User:Tim riley/Archive2

Barnstar

It's about time I gave you this:

		The Original Barnstar
		I hereby award this Original Barnstar to User:Tim riley for his excellent contributions to Wikipedia, including the painstaking research and elegant writing that have elevated the Malcolm Sargent and Thomas Beecham articles to Good Article status. His careful work and collaborative spirit are much appreciated. -- Ssilvers (talk) 23:21, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

-- Ssilvers (talk) 23:22, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

German/European productions of Pinafore

By all means. If you can find any info, please do. The gentleman asked only about Pinafore, but I would be interested in anything you find on the others. -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:36, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Hi Tim, thanks for your offer to help me finding more info. I've already done some research using Google Books, and I've started collecting the results at de:H.M.S._Pinafore#Deutschsprachige_Fassungen. It seems that several libretti have been published in German. Interestingly, one of these was written at the suggestion of Bertolt Brecht. Also, the 1881 performance in Berlin running under the name of Amor an Bord ("Cupid on Board") seems to have flopped (not surprisingly), owing to "the impossibility of anything like political caricature in Germany". Another interesting finding is that the translated libretto which was published one year later contains the first published full score of any G&S opera. I'd still like to know more about the reception of the opera in Germany. Possibly I will find more details in the German operetta literature which I've just ordered. Any further information would be welcome. --Phrood (talk) 20:11, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Davis

I have proofread the article and left you a number of hidden comments throughout that you can see in the edit screen. -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:47, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Betty Huntley-Wright

Hi Tim
I apologise for taking so long in getting back to you RE: Wright family. Betty was born Betty Jessie Wright, Hampstead London, 3rd Dec 1911. She died from heart disease, 27th May 1993, Camden London. These details come from the GRO certificates. I have more info to come RE: Huntley Wright. I will try not to take so much time... Thanks for all your hard work. -- Ozzi0206 (talk) 13:06, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Hi, Ozzi! I added the info to Betty's article. Tim, would you kindly refine the citation that I added to the death info? All the best, -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:19, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

John Barbirolli

Hi, Tim. Thanks for alerting me to this article, as I have been a fan of Barbirolli's conducting for some time. I'll be glad to look it over for peer review. Jonyungk (talk) 17:52, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

I've left comments for you on the peer review talk page. Jonyungk (talk) 23:39, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Gustav Mahler 150th anniversary

Just a word in advance: in March I will be working on the Gustav Mahler article, with a view to bringing it to featured standard in time to be TFA on 7th July, the 150th anniversary of Mahler's birth. First off I will be posting a list of Mahler's works, then on to the main task. You may be interested in keeping track of these developments and, of course, you are welcome to participate. Brianboulton (talk) 16:28, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

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Wilfred Rhodes

Thanks for the information about Rhodes. Very interesting, but not sure how I can use it at the moment, as the article is already huge! I may be able to fit it into another article, though. Thanks again. --Sarastro1 (talk) 10:58, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Bluebell in Fairyland

Please take a look at this when you have a moment. I'm having trouble finding enough info on it. -- Ssilvers (talk) 22:53, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Il ritorno d'Ulisse in patria

I've sent the article to FAC after a pretty thorough PR. Thanks for your help & encouraging comments. Brianboulton (talk) 13:14, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Just to let you know that the article was promoted, over an oppose from User:Stifle who objected to the non-free image and the soundfile. Fortunately he was rebutted. In my view both of these are important elements in the article, and it would have been a great pity to lose either. I'd like to thank you again for your helpful comments at peer review and for your support at FAC. Now, for the next few weeks, my wiki life belongs to Mahler. Brianboulton (talk) 19:18, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Carte

No, not Bridget, I think. I'll work on the opera company article and ask for your help when I've done what I can. -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:00, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Mahler peer review

I have sent the Mahler article to peer review. Comments would be much appreciated. Brianboulton (talk) 18:30, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

