User:Paju~enwiki/Archive1

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Your account will be renamed

Hello,

The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called Paju. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name Paju~enwiki that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name. If you think you might own all of the accounts with this name and this message is in error, please visit Special:MergeAccount to check and attach all of your accounts to prevent them from being renamed.

Your account will still work as before, and you will be credited for all your edits made so far, but you will have to use the new account name when you log in.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

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Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation

02:02, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

No renaming please! And please respect that this username is local one, as this user has not joined or agreed to join other wikipedias than en.wikipedia

1) No renaming please. E.g. User:Paju in fi.wikipedia allows on his userpage this username to be used by en.wiki User:Paju. the maintenance of fi.wikipedia has informed him/her (User:Paju in fi.wikipedia) that that username will be changed into form Paju~fiwiki in April 2015. I have not yet cheked/asked other Paju-users (some of which I know), if they are against me keeping this username, but fi.wikipedia user is the most active one, and he is not against. I do not know if I need to check what other users think.
2) This username Paju has joined ONLY the large but still limited (e.g. languagewise) usergroup of en.wikipedia, not any other wikipedia, nor does he/she wish/ allow / agree that any of his/her user information (like Username) is transmitted elsewhere (other wikis) than within en.wikipedia. Any other need to login than homewiki should always show separate login request which he/she can accept or deny.
3) User:Paju considers any autologin or transmitting of his/her username elsewhere than enwiki without separate permit illegal, as such an act would violate his/her user privacy. Such an use and tracking & creation of history of his/user identification puts his/her (privacywise) in weaker position than any non-member of en.wikipedia whose identity is not specified through permanent name or other permanent identity. Users with changing IP (like many mobile users) or users with Tor are not autologged in other wikis time after time, when they read or compare articles in other wikis, or are they?? So why you treat wikipedia users as second/third class people (when they are logged in in e.g. en.wikipedia). So why on earth some script or other idiot creation activates autologin (i.e. leaks user information) also on webpages which are just read in other wikis or in Commons??? It clearly violates user privacy, is stupid, shows lack of understanding and disrespect of user privacy of active wikipedians. It could be understood that those users who accept (or wish to have) global accounts, were logged in when they EDIT any pages on other wikipedias than that of their own. But ABSOLUTE NO TO AUTOLOGINin other cases, e.g. WHEN somebody is just READING pages!!!
Paju (talk) 00:23, 26 March 2015 (UTC), User:Paju also in future :-)

Renamed

This account has been renamed as part of single-user login finalisation. If you own this account you can log in using your previous username and password for more information. If you do not like this account's new name, you can choose your own using this form after logging in: Special:GlobalRenameRequest. -- Keegan (WMF) (talk)

17:22, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Deletion discussion about Valerie Mars

Hello, Paju~enwiki,

I wanted to let you know that there's a discussion about whether Valerie Mars should be deleted. Your comments are welcome at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Valerie Mars .

If you're new to the process, articles for deletion is a group discussion (not a vote!) that usually lasts seven days. If you need it, there is a guide on how to contribute. Last but not least, you are highly encouraged to continue improving the article; just be sure not to remove the tag about the deletion nomination from the top.

Thanks,

TheLongTone (talk) 13:42, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

I have now added one more source (Bloomberg Billionaire Index entry of her), where one can verify also her birth day. I hope this helps you in your needs. --Paju~enwiki (talk) 14:44, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

Page move

Hi, I have moved the article Paju~enwiki/Sand1 to User:Paju~enwiki/Sand1, if that is what you were attempting to do. Please use User: if you want to userfy pages/articles. Thanks, MT Train^Talk 13:49, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. --Paju~enwiki (talk) 14:45, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

Invitation to join Women in Red

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--Ipigott (talk) 06:29, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

TheRichest.com as a source

Hi Paju~enwiki. I noticed that you used therichest.com as a source for biographical information in Pamela Mars-Wright. Please note that the general consensus as expressed at WP:RSN is that therichest.com does not meet the reliable sourcing criteria for the inclusion of personal information in such articles. If you disagree, let's discuss it. Thanks.--Ronz (talk) 17:18, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Template:COVID-19 testing by country

Dear Paju~enwiki, I have reverted your edit re-adding a reference to the African CDC as a source for the population of Ghana. We don't currently list sources for country populations in the table, and even if we did, we'd use figures from the country articles. The Ghana article lists 31,072,940 (same figure as reported by the African CDC). Also note that the African CDC population figures are not always reliable. For example, it lists 53,771,296 for Kenya, whereas 2019 Kenya census conducted in late August 2019 reported 47,564,296 (same figure is used in the Kenya article).

