User:MinorProphet/Draft subpages/WW2 Maybach gearboxes

NB! Read all the talk page, lots and lots to be sorted out and possibly integrated into this or the ZF article...

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This is a short list (and long explanation) of the semi-automatic, pre-selector gearboxes designed by Maybach and made under contract by ZF, fitted in German tanks and half-tracks before and during World War II. This article was created as an adjunct to List of WWII Maybach engines and User:MinorProphet/Draft subpages/WW2 ZF gearboxes.

In theory™ the list itself should be relatively short, since there were only four production-series models of this type, fitted to: the Sd.Kfz. 10 and its armoured derivative the 250; to various models of the Panzer II; the Panzer III; and Tiger I and II, and its derivatives. Indeed, what a lot of fuss for four production and seven test gearboxes, total 11 models.

As far as I am aware (hah!), only the gearbox fitted to the Panzer III up to mid-1939 suffered from major problems, and they appear to be a combination of design faults by Maybach as well as manufacturing faults by the main sub-contractor, ZF. The rest appear to have been relatively well-behaved.

All the gearboxes discussed here are of the semi-automatic, pre-selector type.

Another one...

Maybach DSG 4, fitted in schwerer Panzerspähwagen (6-rad), Mercedes 3Ga (p)

All and only Russian websites quote this gearbox, eg

https://modelist-konstruktor.com/bronekollekcziya/na-baze-trexosnogo-shassi "ТРАНСМИССИЯ: двухдисковое сухое сцепление, коробка передач Maybach DSG-4 (5+1), двойной дифференциал" + pic of driver's controls

Oswald, p. 169 "5 Gang Maybach DSG 4"

• Oswald, Werner (1970). Kraftfahrzeuge und Panzer der Reichswehr, Wehrmacht und Bundeswehr: Katalog aller Typen und Modelle. Stuttgart: Motorbuch Verlag. |url=https://vdoc.pub/download/kraftfahrzeuge-und-panzer-der-reichswehr-wehrmacht-und-bundeswehr-5l9pqrativu0

Waffen Arsenal 089, Deutsche schwere Panzerspähwagen, p. [pdf 49] "5 Gang Maybach DSG 4"

Panzer Tracts 13, Panzerspaehwagen p. 13-25 ("8 F, 2 R")

• Spielberger, Walter J. (1997). Die gepanzerten Radfahrzeuge des deutschen Heeres 1905-1945. Stuttgart: Motorbuch Verlag. ISBN 3879433372. p. [pdf. 150] "Maybach DSG Vacuum". Gears: V (vorwarts) 4 bzw. 5 mit Zusatz, R 1 bzw. 2

Also fitted in Maybach SW38 roadster, but may be "DS G 35"

https://rmsothebys.com/auctions/rk24/lots/r0202-1936-maybach-sw38-cabriolet-by-spohn/ "a remarkable DSG manual transmission, with four speeds controlled by a preselector at the center of the steering wheel and a floor-mounted shifter for the selection of low, high, and reverse gears — an arrangement that permits a total of eight forward speeds and four in reverse."

and pix: https://rmsothebys.com/auctions/rk24/lots/r0202-1936-maybach-sw38-cabriolet-by-spohn/photos

https://www.ultimatecarpage.com/spec/1388/Maybach-SW-38-Cabriolet.html

https://cars.bonhams.com/auction/23234/lot/23/1937-maybach-sw-38-special-roadstercoachwork-in-the-style-of-spohn-chassis-no-1834-engine-no-11294/ "5-Speed Maybach DS G 35 Manual Transmission"

Maybach SW42 https://www.prewarcar.com/568437-1939-maybach-sw-42-pullman-saloon-by-spohn "The SW also had the well-proven Maybach double high-speed gearbox, which was shifted without a clutch via two small levers on the steering wheel."

Also Maybach Typ W6 DSG 1934 www.wapcar.my/previous-cars/maybach/maybach-typ-w6--w6-dsg-1934, 3-speed pre-selector on the steering wheel, (with hi, lo & reverse on a floor-mounted stick?)

