User:Paul Bedson/Archive 2

Iucn Canada for Layoun and port

Hello Paul and a big thanks for the updates concerning the port and the minister. YOu can also get back to me through linkedin so that we can communicate directly. Cheers

DYK for Tell Ezou

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The DYK project (nominate) 00:02, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Lebanon and Eden

I'm not sure I've done it well enough, but I'm trying to clarify both that these authors are not suggesting that a real Eden was in Lebanaon, and the subtlety of what they are saying. In one case it even appears that the author is discussing Lebanon as being not necessarily a physical place. I'm happy to discuss my edits on the article talk page. Dougweller (talk) 18:41, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

As long as Lebanon's finally on the suggested location list, I'm a happy man Doug. Your edits look okay to me. I'm just glad you didn't judge Ezekiel, the "son of man" as an unreliable, fringe source... i know how much you want to ;-) 20:25, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
To go into more detail, you'll see that the Brown and Swarup go into details about how paradise, eden and lebanese forests are entwined in prophetic writings. Jeremiah also comes close to describing the same thing with a vision of trees, whilst about nine other prophets also discuss paradiso and eden in transitional terms which show the development and use of the word in this period. I've been having some interesting discussions with friends about the vulgate/douay rheims versions of that chapter. Some good modern sources that I hope we'll agree is a beneficial addition to the page. Paul Bedson ❉talk❉ 20:42, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

"The holy Tigris, the holy Euphrates / the holy sceptre of Enlil / establish Kharsag.

In your recent edits on the Barton Cylinder you've sourced this quote to Black, can't find it there. Dougweller (talk) 04:56, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

I put this in the Barton discussion and will make it clearer that the translation is Barton's. Hope you noticed I didn't call it Kharsag but Hursag for you there too. Paul Bedson ❉talk❉ 08:03, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I've redirected Kharsag anyway after our discussion last night. By the way, I think you would be wise to stick to the archaeology rather than O'Brien's translations if I understood you correctly. I'm curious also - are you looking for a real Garden of Eden where there was a real Adam & Eve? Dougweller (talk) 08:10, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

No problem, I may make an appropriate stubby page later. Lately I've got quite into antinomianism though - does it really matter if we call it kharsag, hursag or the Babylonian Eden? The concept has adequate discussion outside fringe sources to show the world what it means. The Barton Cylinder and Debate between sheep and grain both show story parallels to Eden in Sumerian literature dated almost 2000 years before the Bible was written. Adam and Eve show links to Enlil and Ninkharsag and Cain and Abel taken from Lahar and Anshar. There's even adequate discussion about a primordial location where the events of the tales take place and several commentators noting that the stories were handed down from a much earlier date.

What I am looking for is what I have found already, an unexcavated PPNB megasite with remains of large neolithic structures (some converted to Roman temples) in and around Aaiha and Kfar Qouq near Mount Hermon. There is a central tell mound overlooking the Aaiha rock cut watercourse where I retrieved limestone plaster from what I suggest was a large house site on the top, tentitavely identified with Enlil's (or Adam's if you like) 'house of life' (or meeting place of heaven and earth). I am looking for archaeologists to radiocarbon date the remains, and hopefully arrive at settlement dates from c. 8200 to c. 6000 BC which could greatly revise views about the neolithic revolution.

The people who inhabited the site, I would suggest were the first to establish an irrigated settlement where they domesticated animals and grains and initially diffused this knowledge outward to the surrounding areas of the Jordan Valley, Syria and Turkey. The closest remains of an Adam and Eve that we'll find are probably represented by the painted skulls dug up at Tell Aswad by Danielle Stordeur. Who knows what is under the soil still however.

I agree that I should stick to the archaeology, and many trained in this field, like yourself will run a mile before looking seriously at any evidence tainted with religious suggestions about Eden. This seems a modern anomaly, and somewhat of a shame considering all the valuable discoveries of the last 2 centuries based on documentary evidence from the Bible, Armana tablets, etc.

I still consider these early creation myths as something that still needs a vast amount of work to improve our understanding and am quite cheered by the work on Sheep and grain, especially Black removing the deification of Lahar and Anshar. It shows that whilst O'Brien may have shot off on his own tangent, discovering what he discovered, modern scholars are catching up and improving on his suggestions in different ways and coming to similar, down to earth, agrarian interpretations without the gods, demons and evil spirits of the early translators.