FAC images

Hi. I think you should leave a note on the FAC nom so we can attempt to solve the issue in order for your nom to go forward, no? Otherwise I'm not sure where else you would leave comments besides a separate deletion discussion. Best Hekerui (talk) 21:31, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Hi, what about the the info for the date and author of File:Gustav Holst.jpg. You wrote you looked it up. Regards Hekerui (talk) 23:55, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Hi, guys. I thought Tim said that the image was taken in 1921 but by a photographer who died in 1944. Then, I thought Hekerui said that, in that case, the image can be uploaded to en.Wikipedia with a PD-US tag. Can we do that while the image is on Commons? I thought you can't have the same image on both commons and En.Wikipedia? If so, though, Hekerui, can you go ahead and transfer it to en.Wikipedia, just to move this forward? All the best, -- Ssilvers (talk) 00:28, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

The above is correct. Image taken 1921. Photographer died 1944. See NPG site: here. If this is not OK for en.Wikipedia I wonder if we can use a 1910 painting of Holst by an artist called Millicent Woodforde. I can find no dates for her, and she is not mentioned in Grove Art Online, The Oxford Companion to Western Art, the Encyclopedia of Aesthetics, The Concise Oxford Dictionary of Art Terms, and the Art Full Text reference site. Nor is she mentioned in the archives of The Times, The Manchester Guardian or The Observer. Is it accepted as reasonable to use a picture painted 100 years ago by someone whose date of death we cannot establish? - Tim riley (talk) 06:53, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

You say the photogtapher died 1944 but the NPG page says the photographer was Herbert Lambert and died 1936, which makes the image fine. I updated the Commons page. Hekerui (talk) 08:10, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Boult's coauthors

I made a change; the alternative is to list the coauthor as the author: "author=Emery, Walter (coauthor)", but this changes other elements of the formatting, like the year placement. Magic♪piano 14:30, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Congratulations

Glad to hear that Adrian Boult was promoted. Definitely well deserved. Jonyungk (talk) 22:18, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Congratulations from me as well. Hekerui (talk) 23:25, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Congratulations, Tim. Your series of high-quality articles on conductors is some of the best work in the entire Classical Music area of Wikipedia. Just so folks know, here is a list of just a few of your accomplishments in this area alone:

• Adrian Boult
• Malcolm Sargent
• Thomas Beecham
• John Barbirolli
• Richard D'Oyly Carte

• Charles Groves
• Isidore Godfrey
• Hamilton Clarke
• Arthur Sullivan
• Geoffrey Toye

-- Ssilvers (talk) 03:45, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Wow! How very kind! I am much touched, and I can only trust that I shall ensure a continuance of those favours which it will ever be my study to deserve. - Tim riley (talk) 18:14, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Gustav Mahler

Just to let you know, I've closed the peer review as I don't think further comments are likely. The article is probably as ready for FAC as I can make it, so I've nominated it there. We shall see...

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Elgar

Tim, let me just congratulate you and thank you for all the effort you are currently putting into this article. I have been following it for quite a while.--Kudpung (talk) 14:22, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know about the peer review for this article. I'll be glad to look over the article once Brian is finished. Jonyungk (talk) 00:42, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Fred Thompson (writer)

The DYK project (nominate) 18:03, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Agate

Well done. Please check to see if my newest edit is correct and helpful. If not, please revise as appropriate. -- Ssilvers (talk) 21:08, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

A little more of Mahler...

I've been working on Mahler's Eighth, as a kind of follow-up to the biographical article. I'm trying to get some feedback from music people (who are a bit thin on the ground at the moment - I think Jonyungk is away) If you could take a look I'd be most grateful. Brianboulton (talk) 22:49, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Nominated at FAC today, if you'd care to look. Brianboulton (talk) 23:58, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

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I do not speak 'British English'. I speak English English.