General operation of Maybach gearboxes

The driver pre-selects the desired gear ratio with a small lever in a quadrant, attached either to the gearbox on the driver's rh side, or on the steering wheel column. This determines the next gear ratio to be engaged. Nothing obvious happens until the clutch pedal is depressed for around one second and then released. The gears are changed smoothly with no further action by the driver. A second direction lever controls forward and reverse, with neutral in the middle.

Maybach produced three main types of semi-automatic gearbox, the SRG, VG, and OG series. These letters refer to the physical mechanism used to shift the gears.

• The SRG series used a complex arrangement of mechanical, pneumatic and hydraulic mechanisms + § Gasgeber to pre-select and shift the gears. They were very unreliable due to a number of design and manufacturing errors, leading to huge delays in the production lines of both the Panzer III and Panzer IV: and from Autumn 1939 it was decided to replace the SRG 32 8 145 in in production models of the Panzer III Ausf. E-G in favour of the manual ZF SSG 77 from the Ausf. H onwards, although Maybach continued to manufacture them until 1942? as a replacement part. When were the first Ausf. H's actually produced? October 1940?
• The existing production SRGs were renamed as VGs, although the new VG series from 1939 (eg VG 10 2 128H in the Sd.Kfz. 10 and 250) employed a simpler vacuum-operated mechanism only. This has led to some confusion, with the same gearbox being referred to as either SRG or VG, with the same numerical suffix.
• The OGs (used in the Tiger Is) were a development of the SRGs, but used hydraulic oil pressure throughout, plus the Gasgeber. These could be termed Maybach's most successful design, being fitted to all Germany's biggest tanks (and derivatives) from the Tiger I onwards until the end of the war in 1945.

A purely mechanical override system was also fitted to all these types in the event of a failure of the pneumatic or hydraulic components. This used hand levers which engaged directly with square projections on the activating pistons on the top of the gearbox. A brass plate affixed to the gearbox indicated how to engage any particular gear.

Nomenclature

See User talk:MinorProphet/Draft subpages/WW2 Maybach gearboxes#Nomenclature... for earlier research...

Maybach used a combination of letters and numbers to identify their gearboxes: e.g. 'VG 10 2 128' or 'OG 40 12 16'. In both contemporary war-time sources and recent historical works these 5- or 6-figure numbers are written in various unmeaningful combinations (e.g. 'SRG 328145' or 'SRG 328 145'); in this article they are shown for clarity as three separate groups, e.g. 'SRG 32 8 145', to correspond with the numbering of the later OG series, indicatating the power, torque and reduction ratio of the gearbox.

Main sources: Spielberger [& Doyle] (1998), Panzerkampfwagen Tiger und seine Abarten, 6th edition (in German), p. 18; and Spielberger (1994), Sturmgeschütze: Entwicklung und Fertigung der sPak, p. 37.

A) The initial letters indicate the type of internal semi-automatic gear-shifting mechanism:

• SRG=Schaltreglergetriebe ('shift control transmission')
• VG= Variorex-Getriebe
• OG = Olvar-Getriebe, form German Öl, 'oil'.

B) The numbers represent:

• 1) = 100s and 10s components of engine power (Leistung) in PS
  • Example: 14 = 140~149 PS as in § SRG 14 4 79 [NB temporarily removed all {{anchor}}s]
• 2) = 100s and 10s components of torque (Maximaldrehmoment, abbr. Md.) in mkp or mkg
  • Example: 8 = 80~89 mkg, as in § SRG 32 8 145
• 3) = total gearbox reduction ratio (i) (Gesamtsprung), leaving out any decimal point (decimal comma in German)
  • Example: 128 = 1:12.8, as in § VG 10 2 128. This figure is arrived at by a method (top gear divided by bottom gear) differing perhaps from modern practice.