Hopefully in depth coverage (as a pose to impossible to find translations in obscure Japanese journals like Acta Sumeriologica) on Wikipedia will encourage scholars to expand studies in this regard, so I still see it as valuable contribution along with the archaeology. Hope you agree. Paul Bedson ❉talk❉ 14:31, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Incidentally, if you can find another copy of the Bendt and Westenholz translation, I would be really grateful. Your old link to the PDF seems to have dissappeared with the creation of ORACC. Paul Bedson ❉talk❉ 14:44, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Ok. We know, or at least many scholars say, that the biblical myths in Genesis have earlier Sumerian sources, so finding new ones is not a terrible surprise. Dougweller (talk) 15:37, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Not a terrible surprise, but a rebalancing. The Sumerian creation myth, Epic of Gilgamesh and Atrahasis all cover similarities to the flood very well, and promote Velikovsky theories nicely in their own way. The Debate between sheep and grain, Barton Cylinder and any others I can make pages about from the Nippur library are the ones that specifically deal with Eden and earlier Genesis stories, which (in my view) are more important than the flood. Science is way behind conclusive evidence on catastrophism, but as Sarah Parcak is showing on BBC 1 on Monday night at 8.30pm,[1] archaeology is not far off infra-red satellite photography detection of the remains of a massive neolithic ruins and underground streams in a basin just north of Mount Hermon. Paul Bedson ❉talk❉ 22:55, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Tell Halula

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Materialscientist (talk) 16:04, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

The Sumerian "debate literature"-"Short-Story"

This is a "Hello" ! ! message from the author of the Debate between bird and fish.
(i feel like a proud papa)-First, the top of my skull blew off when i found the "Debate between (mighty) copper and silver" in Kramer's book. (I retired from two decades of a Job-because of it). but, it surprised me that I had never heard of these short story debates, and that though I had turned pages, and read parts of Kramer's book probably 15-20 times, I had never hit upon the literature discussion of the debate with silver/copper.
Anyhow, my feelings are: Congrats, on carrying forward..... And my thoughts, philosophical, and moral are these: "Human expression" is where it is at.. all of the Customs, and Societal Norms are based on the "Position in Society" of the individual, group, family, etc.... My thoughts on the 'debates' are that: ... As in Ancient Egypt, the "Weighing of the Soul", balancing the Heart (hieroglyph), on one scale against the vertical "Feather of Truth", (Maat's Shu-Feather-(of Truth)). ---leads me to where I have been at philosophically, and personally, for some 2 decades or so.------
4000 years of religios 'crap', discussion, 'social-contract-norms', "god(s) created", 'dancings', chants, invocations, or 'public/private prayer-(s)', -- -- -- -- none of that 4000-years worth can out-balance 1 of these 7 Sumerian Disputations-(a created discussion of "human-relations-to-the-world"-(similar to Akhenaten's Great Hymn to the Aten). The fact that some guys (or girls) created these short storyies is a testament to our humanity.-(I don't "play" religion; wikipedia has Irreligion and Nonreligious, added to Atheism and Agnosticism-(i do Not define capital G, God, and the small 'gods' are all human creations (some in their likeness)...I don't play the religion/"god" game)
(I actually think Mark Zuckerburg, --Facebook, --creating, --dreams, --passions, -- -- -- that all of that is a testament to our humanity. Wikipedia, your follow-on articles, "Paul Bedson",... all a testament. (Of note, the Time Magazine article on Zuckerburg, explains how he at age 13 created a Network in his house for his Mom, Dad, Sister, etc. ....Wow, another, top of the skull blown off by what I read!))..
So, thanx, ...Welcome to Wikipedia, ... I hope to give a Star, or Cookie, (I have never given one)... you already, deserve 1 or 2, in my book.) Cheers... --(from the the HotSonoran Desert, Arizona,USA--Mmcannis (talk) 12:14, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

My thanks indeed for giving me the idea and template. Such kind and inspired praise gives me a lot of encouragement. I've been thinking to move van Dijk's discussion into the dispute sections of each one. I'll look into doing some other improvements and the Debate between copper and silver, but kinda had my eyes on the Debate between hoe and plough next in that series.

I have to take a break and do Enlil and Ninlil which is from the Miscellaneous Babylonian Inscriptions Nippur collection next. It's in a different series grouping as much as it's setting is noted as the same "Nippur before creation" as in the Debate between sheep and grain and Debate between Summer and Winter. I also have to go do something about Assad Seif, the head of archaeology at the Directorate General of Antiquities, who a friend in the Ministry of Culture (Lebanon) has just offered to be put in contact with. I somehow have to convince him that the setting for all these myths is the Anti-Lebanon, precisely a foothill (hursag), 8km north of Mount Hermon (kurgal) with a tell mound on top that could very well be the remains of Enlil's house-of-life (e-namtilla or e-kur) surrounded by a giant PPNB megasite with canal, a reservoir for winter water, etc. If that can get noted, a lot more people will quickly reach a similar mindset and outlook as you regarding "religion". Hopefully then we can answer questions like that posed in the section above about where the settlers of Tell Halula came from with their fully domesticated the forms of barley, wheat and flax at 7750 BC. Paul Bedson ❉talk❉ 13:17, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Debate between sheep and grain

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The DYK project (nominate) 08:05, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you, Paul Bedson, for your kind comments about my efforts writing and creating the new article The Kid (musical). Much appreciated. ;) There is a free-use image used in the article already, if you want to use that along with the hook, that is fine by me. I just thought there were probably more interesting free-use images to choose from with other articles' hooks, nature, wildlife, scenery, etc. -- Cirt (talk) 14:28, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

