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Long term combative editor, WP:OWN, etc

Hi, I mostly edit automobile articles, which is rarely the source of much strife. Facts are not too hard to come by for cars. Over the last few years, however, I find myself constantly knocking heads with one and the same editor. I have a number of issues with the editor in question, triggered by a long running disagreement over units. I will not ask you to judge this particular argument over metric versus imperial horsepower, because it might be too narrow for anyone to care about.

However, in the last few months I find myself constantly coming up against repeated combative behavior, behavior

quote by OSX, removing BMW content en masse

ownership by Carmaker1

PS/ch is alive and well with manufacturers: Peugeot 505, official technical description, Piëch's target number was 1001PS, . Mr.choppers | ✎ 16:54, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

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http://papers.sae.org/840055/

Myanmar auto market https://web.archive.org/web/20181121052345/http://myanmartimes.tripod.com/cgi-bin/search.pl?id=256&view=detail&search=mazda

issue containing content re Mazda B600^[1]

Power and torque

The power rating for cars from metric countries should be shown in kilowatts (kW), with horsepower (hp) in parentheses. For metric cars built before 1972 or where the original unit as used in a majority of reliable sources is in metric horsepower (PS, also known as cv, ch, hk etcetera, depending on the country of origin) use metric horsepower first. Metric horsepower (PS) may complement hp in parentheses, to assist in verifying references or when the unit is closely linked with the vehicle. Be aware that sources frequently confuse metric and imperial horsepower since they are very similar.

American cars will use horsepower (hp) with kilowatts (kW) in parentheses, and British cars will use brake horsepower (bhp) with kilowatts (kW) in parentheses.

The torque rating for cars from metric countries should be shown in Newton metres (N·m), with pound-feet (lb·ft, not ft·lb or ft·lbf) in parentheses. Cars from America, Great Britain and other imperial countries should have the torque stated in pound-feet (lb·ft), followed by Newton metres (N·m) in parentheses. If reliable sources use kilopondmetres, use a conversion template to get the correct output while maintaining N·m as the leading unit. There is usually no need to include the value in kg·m.

Examples:

Home market	Power		Torque
Home market	template	output	template	output
Europe, Japan, etc.	{{cvt\|100\|PS\|kW hp\|0}}	100 PS (74 kW; 99 hp)	{{cvt\|18.4\|kgm\|Nm lbft\|0\|order=out}}	180 N⋅m (133 lb⋅ft)
Europe, Japan, etc.	{{cvt\|74\|kW\|PS hp\|0}}	74 kW (101 PS; 99 hp)	{{cvt\|180\|Nm\|lbft\|0}}	180 N⋅m (133 lb⋅ft)
United States	{{cvt\|100\|hp\|kW\|0}}	100 hp (75 kW)	{{cvt\|133\|lbft\|Nm\|0}}	133 lb⋅ft (180 N⋅m)
Great Britain	{{cvt\|100\|bhp\|kW\|0}}	100 bhp (75 kW)	{{cvt\|133\|lbft\|Nm\|0}}	133 lb⋅ft (180 N⋅m)

When converting units, use of the {{cvt}} template with the "order=flip" or "order=out" option allows the units to be displayed in the desired order while avoiding any conversion inaccuracies, e.g. {{cvt|100|PS|kW|0|order=flip}} results in "74 kW (100 PS)"; otherwise use of {{cvt|74|kW|PS|0}} results in the inaccurate result of "74 kW (101 PS)".

Mitsubishi Indonesia

XE Falcon GL Wagon

T100 yg dibilang ak4ng apakah ada msk indo? Koq saya gak pernah nemuin. Kalo berdasarkan parts katalog KTB gen PU urutannya: 1. Colt T120 (73-77) 2. Colt T120 (78 up) - yg ini gak ada dikatalog. 3. Colt Minicab L100 (80-82). 4. Colt L300 bensin 1400cc (81-83) 5. Colt L300 bensin 1600cc (84-00) 6. Colt L300 diesel 2300cc (84-88) 7. Jetstar (86 - unknown) 8. Colt L300 diesel 2500cc (88- now)