However, these numbers relate to the engine for which the gearbox was originally designed. Spielberger Tiger & Abarten p. 18 says that the Olvar § OG 40 12 16 was initially developed for an engine of 400 PS output, approx. 120 mkp, and a reduction ratio of 1:16. This transmission was eventually fitted in the all the Tigers, along with the HL230 which developed 700 PS @3,000 rpm and 185 mkg @2,100 rpm.(Spielberger, Panther and variants, p. 235) An accurate reflection of this engine's capabilities would result in a theoretical OG 70 18 16 (assuming the total reduction ratio remains the same).

Similarly, late experimental models of the Panzer II n.A (neue Art) Ausf. H & M (VK 9.03), had a "strengthened" VG 15 3 19 (Table 2 below). This was fitted with an HL66 P developing 180 PS @3,200, and 46 mkp @2,000 (J&D, PzTr 2-2, p. 2-2-12). Its theoretical numbering should therefore be a VG 18 4 319 (assuming the reduction ratio wasn't changed).

Furthermore, since they omit the 1s component, the figures for power and torque are necessarily approximate: thus the 14 figure in the SRG 14 4 79 could reflect any value from 140 to 149 PS. But since they relate to the power and torque of the engine for which the gearbox was originally designed (and not necessarily the engine it was finally attached to), the figures may be essentially meaningless, only serving to distinguish one gearbox from another and don't necessarily reflect its true capabilities.

Some of the gearboxes were considerably improved during their development before reaching series production, but retained their original numbering scheme. For example, the OG 40 12 16 fitted to the Tiger was originally developed for an engine that produced approx. 400 PS and 120 mkp, but ended up being driven by the HL230, developing 700 PS and 185 mkp. Thus its designation bears little relationship to the engine it was eventually coupled with, and in theory it should have been an OG 70 18 16.

The numbering of some later transmissions may more closely reflect the capabilities of the relevant engine: eg the OG 55 11 77, used in the VK 16.02 'Leopard', with a (fuel-injected?) HL157 P which developed 550 PS @3,500 (torque unknown, could be 110 mkg, since the HL230 made 185 mkg). A reduction ratio of 1:7.7 seems a little low, but with the trend for gearboxes with fewer gears, it could be possible.

Lists of Maybach WWII gearboxes

Table 1 lists Maybach's pre-selector, semi-automatic gearboxes fitted to production series vehicles.

Maybach also made a small number of test/experimental gearboxes which never reached quantity series production, and which are listed in Table 2.

Table 1: Production series gearboxes

List of Maybach WWII series production semi-automatic gearboxes
(I said it would be short...)

Model	Gears	Application	Engine	Torque
VG 10 2 128H	7+3	Sd.Kfz. 10 and Sd.Kfz. 250 Changed to manual shifting from around July 1943.	HL42 TRKM	torque
SRG 14 4 79	7+1	Panzer II Ausf. D & E; Panzer II(Flamm.); Marder II, Sd.Kfz 132 (Panzer II Ausf. D & E chassis with 7.62 cm Pak 36(r)).	HL62 TRM	torque
SRG 32 8 145	10+1	Panzer III Ausf. E, F, G.; Gr. Panzerbefehlswagen (Sd.Kfz. 266–268) (radio command vehicles). Panzerbeobachtungswagen III (Sd.Kfz. 143) (armoured observation vehicles) Stug III 7.5 cm Kanone Ausf. A (Sd.Kfz. 145)	HL120 TR HL120 TRM	torque
OG 40 12 16	8+1	Panzer VI, Ausf. B, VK 36.01 (H) (Henschel)	HL174 450 PS @3,000 550 PS @3000	torque?
OG 40 12 16 A	8+4	Tiger I Ausf. E 'Olvar' gearbox operated by hydraulic pressure.	HL210 P45 HL230 P45	torque
OG 40 12 16 B	8+4	Tiger I Ausf. B = Tiger II = King Tiger and derivatives, e.g. Sturmtiger (18 built) Made mostly by Adlerwerke, Frankfurt/Main, and later by ZF in Waldwerke, Passau. The L 801 double radius steering gear was designed and made by Henschel.	HL230 P30	Engine torque 185 mkg

Table 2: Research/experimental/test gearboxes

The first two VG gearboxes may be renamed SRGs, depends if the engine had the gasgeber fitted. All these gearboxes were attached to similarly experimental Maybach engines. None reached production. Note that a "strengthened" VG 15 3 19 was good for 46 mkg, rather than 30-39 mkg: thus the torque capability implicit in the designation may not reflect later development, much as the power figure relates to that of the engine it was originally designed for.

