User:Smallbones/list articles
Discussion/Questions
[edit]Q1: For a given article here, how do you find your way to the WLM photo that is nominated. E.g., for the Arena Cove H D article, there are about 50 WLM photos. How find the one or two nominated?
- They are in order by letter on the page Commons:Commons:Wiki Loves Monuments 2012 in the United States/List . I'll put some photo names in.
- Thanks for that link and suggestion; that worked for me to find the Arena Cove one. --doncram
Q2: Is it a Good Thing to create stub articles for all of these? In whose opinion, or with what qualifications (that a NRHP nomination document must exist online, or what?). I have personally been trashed tons for starting stubs for better reasons than to hold a picture, if the article is not immediately reaching arbitrary standards posed by, well, editors who hate to see short stubs. --doncram
- I wouldn't write a stub so short that editors will jump all over you - why tempt fate? Why risk wasting your own and others' time on spats when there are enough topics to write a "good stub" about.
- That said, I'd probably concentrate on the photos that you think have a chance of winning one of the top 10-12 spots. I'd love it, if when the results were announced, that we have an article for each winning photo. At that time we can probably quickly update each article to at least Start quality, if the basic references were already there. Smallbones(smalltalk) 22:04, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
- Well, one can hope to avoid spats if there is a consensus among a large enough group of mutually supporting editors that the articles should be created, with whatever sources may be available, and that could apply for this set. If the editors would support each other and help stop evil, ANI-bashing if it starts up, as they should. Not saying you have not been supportive in combatting some evil.
- But okay, i thought you were calling for articles for all of these, while i guess you are not. I started by doing ones in states (CA, UT) where NRHP nom docs should be available from the NPS. VA and SC ones should have some state-provided NRHP material, but the others appearing here now are likely not to have readily available info about the NRHP listing. It's certainly more efficient to start articles and then see what sources come to light, than it is to look for sources and only then decide. Many editors separately will be evaluating the same article topic, and maybe each not choosing to open an article, while if the article was just started the multiple separate editors could likely put together more sources. I'll leave it to others to evaluate whether they want to start these ones, I guess.
- For the record, the one here started so far with nothing but NRIS reference is Youngerman Block, not mine. :)
- If your goal is to have articles for the top 12 or so candidates, it would be a lot more efficient if you would share your guesses for those. --doncram
- I started from the back - having never, to my knowledge, written an NRHP article about a property in Iowa, I now know why: there's nothing in the way of sourcing. While I would not under normal circumstances write such a short stub, I felt that these circumstances dictated a more relaxed approach, but I now share Smallbones' concern that the image may not actually be of the subject building. I'll do some more hunting: I can always delete the article. Acroterion (talk) 03:16, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
- IMO it would be bizarre and a waste to go backwards. The existence of the article helps focus others' attention. It documents that you tried. Others with resources can take it forward. Anyhow, it has been somewhat improved. I followed its cryptic William Foster mention (in the architect or builder field, not displaying) and developed William Foster (Iowa architect) article, now linked. With meaningful connection to that architect article, and thence to other Iowa buildings, I think the article has real value for current readers, besides marking where editors are at so far. And Smallbones added a pic external link that should be usable for verifying the building is correct or not. I say never go backward, if only we go forward then everything will start to tie together. --doncram 04:39, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
- I've received the NRHP nom from the Iowa SHPO and it supports the photograph, so we can cross that one off the list. I'll expand the article from the documentation (which is extensive). Acroterion (talk) 17:14, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
- Iowa note I've asked the Iowa SHPO's office for nominations for the five Iowa locations whose pictures appear below. Acroterion (talk) 02:19, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
- IMO it would be bizarre and a waste to go backwards. The existence of the article helps focus others' attention. It documents that you tried. Others with resources can take it forward. Anyhow, it has been somewhat improved. I followed its cryptic William Foster mention (in the architect or builder field, not displaying) and developed William Foster (Iowa architect) article, now linked. With meaningful connection to that architect article, and thence to other Iowa buildings, I think the article has real value for current readers, besides marking where editors are at so far. And Smallbones added a pic external link that should be usable for verifying the building is correct or not. I say never go backward, if only we go forward then everything will start to tie together. --doncram 04:39, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
- I started from the back - having never, to my knowledge, written an NRHP article about a property in Iowa, I now know why: there's nothing in the way of sourcing. While I would not under normal circumstances write such a short stub, I felt that these circumstances dictated a more relaxed approach, but I now share Smallbones' concern that the image may not actually be of the subject building. I'll do some more hunting: I can always delete the article. Acroterion (talk) 03:16, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
Q3: Where there exists a specific Commons category corresponding to one article, like the commons category "commons:Category: Nevada City Downtown Historic District (California)" corresponding to wikipedia article Nevada City Downtown Historic District, one wants to link the commons category from the NRHP article. How? (Could someone explain and/or add the proper link for the Nevada City example.) (This could go into wp:NRHPhelp advice.)