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ROFL!!! The website you mention is entitled Matt and Cindy's Website, which I certainly didn't source when writing about the Sumerian scribe of the original Decad. Cute though, they look like a happy Enlil and Ninlil, but all relevance lost after that and certainly not a copyright issue. Gotta love bots though, they can cheer you up and make you laugh sometimes. Paul Bedson ❉talk❉ 12:25, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
- Hahaha! This also made me laugh when I was working at WP:SCV. Theleftorium ^(talk) 14:22, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Debate between Winter and Summer DYK

Sorry to see how this one got stalled. I've started a more formal review of it, and everything looks good to me save one quotation which I'm having trouble finding in the source. See details at T:DYK. Excellent article! Khazar (talk) 14:06, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for that. I've corrected a page number issue on that reference that should have it sorted. Regards, Paul Bedson ❉talk❉ 14:31, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Hymn to Enlil and Decad (Sumerian texts)

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DYK for Enlil and Ninlil

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Materialscientist (talk) 00:02, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Debate between Winter and Summer

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DYK nomination of Lament for Ur, Ekur

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Please see new note on DYK talk page. Yoninah (talk) 22:41, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Song of the hoe

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FYI, awaiting your reply at the DYK entry regarding the hook. --El on ka 14:48, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Kesh temple hymn

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Materialscientist (talk) 00:02, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Hymn to Enlil

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Materialscientist (talk) 18:03, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Decad (Sumerian texts)

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DYK for Hubur

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DYK for Lament for Ur

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DYK for Ekur

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DYK nomination of Garden of the gods (Sumerian paradise)

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DYK for Song of the hoe

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The DYK project (nominate) 00:04, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Garden of the gods (Sumerian paradise)

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Calmer Waters 18:02, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Reply, (to editting)

I will try to be succinct, (not necessarily short):

--I love editting. I only fix a typo, or an edit if I want an article on my watch list. 98 percent are still on my watch list.
--at work once a compatriot had a hard copy, about 7 paragraphs of a hugely technical computer/ sound-(acoustic)/ software-trailer-mounted system for "scoring" a sound-produced event. (think weapons). The first paragraph was one sentence about 10 technical ideas strung together, about 5 sentences worth. I made 2 minor edits for the following 6 paragraphs, but I looked at my buddy, and said-(for para 1)... I get this with these edits to the mid paragraph point.... but from there i am lost. He said, yeah, i know.... I never looked at the final copy, but the Trailer appeared some years later.
--Edits to me, are like the BIG S, in Greek the Sigma-(i.e. Smmation: minor ones added to Major ones): I start at the first sentence, or words, and just continue...(or at midpoint, then go back to Start Point) and continue to the end. For the Song of the hoe, I didn't press SAVE, until between iteration 10 to 20, maybe about the 15th point, I added the last comma, or whatever.
--A quick look at the Gudea cylinders appears to confirm that: Graham Hancock... (his books, follow-on ideas) about the 'star alignments, with buildings is proof from the cylinders that the Great Pyramids,.. are (obviously, (by Deductive Observation, (reasoning), etc)), the three stars of Orion's Belt. (I will never read his books, though I turned pages in them. As with wikipedia, I seldom read EVERY article I edit.) (time)... (I assume Hancock wasn't the FIRST-person)
--I consider ALL of WIKIPEDIA, personal RESEARCH. all of the REF's are irrelevant (to me). Planet Earth-H. Sapies-humanitarium, is still coming out of the Dark Ages (of Religion, and fool-hardy interpretaions of our smarts)
--Paul, please explain the title on my talk page: (if you care to): == Fit like min (what like man) ==. I'm smart, (but not clairvoyant-smart)(I have only one guess what it means)
--I used to order the book at the Bookstore (B. & Noble), and have a shelf (1/4th filled with books on Egypt-(at the store), ...that I had at home). (the favorite was the (book), with the (now famous, color) Dashur-necklace encircling the 5 Hieroglyph-based small, miniature "pendants" where 1 of 5 was upside down. To view, the book had to be rotated 180 deg.).. (it's the Hotep "tablet", with hieroglyphs sitting on it instead).. (these are all beautifil, colorful, stone-inlaid pendants)
Charles R. Pellegrino's book from some years ago, Return to Sodom and Gomorah-(I read most of it once-(or twice): uses the term riverworlds referring to the Nile Egypt, and the Tigris-Euphrates-World... It explains why the cultures began at the same starting points.. (water), it also explains why they are so dramatically different in their typology, cosmology, etc. (Not Pellegrino's explanation: but using the term, easily defines the history from about 5500 BC to the Greek-Roman World time)