List of Maybach WWII experimental semi-automatic gearboxes

Model	Gears	Application	Engine	Torque
DSRG 13 4 19	8+?	VK 6.01, early 1938 design for Panzer I Ausf. C	HL 61	40-49 mkg
VG 15 3 19	8+2	Panzer I Ausf. F (only 30 made); one only to be installed in a Panzer II Ausf. J (VK 16.02) by April 1941 Panzer II Ausf. G (VK 9.01); Panzer II n.A (neue Art) Ausf. H & M (VK 9.03) (June 1940), a "strengthened" VG 15 3 19 was good for 46 mkp.	HL45 P HL66 - only 19 made in 1940–1941	46 mkg @2000 rpm
VG 20 4 17	8+?	Panzer II Ausf. H and M - (VK 9.03) (July 1940) - tank never produced, although 2,592 were required for combat reconnaissance for 20 new panzer divisions. The 5+1 Praga-Wilson Typ CV g/box from the Panzer 38(t) n.A. (neuer Art,'new type') was apparently chosen instead. See also #Panzer II info (not important at all)	HL66	engine torque, 46 mkg @2000 rpm
OG 20 4 17	8+1(?)	NB Same numbering scheme as VG 20 4 17 above, but OG = hydraulic-only operation. Fitted to Panzer II Ausf. G (VK 90.1) Ordered in April 1941 to replace the VG 15 3 19 in earlier Panzer II G prototypes. Designed to be attached to LGL 15 319 steering unit. Good pic at Jentz & Doyle 2007b, p. 2-2-7 showing 8-speed gear lever on steering column. Another pic at [2] from Panzer II Archives.	HL66, 200 PS @3,200	40–49 mkg
OG 32 6 16	?	Proposed for MAN VK 20.02, forerunner of the Panther. A ZF SMG 91 was also proposed, although neither saw series production.	HL90 c.320 PS	c.60 mkg going by the middle 6 = 60-69 mkg
SRG 32 8 128	10	Tested in VK 30.01 (H) (early Tiger prototype), along with ZF SSG 77, and 8-speed SMG 90.	HL116, 300 PS @ 3,000 rpm.	c.80-89 mkg
OG 55 11 77	?	VK 16.02 VK 16.02 Leopard NB literally a "paper Panzer". NNB The WP article is literally stuffed full of inaccurate figures. The experimental 15.5-litre V-12 HL157 engine made 550 PS, which matches up with the g/box designation.	HL157 P	The 11 in 'OG 55 11 77' means 110-119 mkg, which sounds about right...

SRG series

Maybach HL120 TRM? engine and SRG 32 8 145 (Variorex) pre-selector gearbox, as installed in Panzer III Ausf. E–G. (should be .svg)

Overview

SRG transmissions were fitted to certain models of the Panzer I, Panzer II Ausf. D & E , and the first main production models of the Panzer III. The SRG 32 8 145 installed in the Panzer III Ausf. E-G up to mid 1939 was pretty much a disaster: A) because it was rushed into production without being fully tested: B) partially because of lack of precision and faulty assembly of the complex and intricate mechanism at outsourced factories including ZF; and C) partly because of original design faults by Maybach. These had become apparent by March 1940. Problems due to faulty assembly were usually corrected in the field, with the help of a Maybach technician who would make the new parts; and the transmissions suffering from design faults were returned to the maker, Henschel?(J&D, PZ Tr 3-2, pp. 36-38) By 1941 the faults had been ironed out, and the SRG 32 8 145 performed relatively well in Russia and North Africa.