great paper, lots of stuff re suzuki and kijang and others

73 PS (53.7 kW) 1,080 kg (2,381 lb) 117 km/h (73 mph) 13 kg⋅m (127 N⋅m; 94 lb⋅ft)

Peugeot 404

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Peugeot 404 (1960-75)
Version	Model Code	Bodystyle	Engine	Size cc	Fuel feed	Power			Torque			Brakes front/rear	Weight		Top Speed		Years produced
Version	Model Code	Bodystyle	Engine	Size cc	Fuel feed	hp	kW	/ rpm	Nm	lbft	/ rpm	Brakes front/rear	kg	lb	km/h	mph	Years produced
Petrol-engined models
404 berline administration	404 A8	Saloon	XB2	1468	Carburator	SAE: 66 DIN: 60	49 44	5000	SAE: 112 DIN: 107	82 79	2,500	drum/drum	1,070	2,357	135	84	1964-09.67
404/8 Confort	404/8	Saloon										disc/drum	1,070	2,357	135	84	09.67-02.72
404 Commerciale	404 U6	Station wagon										drum/drum	1,150	2,535	125	78	07.62-63
	404 U6		XB5									drum/drum	1,150	2,535	125	78	1963-09.70
	404 U6S		XC7	1618		SAE: 73 DIN: 68	54 50	5600 5400	SAE: 127 DIN: 118	94 87	2500	disc/drum	1,190	2,624	135	84	09.70-71
404 GT	404	berlina	XC	1618	Carburator	SAE: 72 DIN: 65	53 48	5400	SAE: 127	94	2250	drum/drum	1,070	2,359	142	88	1960-09.64
			XC5			SAE: 76 DIN: 70	56 51	5600	SAE: 130	96	2500		1,070	2,359	146	91	09.64-66
			XC6			SAE: 80 DIN: 74	59 54	5600	SAE: 132	98	2500		1,080	2,381	150	93	1966-10.68
			XC6			SAE: 80 DIN: 74	59 54	5600	SAE: 132	98	2500	disc/drum	1,080	2,381	150	93	10.68-09.70
			XC7			SAE: 73 DIN: 68	54 50	5600 5400	SAE: 127 DIN: 118	94 87	2500	disc/drum	1,100	2,425	148	92	09.70-05.75
404 SL	404	berlina	XC	1618	Carburator	SAE: 72 DIN: 65	53 48	5400	SAE: 127	94	2250	drum/drum	1,070	2,359	142	88	1961-09.64
			XC5			SAE: 76 DIN: 70	56 51	5600	SAE: 130	96	2500		1,070	2,359	146	91	09.64-66
			XC6			SAE: 80 DIN: 74	59 54	5600	SAE: 132	98	2500		1,080	2,381	150	93	1966-68
	404 C	coupé	XC			SAE: 72 DIN: 65	53 48	5400	SAE: 127	94	2250		1,125	2,480	150	93	1962-09.64
			XC5			SAE: 76 DIN: 70	56 51	5600	SAE: 130	96	2500		1,125	2,480	153	95	09.64-66
			XC6			SAE: 80 DIN: 74	59 54	5600	SAE: 132	98	2500		1,130	2,491	157	98	1966-68
		cabriolet	XC			SAE: 72 DIN: 65	53 48	5400	SAE: 127	94	2250		1,080	2,381	148	92	1961-09.64
			XC5			SAE: 76 DIN: 70	56 51	5600	SAE: 130	96	2500				150	93	09.64-66
			XC6			SAE: 80 DIN: 74	59 54	5600	SAE: 132	98	2500				155	96	1966-68
404 Injection	404 KF	Saloon	XCKF	1618	Mechanical fuel injection	SAE: 85 DIN: 80	SAE: 63 DIN: 59	5500	SAE: 137	101	2800	drum/drum	1,080	2,381	155	96	1961-63