These are just 'notes to self', and as I started editting some of your articles, I knew you'd be examining my edits.... For what it is worth, on Wikipedia Commons I created, first: Category:Hieroglyphs on meda, then Category:Cuneiform on media. The Gudea cylinders photos have been there at least 2-3 years-(Category:Hieroglyphs on clay cylinders-(or whatever the cat name is).... And I had to go to commons to make the Cat: Category:Hieroglyphs of Egypt (check the Category:Meteor hieroglyph, and look at the stele in the Louvre).. that categorizing of Photos was needed before I worked on the Category:Egyptian hieroglyphs-Gardiner listed. Till later... (floating along in my own 'Edin')
And...thanks for giving me "grist for the mill", and how many more topics are on the clay tablets (it is pretty much endless, part of my quote: "you can't teach, what you don't know")... [from the HOT-108-to-114-Deg-3 weeks-more) SonoranDesert-ArizonaUSA-... Mmcannis (talk) 06:54, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Gudea cylinders

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Calmer Waters 00:02, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Iraq ed-Dubb

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PS, Paul, I know about your "crusade" but sometimes you should try to remain a little bit more objective and precise in their interpretation, if I may say so (and please don't take offense, I think that in general you are doing a good job). Also, I get the impression that you paraphrase sources quite closely; you might want to work on that a little bit since sometimes it might border on plagiarism.--Zoeperkoe (talk) 20:02, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the good advice. Will try to be a bit more wordsmithy for you. Thinking objectively, this has given me several ideas to get better evidence for the levantine corridor primacy argument. I like the idea of a "crusade", thanks for giving me some guidance on better areas for the offensive. lol. Paul Bedson ❉talk❉ 20:28, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

You have new mail in your DYK submission. As far as "this has given me several ideas to get better evidence for the levantine corridor primacy argument", that's exactly the whole point. It's not up to you to find better evidence for one argument at the expense of another (at least not here on WP); it's up to you to say what others say about it, and to do that in such a way as to comply with wp:due. Please don't get carried away too much by your own enthusiasm! --Zoeperkoe (talk) 20:57, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

I am not trying to find better evidence, just updated, modern evidence. Much of which is not well documented on WP. I will try to remain balanced and reflect consensus though. You do well to remind me.Paul Bedson ❉talk❉ 21:30, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Good comments. I'll also add that I think at times you are relying on Google snippets, which is rarely a good thing as you haven't seen the context, and that you need to keep closer to what the sources actually say. And Wikipedia is not a venue for presenting new information to the world - something I think you know you are trying to do. Dougweller (talk) 06:29, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

MfD nomination of User:Paul Bedson/Sandbox

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But you can't delete my sandbox... It's my mind... It's what I am thinking... I'm not speaking it live on Wikipedia. You can't take my thoughts from me! *Runs to the window and shakes fist* Paul Bedson ❉talk❉ 17:44, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Your sandbox and some general advice

Hi Paul, you asked about my opinion on your sandbox. I only skimmed through it, but from what I saw I get the impression that you are pretty far out there if you want to connect Sumerian myths from the 3rd millennium BC with Lebanese sites from the 10th millennium BC and there is definitely no scientist who will support this. And that is not because there is some cover-up going on or because they are "bumbling" or "frightened" (which I actually consider quite an offense toward Near Eastern archaeologists; you have apparently no idea to what lengths they sometimes go to try and do their work in war-torn countries like Iraq and Lebanon in the past), but simply because it is not supported by the facts. To give another example, if you want to know the source of the Jordan River, don't go with some 19th century travel writer that happens to fit your ideas, but look up a modern hydrology report. Furthermore, if your aim is to save this "Aaiha site" from destruction, writing articles on WP isn't the way to go because it won't help a bit. Connecting it with Sumerian myths isn't either. I'm sorry, but Near Eastern rescue archaeology simply doesn't work that way. The WP article on Ur or Babylon hasn't saved them from getting destroyed after the Iraq war, and yours isn't going to save sites in Lebanon. That shouldn;t stop you from contributing to WP though, but you just have to be realistic about it.

In the meantime, I suggest you move ZAD 2 to Zahrat adh-Dhraʻ 2, because that's how the site is named. In your enthusiasm to generate as much information as possible, you make simple mistakes like these that can be avoided. Again, don't take offense, but I suggest that you take some more time to do more research before you start writing articles (or ask someone for advice before you start; you are not the only one who works on Near Eastern archaeology). Your output is so incredibly high that people like me or Doug simply can't keep up checking it. For example, you are involved in a merge discussion on Wall of Jericho, and I would actually like to suggest a merge for the Tower of Jericho as well (especially since both articles contain some factual errors and the astronomy thing simply doesn't make sense; there is not even an explanation as to why that shadow should be important in the first place and why it can't be simple coincidence which is very likely in a mountainous area like that), and you are already working on new ones. Instead, you might want to look at some of the articles you already wrote, and maybe re-edit them and check them for factual mistakes that might have arisen from you going through sources too quickly, or using Google Books snippets that do not provide the whole context of a quote? Again, I think it is great that you are so excited about Near Eastern prehistory, and in general your work is good, but it's these little things that could be better. Given the quantity you've already produced, shouldn't it be time that you start to work on quality and factuality a little bit more?