The SRG 32 8 145 eventually used a complex combination of inter-dependent mechanical, pneumatic and hydraulic mechanisms to pre-select and shift the gears, assisted by a § Gasgeber vacuum-operated membrane valve to rev the engine. Within the transmission casing, vacuum-operated valves/pistons shifted the dog clutches, and hydraulic accelerator and braking clutches effected synchronised gear changes.(ref. Kedoki.) It's all very complex. In fact so complex that it took at least four years until c1941 to sort out.(Ref needed, probably a Panzer III book.) In consequence Maybach completely revised their gearbox model numbering scheme in 1939. The name 'SRG' was unceremoniously dropped, and the 'Variorex' name ('VG') was substituted. Thus the term 'Variorex' is used to refer to the previously-named SRG series, even in contemporary reports, leading to confusion with later VG types.

NB! This is a very typical example of putting technology that hasn't been fully tested into series production. To develop a brand new engine or transmission takes several years, at least.

Technical explanations (in Russian)

Machine translation works well with all the following lengthy and highly detailed explanations:

• Part 1: Kedoki. "О крайней упоротости Pz.III ausf.E-G. Почему Pz.III ausf.E-G упороты" [Flaws in the Panzer III Ausf. E-G]. Kedoki (in Russian). Archived from the original on 19 February 2018. Retrieved 21 April 2018. (Russian website, but machine translation is not too bad these days).
• Part 2: The extreme stubbornness of the Pz.III ausf.E-G. How the Pz.III ausf.E-G stubs (?)
• Part 3: The extreme stubbornness of the Pz.III ausf.E-G. What came of it
• Problems of production and reliability of the Pz.III ausf.E-G and their overcoming or about Ivan's extreme obstinacy NB There is little about the gearbox in this post, it's mostly a lively response to another blogger with alternative views.
• Driving the Tiger. Tank device and control principles. Part one: steering mechanism (Outside the scope of this article)

Installation in Panzer III Ausf. E, F, G

• "AFV Interiors of WW2". 2003. Retrieved 27 August 2024.

Good-ish pic of Maybach SRG gearbox on p. 58 of AFV Interiors of WW2 §§§ This actually a well-written and clear explanation of the insides of lots of German tanks. Sadly no refs, but lots of it is simply description of the photos. On pp 68-9 he states the difference between HL120 TRMs installed in Panzer III and IV: the exhausts curve upward at one end on the Pz III; on the Pz IV and associated designs they pass straight through the rear wall. The HL120 TRM manual p.4 shows shows two models, Ausf. A for the Panzer III, Stug. III etc.,, and Ausf. B for the Panzer IV , with differences with the fuel pump, oil pump, oil filter, oil reservoir, alternator, and exhausts.

Oh dear... the SRG 32 8 145

Oh dear, indeed. Fancy going to war with the transmission of your most numerous medium tank proving to be very unreliable? The Germans did. (Go to war, I mean. I imagine they they didn't fancy the prospect.) Combat reports, please... probably Panzer divisions 1,2,4...?

NB Not every gearbox exhibited signs of failure. Those that had been badly assembled tended to fail by around 800 km, and were corrected.(J&D, Pz Tr 3-2-36 to 38) In fact, the combat reports just cited for 1st and 2nd Pz Regiments give the actual chassis numbers, which can be shown to be Es and Fs, according to this table:

Total Ausf. E, F, & G made: chassis nos. (Fahrgestell Nr.) || What do J&D say in Pz Tr 23?

• E: 60401 to 60496 - total 95 (Pz Tr 3-2-5) || Yes, plus 45 Pz.Bef.Wg (J&D 23-32)
• F: 61001 to 61636 - total 635 (Pz Tr 3-2-16) || No, only 435 (not all chassis numbers were used)
• G: 65001 to 65950 - total 950 (Pz Tr 3-2-44) || No, 594+6 (ditto)

• Total Panzer III Ausf. E, F, & G made, according to (J&D Pz Tr 3-2, pp 5, 16, 44): 1,680 vehicles
• Total Panzer III Ausf. E, F, & G made, according to (J&D Pz Tr 23, p. 23-32): 680 vehicles.
• Total of earlier pre-series: A - 10; B - 10+5; C - 15; D - 30, + 30 Pz.Bef.Wg. = total 70 + 30 command tanks. (J&D Pz Tr 23, p. 23-32) This matches exactly with the figures quoted in (Spielberger, Panzer III & variants pp. 140–143)

But these figures STILL don't add up - try again, fool!