			XCKF1			SAE: 85 DIN: 80	SAE: 63 DIN: 59	5500	SAE: 137	101	2800				155	96	1963-09.64
			XCKF2			SAE: 96 DIN: 88	71 65	5700	SAE: 141	104	2800				160	99	09.64-68
	404 CKF	Coupé	XCKF			SAE: 85 DIN: 80	SAE: 63 DIN: 59	5500	SAE: 137	101	2800		1,100	2,425	158	98	1962-63
			XCKF1			SAE: 85 DIN: 80	SAE: 63 DIN: 59	5500	SAE: 137	101	2800				158	98	1963-09.64
			XCKF2			SAE: 96 DIN: 88	71 65	5700	SAE: 141	104	2800				167	104	09.64-68
		Convertible	XCKF			SAE: 85 DIN: 80	SAE: 63 DIN: 59	5500	SAE: 137	101	2800		1,075	2,368	158	98	1961-63
			XCKF1			SAE: 85 DIN: 80	SAE: 63 DIN: 59	5500	SAE: 137	101	2800				158	98	1963-09.64
			XCKF2			SAE: 96 DIN: 88	71 65	5700	SAE: 141	104	2800				167	104	09.64-68
404 Break SL	404 L XC5 TH	Station wagon	XC5	1618	Carburetor	SAE: 76 DIN: 70	56 51	5600	SAE: 130	96	2500	drum/drum	1,175	2,590	140	87	09.64-66
	404 L XC6 TH		XC6			SAE: 80 DIN: 74	59 54	5600	SAE: 132	98	2500	drum/drum	1,190	2,624	145	90	1966-10.68
	404 L XC6 TH		XC6			SAE: 80 DIN: 74	59 54	5600	SAE: 132	98	2500	disc/drum			145	90	10.68-09.70
	404 L XC7 TH		XC7			SAE: 73 DIN: 68	54 50	5600 5400	SAE: 127 DIN: 118	94 87	2500	disc/drum			138	86	09.70-71
404 Familiale	404 L XC TW	Station wagon	XC	1618	Carburetor	SAE: 72 DIN: 65	53 48	5400	SAE: 127	94	2250	drum/drum	1,175	2,588	135	84	07.62-09.64
	404 L XC5 TW		XC5			SAE: 76 DIN: 70	56 51	5600	SAE: 130	96	2500		1,175	2,588	140	87	09.64-66
	404 L XC6 TW		XC6			SAE: 80 DIN: 74	59 54	5600	SAE: 132	98	2500		1,190	2,624	145	90	1966-10.68
	404 L XC6 TW		XC6			SAE: 80 DIN: 74	59 54	5600	SAE: 132	98	2500	disc/drum			145	90	10.68-09.70
	404 L XC7 TW		XC7			SAE: 73 DIN: 68	54 50	5600 5400	SAE: 127 DIN: 118	94 87	2500	disc/drum			138	86	09.70-71
Diesel-engined models
404 Diesel	404 D	Saloon	XD88	1948	Naturally aspirated diesel	SAE: 68 DIN: 60	50 44	4500	SAE: 119	88	2250	drum/drum	1,150	2,535	130	81	1963-09.72
404 Diesel	404 D	Saloon	XD88	1948		SAE: 65 DIN: 57	48 42	4500	-	-	-		1,150	2,535	128	80	09.72-05.75
404 Familiale Diesel	404 LD	Station wagon	XD85	1816		SAE: 55 DIN: 50	40 37	4000	SAE: 108	80	2250		1,250	2,756	120	75	07.62-64
404 Familiale Diesel	404 LD	Station wagon	XD88	1948		SAE: 68 DIN: 60	50 44	4500	SAE: 119	88	2250		1,170	2,579	128	80	1964-05.75
404 Commerciale Diesel	404 U6D	Station wagon	XD85	1816		SAE: 55 DIN: 50	40 37	4000	SAE: 108	80	2250		1,225	2,701	110	68	07.62-65
404 Commerciale Diesel	404 U6D	Station wagon	XD88	1948		SAE: 63 DIN: 53	46 39	4000	SAE:				1,225	2,701	115	71	1965-05.75