Tim, I find the above statement very interesting. Would you care to expand? I feel you may be able to offer some valid comments to a couple of floundering discussions on the English that is spoken in England, and the way it is represented in the Wikipedia's unique version of the IPA.--Kudpung (talk) 00:54, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

This is a slightly tongue-in-cheek rearguard action against the modern presumption (which in truth I admit is perfectly correct) that the English people no longer own the English language. My little squib about "English English" is frivolous, but it is nevertheless true that to those of us English people who care about the language, it is a perpetual irritation to see what those who have borrowed it from us (or, some might say, have had it imposed on them) do to it. Such a view is, I admit, as vain as the idea of the Académie française that they can preserve and control the French language, but I like to have a go every now and then, even if it's something as simple as resisting the Americanism "He had a house on Regent Street" and insisting on the English, "He had a house in Regent Street". It doesn't really matter, except that there seems a reverse imperialism which one is inclined to rebel against. As to the IPA, it is splendidly objective phonetically, but not much use in coping with changing received pronunciation. E.g. in England, young R.P speakers pronounce the word "book" noticeably differently from the way I (late middle-aged) pronounce it. Which version would one use - the new generation's or the old fogey's? - Tim riley (talk) 19:51, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

I object strenuously to the comment above by Tim riley that he is "late middle-aged". He is, in fact, from the "early modern" period. -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:56, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Kindly behave, Ssilvers! I am, in point of fact, a particularly haughty and exclusive person ... I can trace my ancestry back to a protoplasmal primordial atomic globule. Tim riley (talk) 20:04, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Er, to jump into the original question by Kudpung, I have heard other people from England object to the phrase "British English". I think that they would say that they speak differently from, e.g., Scots English (of course, pronunciation varies regionally within England; ask Henry Higgins). Despite pronunciation differences, however, I believe that the rules for written English are consistent throughout the UK. So, I think that Tim's objection to the phrase "British English" is more poetic than practical, in the case of the encyclopedia. Am I right, youngish Tim? -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:03, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Not so much poetical as rhetorical. It is true that in writing - though most definitely not in speech - English English is broadly consistent throughout these isles. It was not ever thus:

• And one of them named sheffelde a mercer cam in to an hows and axed for mete and specyally he axyd after eggyes. And the goode wyf answerde that she could speke no frenshe. And the marchaunt was angry for he also coude speke no frenshe but wolde haue hadde egges and she vnderstode hym not. And thenne at laste a nother sayd that he wolde haue eyren. Then the good wyf sayd that she vnderstood hym wel. (Prologue to The Booke of Eneydos, c. 1490)

Eggyes, eh? This must have been written by that scamp, Sir Francis Bacon! -- Ssilvers (talk) 22:51, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

God may forgive you (to quote Good Queen Bess) but I never shall. - Tim riley (talk) 16:52, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Sir, you cut me to the quick; and all for a rhetorical basket of eggyes. I vnderstand ye wel, and this insulte will not be forgottyn. -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:50, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

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Côte-Rôtie AOC

Tim, don't worry too much about my comments on that talk page. I'm rather a stickler for correct interpretation of the MOS, but instead of responding to unfriendly comments to prove a point, I have resigned my long membership of the WP:WINE and will return to the real world of tending my vines.--Kudpung (talk) 06:19, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Shawe-Taylor

Hi Tim, just a line to say how much I enjoyed reading your item on the above. Very nicely and fluently written I thought, thankyou very much. All the best, Eebahgum (talk) 22:37, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Citation reference

Hello Tim. I was looking over the Savoy Operas page and I found this reference tag:

See e.g., The Manchester Guardian, 17 September 1910, p. 1, advertising The Mountaineers.