Thank you for your contributions to the table! — UnladenSwallow (talk) 20:24, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi! Thank you for this correction. I agree that the population, as well as some COVID-19 related values listed by the Africa CDC which is a relatively new organization of African Union and structure of which is still under construction, sometimes seems to be not 100% correct. Africa CDC could be more transparent in their data practices though. I agree that when recent population census values for countries are available, these should be used (in most cases). Here I have just marked the sources which I used. Please feel free to make corrections if you think other values are more correct. There are some situations and cases with (also historical) population data from e.g. non-free countries where census data does not always give proper understanding of the real situation of the people. Countries could include only their own citizens in population censuses and most other official statistics [and forgot expats and other foreign workers amount of which was in some cases larger than local population]. I have noticed this in my earlier life (in a few cases when I did some post disaster research also in situ). Sometimes annual / monthly statistical summaries of civil registry population data could give a deeper understanding of real population of some region instead of official census data. So, reading about developments of COVID-19 pandemia in Singapore where testing of migrant workers was largely omitted at first, was a deja vu experience to me. - Paju~enwiki (talk) 22:12, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

The case of selecting most correct population value for DR Congo is more challenging as there has not been population census in DR Congo since 1983 or so. I would prefer wikimedia (like many non-English wikis do) to use more neutral UN / World Bank population estimates for countries like DR Congo instead of [CIA] Factbook estimates which have many times been > 10% off (census values). That is if Africa CDC value is not OK for some reason. E.g. UN population estimate (http://data.un.org/en/iso/cd.html) is 86.8 million (2019) with population growth rate 3.3 % (average annual %).--Paju~enwiki (talk) 23:56, 28 April 2020 (UTC) + Paju~enwiki (talk) 09:37, 29 April 2020 (UTC) (population growth rate)

Dear Paju~enwiki, thank you for your many updates to the table. I'd like to make three notes:

1. Cameroon, Guinea, Ivory Coast, Sudan, Tanzania (countries that report their testing numbers through Africa CDC only). I have added detailed comments to these countries explaining how to update them, in accordance with our recent discussion. I have moved your "proof of date" links inside these comments because the special updating rules are not visible to the readers anyway. I hope you like this solution.

It might be more correct to say that Africa CDC is just one (not the only) platform collecting data from many African countries. Their data is published also elsewhere. The amount of official (and de facto) languages used in Africa limits at least my ability to follow local sources in many countries. In some countries (not just in Africa) the president with personal, non-science-based views is part of the challenge. E.g in Tanzania the president John Magufuli suggests herbs from Madagaskar and praying to God protects from COVID-19 (which according to him is satanic); he also kicked out the director of the ~~National Institute for Medical Research (NIMR; national public health institute; d:Q30280978)~~ Tanzania’s National Health Laboratory after ~~he (Magufuli)~~ officials (on behalf of the president) managed to fool Chinese made COVID-19 tests earlier delivered to ~~NIMR~~ national health laboratory with fake (including animal and plant) samples (https://citizentv.co.ke/news/tanzanias-national-health-laboratory-boss-nyambura-moremi-suspended-331720/). Besides, in many countries freedom of the press and social is limited; so more truthful picture is not necessarily available. The countries you have listed above are just examples; data presented by Africa CDC might be poor for other countries as well (including e.g. Egypt, Somalia etc.) --Paju~enwiki (talk) 12:05, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Correct lab now stated. Some of the web pages I read earlier were not precise enough. --Paju~enwiki (talk) 13:16, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

2. Russia. Please don't replace Rospotrebnadzor references with a reference to the Yandex COVID-19 map. The map is indeed very handy (I'm using it myself), but there is precedence among sources that must be followed:

Use the official website of the government's health authority.
If there's no data there, use the official social media account of the government's health authority.
If there's no data there, use another official government website.
If there's no data there, use another official government social media account.
If there's no data there, use the official website of a supranational health or statistics authority (e.g. Africa CDC).
If there's no data there, use a non-official statistics website (e.g. COVID Tracking Project in the U.S.).
If there's no data there, use an article by a local news outlet.
If there's no data there, use an article by a foreign news outlet.

Rospotrebnadzor is the ultimate epidemiological authority in Russia (it was separated from the Ministry of Health in 2012), therefore, references to its official website take precedence.

Firstly: Page with Yandex map IS the official way and website to present COVID-19 data in Russia, and handy, therefore preferred. From Rospotrebnadzor home page (https://rospotrebnadzor.ru/) - COVID-19 related page (https://rospotrebnadzor.ru/about/info/news_time/news_details.php?ELEMENT_ID=13566) - COVID-19 data using map format (https://yandex.ru/maps/covid19?ll=48.455268%2C43.310195&z=3 Карта распространения коронавируса в России и мире). That is, their official COVID-19 page has a direct link to this map presentation of their data. They use Yandex map as GIS platform, as many Russian authorities do. Likewise, in some other countries disaster/epidemiological authority might use Google Earth / Maps based pages as a platform / background e.g. when explaining seismic events or regional epidemiological events. For their COVID-19 dashboards, many countries use ESRI ArcGis map / apps to present their COVID-19 related data. It would be strange to claim that the data would not be official when some ESRI based GIS-page is used. For example by Germany: Robert Koch-Institut: COVID-19-Dashboard), by Sweden (Folkhälsomyndigheten ...) or by the Finnish Institute for Health and Welfare (THL) (Coronamap: Confirmed coronavirus cases (COVID-19) in Finland). And secondly: certainly you must know that in this silovik (former four-star FSB general acting as president) led semi democratic country (Russia), ultimate (epidemiological or medical) authority is not in any civilian ministry or institute. --Paju~enwiki (talk) 12:05, 14 May 2020 (UTC).

3. Poland. Please link to specific tweets containing the data, not an entire Twitter account (your edit in question).

Oukki doukki. --Paju~enwiki (talk) 12:05, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you again for your contributions! — UnladenSwallow (talk) 18:02, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you again. --Paju~enwiki (talk) 12:05, 14 May 2020 (UTC)