Q4: Where does not yet exist a separate Commons category, but the county-specific category includes a lot of pics specific to a given HD, it seems it would be good for the Commons category to be split. Specifically so that the NRHP article could get a specific commons category link to those photos. Any comments/instructions on how to do that in Commons? (This could go into wp:NRHPhelp advice. A selected few pics could be put directly into the wikipedia article using <gallery></gallery>, but all should be referenced by the commons category link.)
- Is there any better way to do this (e.g. by some batch edit in Commons, or by request to some bot, or by a Commons AWB-type editor tool, to change the categories?) rather than tedious individual edits, e.g., in each of 20 or 30 commons articles to replace [[:Category:National Register of Historic Places in Mendocino County, California]] by more specific [[:Category:Main Street Historic Commercial District (Point Arena, California)]], over at commons? I did some of the Point Arena HD ones but am burned out....--doncram
Comment: WLM winners have been announced: 3 pics having articles, not among these. 54 articles started as part of this drive, listed below. My count of articles NOT created, further below, currently redlinks, is 37. Articles started by Acroterion, Ymblanter, KudzuVine, Smallbones, me. I enjoyed this; thanks all; thanks Smallbones for organizing. --doncram 07:42, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
Articles started as part of this drive
[edit]- Arena Cove Historic District, California, not much related to Point Arena, California, several miles away. Historic district article started with nom doc. Article needs work with category, gallery to be reduced, commonscat
- Los Rios Street Historic District, California, NRHP nom doc
- Downtown Oakland Historic District likely Old Oakland File:Downtown Oakland Historic District-5.jpg
- Abbie Greenleaf Library, New Hampshire, NRHP nom doc
- Juan Antonio Garcia House, New Mexico
- Antiguo Casino de Puerto Rico, Puerto Rico, NRHP nom doc
- James P. and Lydia Strang House, Utah, NRHP nom doc
- Colleton County Courthouse, South Carolina File:Colleton County Courthouse.jpg
- Fifteenth Street Financial Historic District, Washington, D.C. File:Fifteenth Street Financial Historic District-4.jpg
- Forts Baker, Barry, and Cronkhite File:Fort-Baker-Sausalito-Florin-WLM-33.jpg Article was temporarily redirected to Fort Baker, but as noted we still need an article on the NHRP combo, and that is now started, too.
- Youngerman Block, Des Moines, Iowa File:Youngerman Block window details.JPG The barest of bare stubs, virtually no sources available on line. (Now expanded with NRHP nomination in hand)
- Norlin Quadrangle Historic District, University of Colorado, Boulder File:Woodbury Arts and Sciences building.jpg Somehwat more available from various Colorado sources
- William Thomas Turner Barn, Kansas File:William Turner Barn.jpg, NRHP nom doc
- Dranesville Tavern Fairfax Co, Virginia File:Dranesville_Tavern.jpg
- Lorenzo Hubbell Trading Post and Warehouse, Arizona
- William Dixon Fowler House, South Carolina File:William Dixon Fowler House Pauline SC.jpg
- Floris Historic District, Fairfax County, VA File:KidwellFarm 2.jpg
- Holy Trinity Church (Trinidad, California) File:Holy Trinity Catholic Church 1.jpg
- Nevada City Downtown Historic District sorta covered via Nevada City, California (better to start the district article, now started. Article now includes two WLM-nominated pics and 2 others.)