Again, please don't take offense at my comments. You are of course free to do what you want (and again, I think it's really great that you want to invest so much time in improving coverage of the ancient Near East on WP), but since you asked for my opinion; this is it. Happy editing! --Zoeperkoe (talk) 05:11, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your opinion. I am quite impressed that you bothered and will go and remove the bumbling comment right away. It has raised the issue of transmission of history using language, which we have different perspectives about and I clearly don't consider so "far out there". The site at Aaiha could have existed until around 6000 to 5500 BC before a hiatus in time when the Sumerians arrived at Eridu. I can see how it is viewed as radical as there is no evidence that we would have passed down our history via language and will look for sources that have explored this suggestion. I will take your comments under consideration on the mythology matter. Regarding the astronomy, they positioned it that way in my opinion for ceremonial purposes. You have to imagine their ceremonies to understand the purpose. I guess that's not very scientific though. Check out the video in the Jerusalem Post article, [2] it explains all with computer graphics and media hype. I don't think you can merge the tower as it qualifies as the world's tallest structure between 8000 to 2650 BC. The wall is still under discussion but I should hope my latest expansion should qualify it for it's own page. I'll concede you're right about Zahrat adh-Dhraʻ 2 and will go move that. Paul Bedson ❉talk❉ 05:47, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

P.S. A modern hydrology report would show fissures through the karst limestone topography from the Hasbani leaking the mountain water into the Litani and off into the Mediterranean sea, just as it leaks from Aaiha into the Hasbani. No-one's in a rush to fix that of course as Lebanon might as well take the water away from the Israelis before it gets to the Jordan as they will only use their west bank aquifier [3] to take it away from the Palestinians if it got there. This greedy world somehow stole my pictures and video of the site and left me with nothing more than a rock and my words and information on here to alert the academic community with. I understand your skepticism about the effectiveness of my efforts but thank you again for all the assistance tidying up after me and helping me try.Paul Bedson ❉talk❉ 06:07, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

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Thanks for this. I saw it had changed, but didn't read up on how and was in a rush to meet the deadline on it so just did it the old way. I'll be sure to nominate according to procedure in future. Thanks for fixing that and filling me in on the info. Paul Bedson ❉talk❉ 02:47, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

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Please don't delete Ourrouar, it was a tool factory site for Aaiha, the capital of the Qaraoun culture during the early holocene and hence very important educational material for the millions of jewish, christian and muslim kids out there who currently believe that God built the Garden of Eden. Paul Bedson ❉talk❉ 00:19, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

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This is me figuring out a way to teach everyone about where the Garden of Eden is via the Aaiha Hypothesis whilst evading the constraints of not being able to log in on a PC for fifty hours every week due to having to fix everyone's problems everywhere. :D Paul Bedson ❉talk❉ 00:24, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

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Hey Paul , your additions to Jeita are amazing! It's great having expert input to this article, i think it can easily pass FA status Eli + 09:01, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Wow! I just realised that if so, it'll be the first FA that I'll have contributed to significantly. Thanks Elie. :-) Will try and make some more interesting Lebanese archaeological additions soon! Paul Bedson ❉talk❉ 00:11, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

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Thanks for the heads up. You could probably start a page on the Architecture of Byblos that could fill twice that page. I am a tiddly bit busy taking my neolithic work to the attention of the authorities there at the moment. Hope to be back on project more in the new year! Kind Regards, Paul Bedson ❉talk❉ 22:33, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

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Hi Paul, Sorry, I was out of the country and missed your post somehow. From the powerpoint presentation it looks as though you had a fascinating time. I can't make any comments about it except that it's awfully tricky separating out evidence of roundhouses to find out which were contemporary. Good luck with it. And thanks for the kind comments - all the best to you and yours (well, not UKIP I'm afraid, but as an American I've got a different point of view about many things involved in British politics). Dougweller (talk) 17:37, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Thank you Doug. Your encouragement and best wishes mean more than you could know right now. I am very grateful for your time to look at the presentation. Your comments are similar to Assaad Seif's concerning skepticism over the round houses, which he says he sees a lot of, and are usually for contemporary military purposes. It is tricky to tell though and look down northwest of Beit Lahia (Lebanon) and all around Mount Hermon you'll find loads more stone structures and Roman temple sites that have never seen the light of a geophysical survey or a pollen core analysis. Seif has replied positively with the intention of getting the area surveyed (somehow). The somehow is a big somehow, but I'll maybe leave all the intricacies of that to mull over a festive break. I am having to let my UKIP membership lapse after moving to Brighton recently, my purpose in doing that was really just because a) it's boring in Plymouth b) it's quite interesting to see how the system runs c) I had the intention of taking the maximum number of protest votes away from the United Kingdom coalition government (2010–present) and the Labour Party (which I felt was my public duty). I'm feeling Wikipedia is more of a public duty recently and intend to combo Alexander Thom and Julian Cope as some interesting sources for us to discuss and debate 300+ British stone circle astronomical alignment and public access sections next year, as well as Lorraine Copeland's Part 2 of the Inventory of Prehistoric sites in south, central and eastern Lebanon (the Bekaa Valley) coming from a book depository in Jerusalem for 2012. We should have some fun. Look forward to that and I hope you have/had a good break. Paul Bedson ❉talk❉ 04:36, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Interesting. I just looked at Cope's article, I had no idea about his music. Enjoy Brighton. Dougweller (talk) 06:29, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