So this figure of 680 tanks now makes sense of the total number of Maybach SRG gearboxes sub-contracted and made by ZF, namely 1305 - basically ZF had to make made double the number of gearboxes than tanks, which means an average of 2 per tank, which means if they were all used, then almost every single Maybach SRG gearbox could have been replaced (in theory). Or some tanks at the start of the run of Ausf. E may have had several gearboxes... I fondly imagine that the changes made in the field to the first gearboxes with the help of Maybach technicians might have been incorporated into the later production runs...

Hmm... Possibly not - all the 40-plus Panzer IIIs left in Norway when Panzer-Division Norway was transferred to the Eastern front had those "unreliable transmissions"... User:MinorProphet/Draft subpages/Panzer Artillery Regiments, 25th Panzer Div.

In about 1937 Ernest Kniepkamp [Short biographical sketch of Kniepkamp in Spielberger, Panther tank and variants p. 230] had requested a 10-speed box for the latest Panzer IIIs (after the Versuchs series of Ausf. A–D), and Insp. 6 requested a semi-automatic transmission for inexperienced drivers & to reduce general driver fatigue.

Approximate numbers of pre-series vehicles made: - Ausf. A, 10; B, 15; C, 15; D, 30, total c70.(Spielberger Panzer III and variants, pp. 140–143)

However, even by mid-1938, Maybach's failure to deliver a single reliable working example of its new transmission was causing major delays in the first quantity series production run of the Panzer III, the Ausf. E. In fact, the whole project was a year behind schedule, and assembly of even the very first of ninety-six chassis by Daimler-Benz hadn't even begun.(Pz Tr. p 3-2-12) This batch of E-Gs was the 6. Serie Z.W.

Maybach had outsourced/licensed production to ZF. (Pz Tr. p 3-2-11) ZF reported they made 23 SRG 32 8 145 in 1938, 223 in 1939, 1015 in 1940, and 44 in 1941 (Panzer Tracts 3-02, Panzer III - Ausf. E, F, G. H, p. 3-2-11) Total: 1305 units produced.

Total PZ IIIs Ausf. with 3.7cm Kw.K gun manufactured: 603 (Pz Tr. p 3-2-12) This was all the E-F output, plus a hundred or so of Ausf. Gs (NB all the Ausf. H had the ZF SSG 77 and the 5cm KwK)

By early 1939, almost no complete tanks had been delivered, production had ground to a halt with no working transmissions available. Despite all the modifications, including the Hochtreiber or accelerator clutch, it still wasn't working by the autumn of 1939. and it was decided to install the SSG 76. Even so, the Waffenamnt was forced to "deliver over 1400 Z.W. (Zugkraftwagen) with the Maybach transmission" because a different transmission couldn't be acquired fast enough." {Jentz & Doyle. Panzer Tracts 3-2, pp. 13-14) NB! This is wrong, the real figure is 680, see next.

• Well - NB! Panzer Tracts no. 23 details all the known Panzers ever delivered, with chassis numbers and all: in the introduction J&D accept they made numerous errors in their earlier volumes, because they were not fully aware of the various complex paper-based procedures which specified the delivery/acceptance of every single tank with its chassis number (Fahhrgestell Nr.). Thus there were only 680 Panzer III Ausf. E, F, G ever made, according to Panzer Tracts 23, Panzer Production, p. 23-32.

