'm making sense here...

Let's talk about infoboxes after the holidays. I wish you the best of luck with your exam, and all the best for the new year if I don't catch you here before that! — Twinzor ^{Say hi!} 11:52, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi Twinzor! Yup, that category explination makes perfect sense! And thanks so much for the award! PS. I got tired of scrolling, I'm sure this is a very not good practice, but I added headlines. If you want to change it to something else, or tell me to not edit the past, let me know. PS. thanks for the luck for my 9th exam -- Happy New Year'sLes733 (talk) 20:33, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Hey. Your idea to add sections to this page was brilliant... I'm only a bit ashamed I didn't think of it. :P — Twinzor ^{Say hi!} 22:35, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

January 2009

Hi Twinzor, sorry I've been MIA. I'm studying for another exam on Wednesday... But I have found another article I want to create. It's on Storefront. However, I still need to figure out what to put in it. More soon :) But do check out my casework article and let me know what do with that one next?

Hey! Don't worry about it. We're all busy every now and then. Hope your exams have been going well. :) Some pointers about the casework article:

• Don't be deterred from editing the article by the maintenance templates. However, don't remove them from articles you've created until the issues are resolved.
• The Casework Reference Books-section might be more suitable as a Further reading-section (see WP:FURTHER), but I'm not 100% sure on that. Do you plan on adding more prose to the section? The section could also be turned into prose, explaining the US standards and using the books you've mentioned as sources.
• I just noticed that you moved the page into mainspace with a copy & paste move. Since you're the only contributor and the page's original history isn't that long, it's no big deal, but in the future please rather use Wikipedia's move function, accessible via the move tab next to the history tab in the top of the screen. This is because when you move text with a copy & paste the history of the page is lost, and it should always be kept intact.
• As a general pointer, article's should be written to a global audience, from a global point of view. That is to say, if you refer to a US (or any other country for that matter) law/act/etc, you should note that it applies only in the United States, thus "Casework heights varies based on user which are subject to ADA requirements" could probably be changed into "Casework heights varies based on user, and in the United States are subject to ADA requirements" or something similar. Same goes for the standards section if we're talking about US standards.

Other than that, I think it's a very nice start! You have sourced it, which is ever-so-important in Wikipedia. Well done! :) — Twinzor ^{Say hi!} 17:06, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

May 2009

Hey Twinzor, Once again sorry for being MIA! I have my last ARE exam in mid June... Then I'll have more time. I see that you're totally helping to oversee the casework article... Thx! Shouldn't I be getting emailed, everytime someone updates something? NE ways, hope everything is well with you. Les733 (talk) 17:29, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

July 2009

Hey Twinzor, how's it going? Well, I've passed 8 exams, and need to re-take 1 more by December! So, maybe I'll have more time to add to the wikipedia! This is a note mostly for myself... I'd like to write an article on Stair landings at some point... Also I joined Wikipedia:WikiProject Woodworking today.