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I doubt it will be as big a seller as the Bible, but figure this knowledge of mankind's first culture should be available for all, for free on here. Or in print if you want it. :) Paul Bedson ❉talk❉ 05:08, 24 December 2011 (UTC) 05:07, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Most of it is available free here - it's a collection of our articles and other sources, selling for $45, which I guess is better than some of his other collections of Wikipedia and other free articles selling for $113 of $114. I'm glad to see that Amazon makes it clear what these are. Dougweller (talk) 06:31, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

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You've lost any respect I had for you. This sort of behavior is just asking to be blocked. Dougweller (talk) 18:39, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

I'll get back to work on archaeology matters here soon. My apologies for any inconvenience. Let me know if I can assist with anything to rebuild your respect. Paul Bedson ❉talk❉ 19:01, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

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A Timelord is a friend of mine. We didn't mean to create a hoax but an attempt to establish a consensus for change to ASPRO chronology dating conventions regarding the WP:ERA rule that states: Do not arbitrarily change from one era style to the other on any given article. Instead, attempt to establish a consensus for change at the talk page. Reasons for the proposed change should be specific to the content of the article; a general preference for one style over another is not a valid reason.

That is over now, we did our best, it maybe got a bit out of hand, but I have no intention for any further efforts to establish consensus on that issue, as I am sure A Timelord won't bother if he is ever unblocked. I have lots more important work to do documenting of the Heavy Neolithic archaeological sites of the Qaraoun culture that started "culture" in the first place. That will keep me busy and I have assured Elen that I will try my very best to avoid anything that might be disruptive. Paul Bedson ❉talk❉ 20:20, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Paul, I don't see how edit comments full of "TARDIS noise" or a mass deletion of an article and replacement by some fringe stuff here [4] was trying to gain consensus for anything. Dougweller (talk) 20:37, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Sorry about that! That was an accident caused when creating a page on a live page. I reverted it within 11 minutes if you check the log. Apologies again. Paul Bedson ❉talk❉ 21:11, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

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Hey! Just wanted to point you toward the MOS for date formats WP:DATE, particularly involving how to write the dates. On wikipedia, we don't ever use th, st, or nd, and days of the week are not normally needed either. Just a gentle reminder :) Jeancey (talk) 23:49, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! I have been on a bit of a break, so needed reminding! Paul Bedson ❉talk❉ 23:51, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

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In the external links there's an Emmy award winning documentary hosted by A-list notable celebrity Charlton Heston discussing this guy's work. I have added plenty of other mainstream sources to the article to beef up that he's obviously notable. Paul Bedson ❉talk❉ 20:27, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

That would be grand, except that there's no reliable source that it won an emmy and the official lists appear to have neglected to mention it. Stuartyeates (talk) 08:09, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Here are a couple that I have added to the article and clarified it was an award for Best Research for a Documentary in the News & Documentary Emmy Awards.^[1]^[2] Paul Bedson ❉talk❉ 10:26, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

I found a pay site that confirms the Emmy, although I don't think your sources are sufficient. I've reverted the stuff about the book with Scranton suggesting West is notable, the way I read the sources they just ignore West, suggesting he is anything but notable for that book. Dougweller (talk) 10:59, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

I guess his primary notability is for erosion hypothesis. Have put an external link to a YouTube video of him and Scranton. Paul Bedson ❉talk❉ 11:40, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

I found an extra source for the emmy in a UCL published book that should make it reliable enough.^[3]

^ Quigley Publishing (1 January 2006). International television & video almanac, p. 64. Quigley Pub. Co. ISBN 978-0-900610-78-3. Retrieved 23 July 2012.
^ Society for Scientific Exploration (1996). Journal of scientific exploration: a publication of the Society for Scientific Exploration, p. 582. Pergamon. Retrieved 23 July 2012.
^ Sally MacDonald; Michael Rice (2003). Consuming Ancient Egypt. UCL. pp. 183–. ISBN 978-1-84472-003-3. Retrieved 23 July 2012.