J&D, in Panzer Tracts 3-2, detail the known delivery of a handful of early PZ III Ausf. Es to individual Panzer regiments by DB and Henschel: 2nd Pz Regiment, 2nd Panzer Division by late March 1940; 15th Pz Rgt, (formed September 1940 as part of new 15th Panzer Division, sent to Libya in 1941 as part of Afrika Korps); 33rd Pz Rgt (9th Panzer Division) by June 1940. MIAG completed 10 Ausf. Fs from September-December 1939, and 40 Ausf. Fs from April to June 1940.(J&D, Panzer Tracts 3-2, p. 3-2-18) Probably see Pz Tr 23 as well... yep, 60 altogether (Pz Tr 23, p. 23-32)

Reports with details of technical failures from 1st and 2nd Pz Regts (1st and 2nd Pz Div i fink) from March 1940 after the Polish Campaign (Panzer Tracts 3-2, p. 3-2 pp.36-8). Pz III Ausf. G mostly had the 5cm KwK, (up to 160 made with the 3.7 cm gun), 878 Ausf. Gs made (Panzer Tracts 3-2, p. 3-2-46)

NB! Pz Tr 23 corrects this figure, stating only 594+6 as the total. J&D may have counted the total chassis numbers allocated to this batch, but not all chassis were completed. Maybe a previous order for 800 was reduced to 600 somewhere?

The Ausf. H was the 7.Serie Z.W. The ZF SSG 77 gearbox was to be ready for delivery in April 1940.(Panzer Tracts 3-2, p. 3-2-68, -71) 500 built (chassis nos. 66001 to 66500). (Pz Tr 3-2-84)

• NB!! Actual numbers were 286 - I (or others) may have assumed (fatal flaw!) that all allocated chassis numbers were actually assembled: but they weren't - as Jentz and Doyle, Panzer Tracts 23, Panzer Production from 1933 to 1945, p. 23-32 shows.

Many of the gearbox faults experienced in the field were blamed on careless or faulty assembly work at the (outsourced) factories. (Which?? - ZF?) By 1941 the assembly problems had been ironed out, and gave reliable service in both North Africa and Russia,(Panzer Tracts 3-2, p. 3-2-44) but as a result of the delays the ZF's SSG 77 was fitted to the Ausf. H and onwards, from c.September 1940.

Other vehicles that used the dreaded SRG

These sections begat User:MinorProphet/Draft subpages/German Army WWII radios.

Gr. Panzerbefehlswagen (Sd.Kfz. 266–268)

FuG 8 transceiver radio operating on 20Khz frequency

These were command tanks based on Panzer III Ausf. D1, E, J and K chassis, and fitted with extra radio sets (Funkgeräte). These vehicles were generally assigned to the signals detachments (Nachtrichtenzug) of Panzer-abteilungs, -regiments, and -brigades, and later to divisions.(Pz Tr 3-4, p. 3-4-2) All the Panzer III command tanks had the bulky frame aerial fitted on the rear deck, plus an assortment of pole aerials up to 9 metres. The Sd.Kfz number indicates which radios were installed, regardless of the tank type or mark (Ausf.): the same Sd.Kfz. numbers applied to Panther and Tiger command tanks as well.

Wireless Communications of the German Army in World War II says that almost all German panzers had the FuG 5 (10 Watts VHF, 125 channels) installed as standard, for short-range tank-to-tank comms within platoons and companies.

The command tanks instead had a FuG 6 as standard, (20 Watts VHF, 125 channels) e.g. for tank platoon commanders to communicate with unit leaders. They are compatible with the FuG 5, but with greater range. The type of extra command radios fitted determined the Sd.Kfz. number (from List of Sd.Kfz. designations):