- Main Street Historic Commercial District (Point Arena, California) Mendocino County CA File:Main Street Historic Commercial District-16.jpg, note that there are
manymaybe two Main Street Historic Commercial Districts --doncram - Isleton Chinese and Japanese Commercial Districts Sacramento, CA File:Isleton Chinese and Japanese Commercial Districts - Stierch - 12.jpg
- Old Thomas James Store, Matthews County, VA File:James Store Interior.jpg
- Judge Lee House, Watsonville, CA File:Judge Lee house.jpg
- Eddleman-McFarland House, Texas
- Lexington Historic District (Lexington, Virginia) File:1 W Washington St, Lexington, VA.jpg
- Anderson's Mill, South Carolina
- Anderson House (Rock Hill, South Carolina), South Carolina File:Anderson_House.jpg
- Arcadia Mill No. 2, South Carolina
- Arthur Barnwell House, South Carolina
- Nathan Cooper Gristmill Morris Co., NJ File:Cooper Grist Mill Water Wheel.jpg
- Baker Building, New Jersey
- Bayfield Fish Hatchery, Wisconsin
- Bennington No. 4, Iowa
- Reidville Academy Faculty House SC File:Reidville Academy Faculty House.jpg
- Presidio Chapel of San Elizario File:San Elizario Mission.jpg
- Spartanburg Historic District File:Spartanburg Historic District.jpg
- Spring Valley School (Larkspur, Colorado) File:Spring Valley School (Larkspur, Colorado).JPG
- Springer Building File:Springer Building.jpg
- Springfield Plantation House (Fort Mill, South Carolina) File:Springfield Plantation House.jpg
- Stockbridge House File:Stockbridge House Colorado Springs CO 1980.JPG
- McPolin Farmstead, Summit County, Utah File:McPolin Farmstead Park City Utah.jpeg
- Indian Creek Bridge, Cedar Rapids, Iowa File:Indian-Creek-Bridge-2.jpg
- Davenport House (Greer, South Carolina)
- Eau Claire Town Hall and Survey Publishing Company Building South Carolina File:Eau Claire Town Hall and Survey Publishing.jpg
- Evans-Russell House, Spartanburg, South Carolina File:Evans Russell House.jpg
- Fountain Fox Beattie House Greenville, South Carolina File:Fountain Fox Beattie House.jpg
- Hagood Mill SC File:Hagood Mill 10 (6).jpg
- Cascade County Courthouse , Montana File:Cascade County Courthouse.jpg
- Emma J. Harvat and Mary E. Stach House Iowa File:Emma J. Harvat and Mary E. Stach House.jpg
- Chapel Emmanuel Railroad Car, South Dakota File:Emmanual RR Prairie Village SD.jpg
- Longmont Fire Department Boulder County, CO, File:Longmont Fire Department.jpg
- Luther College Farm File:Luther College Farm Decorah IA 060.jpg
- Russian Hill-Macondray Lane District San Fran File:Macondray Lane entrance between 1918 & 1950 Jones St., Russian Hill-Macondray Lane Historic District, San Francisco, CA 9-3-2012 2-44-12 PM.JPG
- MBA (Modern Brotherhood of America) Building Mason City, Iowa File:Modern Brotherhood of America Building Mason City, IA.jpg
Photos with file titles starting with B-C
[edit]- Barela-Bledsoe House, New Mexico
- Hamilton-Lay Store, Tennessee (NRHP-listed in 2011 so infobox not as readily available) File:Back of the old Hamilton-Lay store.jpg
- Camden Great Fire Historic District maybe Camden, Maine
- Capt. Amos Birdsall House, New Jersey
- Carroll and Bessie E. (Caul) Jones House File:Carroll and Bessie E. Jones House.jpg
- Cartledge House File:Cartledge_House.jpg