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No problem. I didn't make that page, simply moved it to make way for details about the historical Aonachs. Paul Bedson ❉talk❉ 09:30, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Autopatrolled

Hey; I've re-granted you the "autopatrolled" userright; you've been writing some fantastic articles :). Keep up the great work! Ironholds (talk) 17:10, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

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Please note than in addition to problems with the content, I have expressed concerns that you may have a WP:COI in relation to the subject of this article. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:13, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of Edmund Marriage for deletion

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I have also nominated Patrick Foundation as part of the same AFD discussion. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:05, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

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Douris, Lebanon

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Thanks. I am just moving some populated place pages that have got (village) or (Baalbek) after them to standardise on ", Lebanon". Hopefully nothing to worry about. Paul Bedson ❉talk❉ 23:36, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

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Oops, sorry about this. I'll follow procedure next time I move a page. Thanks! Paul Bedson ❉talk❉ 23:50, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
- It's not always obvious how different things work around here, so no worries. Just to clarify, if you wrote the entire article yourself and are the only major contributor (such as appears to be the case with Yanta (village), unless that content started at some other article that I'm unaware of), then cutting and pasting is acceptable although discouraged. It's when you are moving around pages with significant contributions from others that it runs into a copyright situation that needs to be fixed. Have you moved around any other articles around in this way which you didn't write yourself? VernoWhitney (talk) 00:02, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Not lately. I think I had this problem in the past once when I moved a page a long time ago, I forgot there was procedure to follow. Sorry again. Paul Bedson ❉talk❉ 00:07, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Paul, a quick scan of your contributions shows that you have done other cut-and-paste-moves. So far, I have identified Yanta (village) → Yanta, Lebanon

Please can you check for others, and fix them? Thanks. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:53, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

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Fringe theories, unreliable sources, irrelevant citations

Paul

After encountering your articles on Edmund Marriage and th Patrick Foundation and taking to AFD here, I have looked at more of your contributions to see if they replicated any of the problems which I identified there: COI, irrelevant or misleading citations, or lack of notability. I also scrutinised your contributions for instances of whether you had been pushing fringe POVs.

I have only spent about an hour on this, but the results so far are alarming:

Several articles which you created have only one source, and thereby fail notability guidelines: e.g. Denis Buzy, Wadi Tahuna
George Aaron Barton is completely unrefrerenced
In Christian O'Brien, the uncle of your friend Edmund Marriage (about whom you wrote a biog, contrary to WP:COI), I found that out of 7 footnotes there was one completely irrelevant citation, and 3 citations to unreliable sources. One of those citations was to the pseudohistorian R. A. Schwaller de Lubicz, who you have referenced extensively in your editing
Wandlebury Enigma enigma contains another irrelevant citation, to an authoritative source which clearly does not support the facts referenced
I have nor examined all of the sources in those articles, but I am concerned that some of the other refs may be to self-published or fringe theories

So far as I can see, a significant portion of your editing consists of promoting theories which as you say have been ignored by the corporate world of academia. This is not what Wikipedia is for.

So far as I can see, you have a long pattern of systematically ignoring some of the basic principles of Wikipedia:

Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thought, and your promotion topics or views which you feel have been ignored breaches that principle
Wikipedia is not a soapbox or means of promotion, and should not be used to promote your friends or colleagues such as Edmund Marriage
Wikipeda should not be used to promote fringe theories. The idea of Christian O'Brien, R. A. Schwaller de Lubicz etc clearly fall into that category, yet you repeatedly cite them as if they carried mainstream support
Your use of references is consistently very poor. As noted above, you repeatedly cite refs to unreliable sources, and you repeatedly add references which do not support the facts which they are claimed to assert

Your extensive contributions now range across many related articles, and your userpage makes it explicitly clear that your primary purpose in editing Wikipedia is to promote the fringe theories of your friend Edmund Marriage and his late uncle Christian O'Brien.

This has now continued for a long time, and you have been warned about it before (e.g. in July 2011). At this point, I think that it is time for you to stop making any contributions to Wikipedia in respect of archaeology or myths, or the theories of Christian O'Brien/Edmund Marriage/Schwaller de Lubicz et al. Your interest in these topics is fine, but Wikipedia should not be used in the way you have been using it; your desire to promote these theories is perfectly legitimate, but should not be pursued through Wikipedia.

As to the rest of your editing, the problems I have identified in referencing suggest to me that you should seek assistance in improving the quality of your work. You may find that Wikipedia:Editor review could help.

You are free to disagree with any or all of what I have written, but if you continue to misuse references or push fringe theories and topics where you have a COI, then I am minded to use Wikipedia's sanctions processes to have restrictions imposed on your editing. I would much prefer that you took it upon yourself to try to follow Wikipedia's policies. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:46, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

The discussions on such topics as Christian O'Brien and the Wandlebury Enigma were held a long time ago and I may not be entirely responsible for all the references on those pages anymore. They were made years ago. The inline reference to the Golden Age Project Website on Christian O'Brien can certainly be deleted, that shouldn't be there. I discussed R. A. Schwaller de Lubicz with Dougweller, who judged him as "notable fringe" at the time, so permitted his use to some extent. If that needs clearing up, let me know, but talk to Doug first. I'll do some research on Amazon rankings and the book results, but kinda think Edward F. Malkowski also falls into that category. We can discuss that on the AFD page.