Dopo la tabella relativa alle versioni europee, ecco una tabella riepilogativa inerente alle versioni prodotte e commercializzate in Argentina:

Modello	Carrozzeria	Motore	Cilindrata cm³	Potenza CV/rpm	Coppia Nm/rpm	Freni ant./post.	Massa a vuoto (kg)	Velocità max	Anni di produzione
Versioni a benzina
404	berlina	XC6B	1618	64/5400	128/2500	T/T	1.070	147	1962-64
404				65/5400	128/2500			147	1964-67
404 L				73/5400	137/2800			150	1967-69
404 GL/SL						D/T - T/T 404 S			1969-81
404 Gran Prix/Le Mans									1970-78
404 S		XC5 S		115/6400	-		-	185	1964-65
404 Rural	Break	XC6B		65/5400	128/2500	T/T	1.175	135	1963-64
404 Pick-Up	Pick-up	XC6B		73/5400	137/2800	T/T	1.220	130	1973-79
Versioni a gasolio
404 Diesel	berlina	XD88	1948	45/3000	118/1500	D/T	1.150	120	1971-80
404 Pick-up Diesel	Pick-up	XD88	1948	45/3000	118/1500	T/T	1.250	110	1973-79

Franco Chilena

Automotores Franco Chilena S.A. The operation started to lose momentum as import licenses for automotive parts were cancelled and replaced with an 11 percent tariff. This made locally made cars about twenty percent more expensive than ones imported fully-built-up from France, meaning that the writing was on the wall for the enterprise.^[2]

Automobile manufacturers and products

Market profile

Cheaper and simpler cars are naturally preferred, as is the case for most markets at the same developmental stage as Indonesia.

While many Western brands are present, as well as certain others, Japanese brands have long had a dominant position in Thailand. In 1978 and 1982, for instance, Japanese brands received 91 and 90 percent shares.^[3] In 2006, they still had a 88.5 percent share, in spite of the late entries of Ford, General Motors, Volkswagen, and BMW.^[4]

Light and medium trucks, as well as microvans, also provide the basis for the ubiquitous Songthaew (Share taxis) which provide much of the local transport requirements in Thailand. Modes of transport in Thailand consist of a multitude of different solutions ranging from elephants to airplanes, but passenger cars have been steadily increasing in popularity.

General Motors

Having had an early presence in Thailand since the creation of Bangchan Motors in 1970, General Motors withdrew in the late seventies as the Vietnam War, Thai domestic stability, and the energy crisis all threatened their ability to do business.^[5] After having left in 1977,^[3] General Motors Thailand (GMT) returned in 2000, subsequent to the elimination of local content requirements.^[6] They have since offered a combination of Opels, Daewoos, and Holdens with Chevrolet badging.

General Motors placed the production of the Chevrolet Zafira (Opel) to Thailand, originally with the intention of supplying the local ASEAN markets only. After the 1997 Asian financial crisis and resulting market collapse this aim had to be adjusted, and by 2002 90% of the production of General Motors' Rayong plant was being exported, as far away as Europe and Chile.^[7] The Zafira also marked a notable first for the Thai car industry, when it became the first finished car to be exported to Japan (as the Subaru Traviq).^[7] The Zafira was built in Thailand from May 2000 until 2005. Various Daewoos and Isuzu pickup trucks are also provided with Chevrolet badging, as is the Holden Commodore ("Chevrolet Lumina").^[8] GMT also assembled the Alfa Romeo 156 in 2002-2004, a result of Fiat and GM's strategic alliance.^[9]

Honda

Honda only began assembling cars in Thailand in 1984, by a company called Banghan General. Banghan continued to do so under license until 2000, even though Honda established their own parallel production by Honda Cars Manufacturing Thailand in 1992. This company, with 91.4% Honda ownership, then changed its name to Honda Automobile (Thailand) in 2000. The most famous model of Honda Thailand is the 1996 City, a small sedan developed especially for the ASEAN markets and not intended for sale in Japan. Nonetheless, the second generation City (2002) has been exported to Japan as the Honda Fit Aria since its introduction.^[10]

Isuzu

Isuzus have been built in Thailand since 1963 by the Isuzu Assembling Plant. The company became "Isuzu Motors Co. (Thailand)" in 1966, and built their first pickup trucks in 1974.^[10] The Thai-only Isuzu Vega SUV was built from 1998 until 2002. The larger and more rounded MU-7 SUV can seat six or seven and appeared in November 2004.