- Coca-Cola Syrup Plant, St. Louis, MO File:Coca-Cola_Bottling_Plant_NRHP_on_Michigan_Ave_in_St._Louis_MO_02.jpg
Photos with file titles starting with D-E
[edit]- E.J. Caire & Co. Stores St. John the Baptist Parrish, LA File:E J Caire Store1.JPG
- Edgar Paxson House File:Edgar Paxson House (2012) - Missoula County, Montana.png
Photos with file titles starting with G-H
[edit]- Garnet Historic District Montana File:Garnet8.JPG
- Gates Memorial Library Jefferson Co, Texas File:Gates Memorial Library by Michael Reed fastturtles.org 01.jpg
- Gilreath's Mill, South Carolina File:Gilreath's Mill 10 (11).jpg
- Grant County Courthouse (Minnesota) File:Grant County Courthouse 2012.jpg
- Green River Crib Dam File:Green_River_crib_dam,_(with_fish_ladder)_Guilford,_Vt..jpg
- Heins Block MN File:Heins Block.jpg
I - K
[edit]- Walter Douglas House, Bisbee, Arizona, Cochise County File:IMAG1298 1.jpg
- John Archibald Campbell United States Courthouse, Mobile, Alabama File:John A Campbell US Courthouse Sept 2012 01.jpg
- John W. Hubbard (sternwheeler), Covington, Kenton County, KY File:John W. Hubbard river boat.jpg
- John C. Sikes House, Union County, NC File:John C. Sikes House on Franklin Street.JPG
- Kendall Mill Historic District, Kershaw County SC, File:Kendall Mill Historic District.jpg
- Downtown Kirkwood Historic District, St. Louis Mo, NOT Atlanta GA File:Kirkwood Historic District.JPG
- Calvin A. and Alta Koch Campbell House, 1210 W. Park Dr. Midland, MI File:Koch Cambell House.jpg
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[edit]- Lake Ivanhoe Historic Residential District Orange County, FLA File:Lake Ivanhoe District 1920s.jpg
- Lando School SC File:Lando Schoolhouse interior.jpg
- Laurel Mill and Col. Jordan Jones House, Gupton, Franklin County, North Carolina File:Laurel Mill.jpg
- Lebanon Chapel AME Church, Baldwin County, Alabama, File:Lebanon Chapel AME Church Sept 2012 02.jpg
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[edit]- Madison County Courthouse (Missouri) File:Madison County Missouri Courthouse at Fredericktown, MO USA.jpg
- Manresa House of Retreats/Jefferson College LA (only one s in Manresa) File:ManressaWM.JPG
- Marion Street Area Historic District, Rock Hill, York County, South Carolina (many similar names) File:Marion Street Area Historic District.jpg
- Michigan State Medical Society Building East Lansing File:Michigan State Medical Society.jpg
- Monroe County Courthouse (Georgia), Forsyth, File:Monroe County Courthouse; Forsyth, Georgia; January 30, 2011.jpg
- Montana State Arsenal, Armory and Drill Hall, File:Montana State Arsenal, Armory and Drill Hall (2012) - Lewis and Clark County, Montana.png
- Murray's Mill Historic District NC File:Murray's Mill.jpg
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[edit]- Chester and Lorine Nagel House Travis County, Texas File:NagelHouse-1616.jpg
- Oberlin Gas Lighting Company Gasholder House, Oberlin, Lorrain County, Ohio File:Oberlin Gasholder House Oberlin OH.JPG
- others
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[edit]- Spensley Farm File:Spensley Farm, Mineral Point.jpg
- State Theater (Clovis, New Mexico) File:State Theater, Clovis, NM.JPG
- Others (but not that many!)