User:Panyd/Celibacy

The main objections to the article appear to focus on it being a medical terms, rather than what it appears to be to me, which is a sociological phenomenon. I can't see the books, and I would never consider WebMD to be a reliable source (or indeed that reactions to one shooting and its effects on a subsection of the Men's Rights Movement warrants such interest).

Having said that, there are sources that either build on Donnolley's work, or predate it, and which use the concept. The term/concept is used

within the context of population problems
sex education
social repercussions of STDs (Reasons for the Adoption of Celibacy among Older Men and Women Living with HIV/AIDS which uses Donnolley as a reference from which to work)
sexual issues within the prison system
repercussions of military orders during the founding of California (Miguel Costansó: California's Forgotten Founder},
Sexual Patterns in Three Ethnic Subcultures of an American Underclass from the 1960's, talking about the effects of class on sexual status, which is also mentioned in Sex Composition and Correlated Culture Patterns of Colonial America.

There is also large focus on Eastern vs. Western marital concepts and how that feeds into population control and societal sexual mores.

After the academic basis for the sociological concept, there is the recent adoption of the idea by Men's Rights Activists and the cottage industry that has been built around it. This should also include mentions of real-world consequences of said 'philosophy' as they call it.

Unfortunately as it stands, the article in your userspace doesn't address these things in a proportional way. 'Definitions and reasons' and 'Historical usage' could be merged into a more balanced and detailed look at the origins of both the term and the social arenas in which its effects have been felt. It doesn't say what it's actually done. All it says is what it is in rather nebulous terms.

Reasons for involuntary celibacy can differ from person to person or community to community. - Yes! Now say why. Who are the people it's affecting and why? What real world repercussions do people affected by this phenomenon face beyond 'not getting any'? How does the individual's plight relate to farther reaching societal or institutional issues?

Religious celibacy is almost always voluntary. Can you prove it isn't? Why isn't it? What are the consequences of rebelling against what is creating an involuntary celibacy? Modern mormonism says that you can be homosexual as long as you don't have sex, but you could choose to walk away. Making the case for that being involuntary is almost utterly impossible.

You repeatedly state that some feel pressured to state that the celibacy is voluntary out of fear of severe social repercussions or violence - that either needs to be immensely elaborated on to give it any standing in the article, or removed. People say they're straight when they're gay but we allow that weight in an article because of a historical (and alas current) precedent for murder, suicide, and imprisonment. Is the denial of voluntary celibacy important enough to be repeatedly asserted in such a manner? Where is the evidence?

The entire 'Contributing factors in modern involuntary celibacy section needs gutting, shortening, and rewriting. The first paragraph is unsourced, and regardless, vague. The information should be at the top of the article, defining and outlining the concept. It is not a modern phenomena, and unless there's a wealth of sources hidden somewhere, it is not a psychological condition. It is the product of an individual's standing within many different sociological/economic/institutional systems - each with its own reasonings and repercussions within the wider system.

The entire second paragraph is either defining the term as a medical issue (which again, I find no evidence for), and drops the word 'incel' without first describing what that is, where it has come from, and how it relates to the statistics that are being thrown at us. The 'incel' movement is important to the subject, but needs explaining and its justification for inclusion in an article needs good grounding before going into it.

So that is a rather long overview of basic issues with the article as it stands, but also I hope good ways to improve it to assist in addressing the issues raised by the community. Good luck! Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 16:29, 10 May 2015 (UTC)