Now, as for Denis Buzy, Wadi Tahuna and George Aaron Barton, these topics are in no way fringe and I have provided a whole heap of extra references to restore Buzy and remove your tags from the others. These, along with my work on the early Neolithic cultures of Lebanon, along with the earliest Sumerian writing that may document them, may support non-mainstream theories about the Neolithic Revolution spreading from the Beqaa Valley, but again, this has been suggested by non-fringe, notable sources like Jacques Cauvin and is independent from even O'Brien's suggestion of a capital site for this culture in the Aaiha plain. Recording the history of human culture is what Wikipedia is all about, despite all the rules, which I do my best to abide by. I'll happily admit that I have a COI writing about my ancestors, but then everyone does because they are your ancestors too. Threatening sanctions against this could be interpreted as COI against humanity and possibly even racist against the Lebanese! My interest also comes from visiting the site and walking along the 1 mile bedrock cut "river of Eden" (which you can go see on Google Earth) and seen the cave at the start of the Jordan, which is specialist knowledge that Wikipedia should value.[[5]] In this effort, I can only ensure my continued diligence and hope that your continued reviewing of my work will enlighten you about the Tahunian / Qaraoun culture and their place in history, archaeology and mythology. Paul Bedson ❉talk❉ 16:09, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Paul, your claim that "sanctions against this could be interpreted as COI against humanity and possibly even racist against the Lebanese" is as much of a fringe theory as the POVs you are pushing. Please stop being silly.

Specialist knowledge is great, but Wikipedia is not the place for pushing your own work "early Neolithic cultures of Lebanon" or anything else. Wikipedia requires NPOV, rather than trying to build the case for what you acknowledge are "non-mainstream theories". See WP:VNT and WP:WEIGHT. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:52, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

I get the point, less fringe pushing, but the "early Neolithic cultures of Lebanon" were the focus of the first female professor, Dorothy Garrod, who along with Lorraine Copeland, Henri Fleisch, Henri de Contenson, Jacques Cauvin amongst many other notable archaeologists and Jesuits passed this information on to me to give to Wikipedia and the world. I've read those rules and give them due consideration. The spirit to explore our Near Eastern ancestry has been one of the highest virtues since the days when Flinders Petrie set an example with it. These are the people whose work I am pushing and suggest you read up on them to see why. Paul Bedson ❉talk❉ 19:06, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Paul, Wikipedia is not a means to pass on info given to you by individuals. It's a tertiary publication, which means that it covers the state of knowledge as expressed in secondary reliable sources. It's also an NPOV publication, so you should not be pushing anybody's work. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 08:26, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Ok, but the state of knowledge on the origins of human culture as expressed in secondary reliable sources and compiled in this tertiary publication still requires much work and could be greatly improved. It doesn't even know where our oldest city was! Or where the first domesticated wheat was cultivated! or the origins of this sedentary culture came from that we like to enjoy sitting at our computers in our houses. The likes of Copeland, Fleisch, Garrod and Cauvin were the leaders of a very few individuals who got close to an adequate state of knowledge on this subject and their secondary reliable sources covering Lebanese prehistory are almost as rare and endangered as the archaeology they cover. You will probably have to un-seal the pages yourself if you can prise any copies out of obscure libraries. If you read up on the Heavy Neolithic and related subjects I mostly write about, you'll see that it is not the views of individuals that I am "pushing", but a "panel" of experts and researchers that still continues that tradition at the MOM today. These include Francis Hours, Diana Kirkbride, Maurice Dunand, G.L. Harding, Dr. and Mrs. Solecki, Mr. Van Liere, H. Balfet, Professor Robert Braidwood and Mrs. Braidwood, Olga Tufnell, Brian Gregor, Bernard Geze, Ziyad Beydoun, M. Hajjar, Jirku, Burkhalter, Kuschke, Frick, Hankey, Moshe Stekelis to name a few, not to mention the workers, shepherds, farmers, etc. who helped produce the sources I use and recover the flints that I draw. I am simply preserving that knowledge of that generation that has been neglected since the wars in Lebanon broke out in the late 60s and passing it on to a generation that I hope will be able to continue if Lebanon and that region can be stabilized. Again with Sumerian mythology, I am representing the views of Thorkild Jacobsen, Jeremy Black, Samuel Noah Kramer as well as George Aaron Barton as a small group of specialists in a very specialist subject. I am sure I could write a lot about Homer Simpson and Mickey Mouse if you like, but the discoveries and stratigraphy of places like Ksar Akil and Bezez Cave and myths like the Song of the Hoe are a much higher priority to improve our state of knowledge about, and of course I will endeavor to remain as neutral as possible in my point of view when covering such topics as you suggest. Paul Bedson ❉talk❉ 17:01, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

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European megaliths

I see that you have inserted Syria in the Template http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:European_megaliths which you might want to re-edit.

(Waugh Bacon (talk) 00:02, 3 October 2012 (UTC))

Hmm, yeah, I see Azerbijan, Russia, Lebanon, Armenia and other non-European megaliths are all in there too. Perhaps a title change might be more appropriate? Paul Bedson ❉talk❉ 00:05, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

How about European, Eurasian and Eastern Mediteranean Megaliths? Paul Bedson ❉talk❉ 00:10, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

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