I have questions about this article. Would you be willing to answer them? Slfarrell (talk) 21:24, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Elgar peer review

I have added a further comment on the PR page about the list of selected works. I'm mentioning it here in case you miss it on that rather complex page. Brianboulton (talk) 00:09, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

I was unable to contribute to this peer review because I definitely lack the subject knowledge. It was however one of the most skillfully orchestrated PRs I have ever witnessed. In case Brian had not pointed it out, the GL for YouTube is here: WP:YT. The description of AltText is at WP:ALT. The lead section still has no inline citations. AFAIK a lead should be fully referenced because for some projects the lead might be used as a mini article; it is of course wholly possible to reuse any existing refs from the rest of the text. I wish you all the best in turning this into a FA - I'm sure it will happen.--Kudpung (talk) 09:25, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Gustav Mahler TFA request

I have proposed Mahler for Today's Faetured Article for 7 July. Any support for this would be very welcome. Brianboulton (talk) 22:47, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

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Citations in Lead

Leads do need citations sometimes: Here's the language on when leads need refs: "Leads are usually written at a greater level of generality than the body, and information in the lead section of non-controversial subjects is less likely to be challenged and less likely to require a source; there is not, however, an exception to citation requirements specific to leads. The necessity for citations in a lead should be determined on a case-by-case basis by editorial consensus. Complex, current, or controversial subjects may require many citations; others, few or none." See Wikipedia:LS#Citations. -- Ssilvers (talk) 05:42, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

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Gaston Serpette

Thank you for your message, and congratulations on your article. Actually, on wp:fr, all I did was a bit of tidying up. But your work has put the French stub to shame. I have added two interwiki links, but I shall let you check that Thomas and M. J. Barbier are indeed Ambroise Thomas and Jules Barbier (I guess that Viscount Delaborde is fr:Henri-François Delaborde (historien), Lacome is fr:Paul Lacôme d'Estalenx, Roger is Victor Roger (1854-1903), and Vasseur is Léon Vasseur (1844-1937), but the first two don't yet have an article in English and the last two have yet to appear on the wikistage). Not being a specialist myself in this area, I have also left a note at the wp:fr classical music project in the hope that your work will soon be put to good use. May I suggest uploading images on Commons, so that other wikis may also benefit from your findings? Thanks again, Mu (talk) 23:45, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Lo! The seed has sprouted and come forth out of the earth... :-) Mu (talk) 20:11, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

At the risk of incurring further blame I have informed Voxhominis, who translated the Gaston Serpette article, about the confrères. I beg to remain, Sir, &c. - Mu (talk) 20:56, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Edward Elgar as FA

Apologies first of all for not getting back to the peer review of Edward Elgar until after it had closed. As to your note on the talk page about nominating the article at FAC, I think the article is definitely FA quality and would benefit from being nominated. So far, I haven't found anything negative on which to comment (something I suspected would happen, since Brian tends to be pretty thorough in his comments and probably would have had the same comments I would have had, anyway). Altogether, everything looks excellent. Jonyungk (talk) 15:32, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Walter Bache

I've just listed this at PR and would greatly appreciate input on how to further expand and refine it. Thanks! Jonyungk (talk) 22:04, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks very much for going through this article so quickly. One point of information you asked is when Bache became part of the faculty at the Royal Academy of Music. I haven't been able to find this out. Was there anything in the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography about this? Since I live in the US, my library does not subscribe to this service.Jonyungk (talk) 21:45, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Considering what you said in PR about the quotes being from British sources, would you recommend UK or US spelling for the article? Jonyungk (talk) 15:45, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

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Kubla Khan

Just a quick 'thanks' for now, re. the peer review of Kubla Khan. I've only skimmed your comments, and see that you plan to add more, but it all looks like very constructive feedback, and I hope I can implement appropriate changes. Not sure when that will be, but...for now, anyway - thank you very much. Chzz  ►  16:32, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Please see reply User talk:Chzz#Kubla Khan.  Chzz  ►  01:20, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Tosca

It seems that your services are much in demand as a reviewer these days. Well, here's another request. Wehwalt and I have collaborated in expanding and developing this article, and we feel now that it would benefit from some fresh eyes. If you can find the time we'd much appreciate the benefit of your critical scalpel. Brianboulton (talk) 17:00, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

New Barnstar

		The Music Barnstar
		I think you deserve this, not only for your recent work on Elgar, but also for all your other knowledgeable and well written music contribs. Kudpung (talk) 16:04, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Hear hear! Your continued high-quality contributions have been "instrumental" (if not downright orchestral) in the classical music area! -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:10, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Hey kid: wanna be an Admin?