Mazda

The first Mazdas assembled in Thailand were three-wheeled commercial vehicles, in 1950.^[10] In 1974 "Sukosol and Mazda Motor Industry" was founded, opening Mazda's first knock-down assembly plant in 1975. In 1998 the AutoAlliance Thailand (AAT, formed in 1995) automobile assembly plant was opened, a joint venture between Ford Motor Company and Mazda Motor Corporation in Rayong province, Thailand. AAT builds compact pickup trucks and SUVs primarily for the South-East Asian market, with exports to other developing markets and Europe as well. The Mazda 323 Protégé was produced between January 2000 and 2002,^[11] but was replaced with imports from the Philippines as a result of market liberalizations.

Suzuki

PT. IndoMobil Suzuki International is a joint venture between Suzuki Motor Corporation and the IndoMobil Group. The company is located in Jakarta, Indonesia and specialized in manufacturing Suzuki vehicles for the local market. Their first product was the ST20 Carry, which saw extensive use as an Angkot.^[12] Suzuki's first Indonesian activity was in 1970 through its import firm PT. Indohero Steel & Engineering Company. Six years later they had built their manufacturing facility in Jakarta, which is the oldest part of the IndoMobil Group.

Since 2004, Suzuki Indonesia's APV (All Purpose Vehicle) budget MPV has been assembled exclusively in Indonesia. Designed in Japan, it is exported to numerous countries since 2005, to the ASEAN and beyond. As with many other IndoMobil Suzuki products it is also available with Mitsubishi badging (as the "Maven").

Toyota

PT. Toyota Astra Motor (TAM) was founded in April 1971.^[13] Vehicle production began in September 1974 at the PT. Multi-Astra manufacturing subsidiary.^[13] Toyota Indonesia's most famous product is the Kijang series of light trucks and vans. The Kijang, developed from the Philippine market Tamaraw Revo of 1976, has spawned an entire range of vehicles and are now built in a number of Asian countries including India. The Kijang was one of a series of BUV's, or Basic Utility Vehicles, developed for developing markets by several global manufacturers in the 1960s and 1970s.

Currently Toyota Astra Motor's production is carried out by PT. Toyota Motor Manufacturing Indonesia (TMMIN), which consists of the erstwhile PT. Multi-Astra as well as PT. Toyota Mobilindo (which was established in December 1976 with production commencing in May 1977).

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^ Diaz, Vladimir (2020-06-25). "¿No lo sabía?: Hace 50 años se fabricaban automóviles en Los Andes" [You didn't know? 50 years ago automobiles were manufactured in the Andes]. El Andino. Archived from the original on 2020-12-14.
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^ ^a ^b Piszczalski, Martin (2002-04-01), "Thailand Tales: Profits Still Elusive", Plastics Technology, Gardner Business Media, retrieved 2012-11-25
^ World of Cars 2006·2007, p. 271
^ "Equipment Boost For 2002 Alfa Romeo 166". www.autoweb.com.au. Archived from the original on 2011-07-06. Retrieved 2007-05-08.
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^ Trisulo, Bambang; Samudra, M; Firmansyah, Arif (2003). Arsip mobil kita: Tamasya sejarah seabad perjalanan mobil di Indonesia (in Indonesian). Jakarta: PT Temprint. p. 109. ISBN 9789799768506. {{cite book}}: Unknown parameter |trans_title= ignored (|trans-title= suggested) (help)
^ ^a ^b "Overall Chronological Table: 1971-1980". 75 Years of Toyota. Toyota Motor Corporation. Retrieved 2014-01-18.

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[nolosabia-2] Diaz, Vladimir (2020-06-25). "¿No lo sabía?: Hace 50 años se fabricaban automóviles en Los Andes" [You didn't know? 50 years ago automobiles were manufactured in the Andes]. El Andino. Archived from the original on 2020-12-14.

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[Pilszszs-7] Piszczalski, Martin (2002-04-01), "Thailand Tales: Profits Still Elusive", Plastics Technology, Gardner Business Media, retrieved 2012-11-25

[WC06271-8] World of Cars 2006·2007, p. 271

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[12] Trisulo, Bambang; Samudra, M; Firmansyah, Arif (2003). Arsip mobil kita: Tamasya sejarah seabad perjalanan mobil di Indonesia (in Indonesian). Jakarta: PT Temprint. p. 109. ISBN 9789799768506. {{cite book}}: Unknown parameter |trans_title= ignored (|trans-title= suggested) (help)

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