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Part 1: Remarks

Quotes

• UNI: "Some one asked me to do the abhishek of one small idol claiming it to be 'Nilkanthvarni,' but I said this is a false Nilkanth as the Nilkanth, the husband of Parvathi, is only one that is Lord Shiva, who drinks poison."
• Indian Express: "Morari Bapu, during one of his kathas (religious discourses) recently remarked that Lord Shiva was the only true Neelkanth and not “ones that had eaten laddus”.
• BBC (translated): Morari Bapu told the stage while doing Rama Katha, "When it comes to Nilkanth Abhishek, open your ears and understand, Shiva is anointed. If someone anoint Nilkanth in their branches, then it is fake Nilkanth. He is Kailash. No. Who is Neelkanth, who has drunk poison, he is the one.
• VTV (translated): In which Moraribapu said that the anointing of Nilakantha is the anointing of Shiva. If someone animates Neelkanth in his branch, then he is not Shiva a fake Neelkanth. Eucalyptus cataracts are erupting. The person who has poisoned it is called Nilakantha. Whoever eats lads does not have emeralds.
  • Title uses the word કટાક્ષ (sarcasm – see hereand here)

;Details to Incorporate

1. Identify time (September 2019) and context ("in one of his discourses")
2. Nilkanth is a name shared by both Shiva and Swaminarayan, not just a title, and Morari Bapu was referring to Swaminarayan.
3. “Eating ladus” references a colonial-racist trope (metaphorical expression) that invokes the image of an indulgent, hypocritical fraud disguised as a Hindu ascetic or holy man and is meant to deride the authenticity of Swaminarayan's austerities.
4. Followers responded to remarks, not the refusal to perform the ritual.
   

Policies to Acknowledge

1. Maintain neutrality for Morari Bapu's life works without creating undue weight to one recent event (WP:BALASPS)
2. Maintain neutrality for followers of Swaminarayan tradition by summarizing the details which caused reaction vs quoting word-for-word (WP:IMPARTIAL)

Proposed Version - 4/4b

In one of his discourses in September 2019, Morari Bapu questioned the authenticity of any deity called Nilkanth other than Shiva who also known by the same name. He also recollected that he had previously refused to perform abhisheka ritual of Nilkanthvarni, the adolescent form of Swaminarayan, the founder and deity of the Swaminarayan tradition.

Proposed Version - 7

In one of his discourses in September 2019, Morari Bapu made some sarcastic remarks about Swaminarayan.

Part 2: Response

Proposed Version - 4/4b

Followers of the tradition found Bapu's statement as hurting to their religious sentiments, challenged his views and demanded an apology. Bapu later apologised and sought forgiveness for his statements.

Proposed Version - 7

Followers of the tradition challenged his views, and Morari Bapu later apologized for his statements and sought forgiveness for his statements.

Previous proposals

Original Version - 0

In September 2019, he had took sarcastic dig at Sahajanand Swami, founder of Swaminarayan sect, and said that, "To become Nilkanth (one name of Shiva), you have to drink poison. You can't become Nilkanth by eating laddus (referring to Sahajananda)." The comments triggered a controversy and saints from the Swaminarayan sect demanded an apology. He later apologised.

Proposed Version - 1

In September 2019, Morari Bapu made derogatory remarks about Swaminarayan in one of his discourses, and many Swaminarayan followers asked him to apologize for his religious intolerance, which he ultimately did.

Proposed Version - 2a

In September 2019, Morari Bapu has criticized the title Nilkanth Varni used by members of the Swaminarayan tradition for its founder Sahajanand Swami by equating it to Nilkanth, the title of Shiva. His views have been challenged by members of the tradition, and Bapu later apologised to them for his statements.

Proposed Version - 2b

In one of his discourses in September 2019, Morari Bapu questioned the authenticity of any deity called Nilkanth other than Shiva who also known by the same name. His views were challenged by members of the Swaminarayan tradition who also call their founder Sahajanand Swami as Nilkanthvarni. Bapu later apologised for his statements.

Proposed Version - 3a

In September 2019, Morari Bapu made derogatory remarks about Swaminarayan in one of his discourses. His views were challenged by members of the tradition, and Bapu later apologized for his statements.

Proposed Version - 3b

In one of his discourses in September 2019, Morari Bapu disparaged Swaminarayan. His views were challenged by members of the tradition, and Bapu later apologized for his statements.

Proposed Version - 3c

In one of his discourses in September 2019, Morari Bapu made disparaging remarks about Swaminarayan. His views were challenged by members of the tradition, and Bapu later apologized for his statements.

Proposed Version - 5 // similar to Version 3a

In one of his discourses in September 2019, Morari Bapu made derogatory remarks about Swaminarayan. His views were challenged by members of the tradition, and Bapu later apologized for his statements.

Proposed Version - 6

According to VTV and the BBC, Morari Bapu slandered followers of Swaminarayan in one of his discourses in September 2019.. He had previously refused to perform the abhisheka ritual of Nilkanthvarni, the adolescent form of Swaminarayan. Followers of the tradition challenged his views, and Bapu later apologised for his statements.

Proposed Version - 7

In one of his discourses in September 2019, Morari Bapu made some sarcastic remarks about Swaminarayan. Followers of the tradition challenged his views, and Morari Bapu later apologized and sought forgiveness for his statements.