TR, you have been around Wikipedia for a long time, and you are a very reliable, responsible editor. Would you like to be nominated as an Admin? -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:12, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Very kind, but please - no! Not my sort of thing a bit. I am grateful for the efforts of the dignified judges and the industrious mechanics, but I am not of their number. I see this page is getting full. Can you tell me how to create the neat archives one sees on other users' talk pages? - Tim riley (talk) 19:20, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

I created an archive page for you. See above. Just cut and paste what you want to into the new page. Others more technicologically sophisticated than me can tell you how to archive stuff automatically, but if you want to select what to archive manually, you are all set up. -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:45, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

That's great! Thank you so much! - Tim riley (talk) 20:46, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Walter Bache at FAC

Thanks for the encouragement and comments on this article, which I have nominated to FAC. Jonyungk (talk) 00:45, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Tosca

Tosca is at FAC, too. The classical music fraternity is atking over! Brianboulton (talk) 14:45, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Discographies

Hi. I see that you posted a query at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Discographies but no-one replied. We're currently wrestling with similar matters at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Opera#Bot_changing_categorisation_of_opera_discographies (and the follow-up topic) if you fancy adding your three ha'pence. Best. --GuillaumeTell 17:30, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Geoffrey Toye

In honour of your pursuit of truth and accuracy at the Geoffrey Toye article, I offer you this image of Sherlock Holmes accessories to celebrate your exceptional sleuthing! -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:28, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Much touched - not least by the courteously English spelling. Thank you! - Tim riley (talk) 21:11, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Note that I added info re: Jennifer, etc. to both Toye articles. See if you think I included the right amount of family info, and modify if you think it ought to be stated differently. All the best, -- Ssilvers (talk) 14:47, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

IMSLP

Hi. I'm glad you are interested. The IMSLP template, I add to Wikipedia articles, links to the International Music Score Library Project that hosts a huge collection of freely available scanned sheet music. The site is also based on MediaWiki, so it's easy to watch new pages there and if the corresponding article exists here on Wikipedia, I check links in both directions. (By the way, that is my only connection with that site.) However, that is a problem the other way since I'm not aware of a reliable way to watch all new articles about classical composers here, so there are surely some composers with older article on IMSLP than the one here and hence with no or incomplete links. So when you create an article here and find out that there is the corresponding category here, I encourage you to place IMSLP template in the external links. (There is a bit more in this and if you are interested, I may describe the details.) Moreover, If you'd like, you may register at IMSLP and add links also there, but if you don't want to, you may just drop me a note and I'd do it for you. :) Best Wishes, --Tomaxer (talk) 00:10, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

I notice that, in a few cases, an IMSLP vocal score is added to an article that already had a perfectly good link to a vocal score. We need to review to make sure there is only one EL to a vocal score (unless both are important for historical reasons) and that it is to the best available score. All the best, -- Ssilvers (talk) 14:45, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Box and Cox

The DYK project (nominate) 18:04, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Note that they used a hook that did not mention Sullivan. Oh well. -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:14, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Good grief! Where did this suddenly spring from? I assume we have Ssilvers to thank for thinking of nominating this article for DYK. Many thanks! I don't think the ghost of Sir Arthur will repine at his omission. Did you spot that I included Sullivan and Gilbert as well as Carte in the Messager article? - Tim riley (talk) 19:19, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Ha! You could hardly avoid mentioning Carte. The Sullivan and Gilbert references, however, are much appreciated by those knights. -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:48, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

To the rescue!

With joyous shout and ringing cheer!

Inaugurate your new career! I look forward to your future Wiki projects and recognize the many times you have ridden to my rescue with this image of these mounted heroes. -- Ssilvers (talk) 15:02, 1 September 2010 (UTC)