• Sd.Kfz. 266: Panzer III command tanks with FuG 6 and FuG 2* radios
  • The FuG 2* (VHF receiver only, 125 channels) also worked on the same frequency range as the FuG 5 and the FuG 6, and allowed section leaders and company commanders to listen to eg the regimental command net while talking to subordinate units at the same time.
• Sd.Kfz. 267: Panzer III command tanks with FuG 6 and FuG 8 radios (also Panthers and Tiger Is)
  • The FuG 8 (30 watts MW transceiver) was used for communication back to the regimental command post, with a much greater range (up to 140 km with telegraphy and 9-metre aerial), and compatible with reconnaissance units such as armoured cars and artillery observers. i fink.
• Sd.Kfz. 268: Panzer III command tanks with FuG 6 and FuG 7 radios (also Panthers and Tiger Is)
  • The FuG 7 (20 watts VHF) was compatible with the Luftwaffe FuG 17, used for Close Air Support (CAS) operation by Luftwaffe 'Flivo' officers in the field. It was usually used with a 1.4 metre antenna. See also Luftwaffe radio equipment of World War II#Airborne communications.
    • Details of how the close air support was actually organised seem a little thin. There was a Fliegerverbindungsoffizier or 'Flivo' who may have been in the tank, in touch with the aircraft. The Luftwaffe had their own Panzer Verbindungsoffizier, introduced by Wolfram von Richthofen during Op. Barbarossa while attacking frontier fortresses north of the Carpathians like Lemberg (Lviv) & Tarnopol. This officer with a radio accompanied the armoured columns in an AFV.
      • But see User:MinorProphet/Draft subpages/German Army WWII radios#Ground-to-air: Luftwaffe communications for lots more info. It could have been much better organised, but there was no unified command structure - Heer and Luftwaffe fought their own inter-service battles, and in the end they both lost...

However... Niehorster's German Order of Battle: 2nd Armored Division, 6 June 1944 shows the Panzer-Abteilung 310 (Fkl) (Funklenk, ie Borgward B IV) with around 32 Stug IIIs in 4 companies, and 3 Bef-Pz-III. Did they have the same radios as the Stugs, namely FuG 15, 16, and 17? How else could they communicate? Tornisters or Fu.Sprechers? they only had a limited range.

Production

Daimler-Benz made a total of 31 Ausf. D1 tanks and 45 Ausf. E; along with Henschel, 81 Ausf. J; and 50 Ausf. K. (Pz. Tr. 23, p. 23-32)

All the early Panzer III command tanks were all fitted with dummy gun tubes (Tarnrohren) up to the Ausf. J, which had a fully-traversable turret and main gun.(Pz Tr 3-4, p. 3-4-1)

Like the standard gun-armed tanks, the 30 Pz.Bef.Wg. Ausf. D1s made from March 1938 to April 1939 had the SSG 76 ZF gearbox and HL108 TR engine; and also didn't have the long-range FuG 8 radio.(Pz Tr 03-04 Panzerbefehlswagen pp. 3-4-4 & 3-4-6), (NB this is contradicted in Pz Tr 23, p. 32, where the table for 3c/Z.W line (Pz.Bef.Wg on DI chassis) states only Sd.Kfz. 267-288, indicating none were equipped with the Fug 2 radio - do I care?) The later Ausf. Js and Ks used the ZF SSG 77 gearbox.(p. 3-4-56) Pix on pp. 3-4-25 to 3-4-27.

According to Pz Tr 3-4, there were 45 Ausf. E produced of the Pz. III radio-equipped command tank, chassis nos. 60501 to 60545, from July 1939 to February 1940.(Pz Tr 3-4, p. 3-4-54) This is confirmed by Pz Tracts 23, p. 23-32. J&D don't give any stats at all for the Ausf. E, but it seems very likely that they were fitted with the Maybach gearbox like the rest of the Ausf. E-G. Until May 1941 they were known as Pz.Bef.Wg. III Ausf. B.(Pz Tr 3-4, p. 3-4-2) The Ausf. Es used the HL120 TR engine and the very troublesome Maybach SRG 32 8 145 pre-selector gearbox.

Other info: Commonly, contemporary status reports distinguish between the Pz I-based Kl. (Kleiner) Panzerbefehlswagen and the Gr. (Großer) Panzerbefehlswagen Pz. IIIs,(Pz Tr 3-4, p. 3-4-2) although many later historians & statistics don't.

Compared to the French and Russian tanks, which only had rudimentary radios or none at all, the German tank formations had a huge advantage of command and control rather than being left to fight almost single-handed. On the Eastern Front, if a Soviet commander's tank was hit the rest tended to flee or abandon their vehicles.

Panzerbeobachtungswagen III (Sd.Kfz. 143)

Similar to the Panzer III command tanks, these were mobile armoured Observation Post vehicles assigned to the new self-propelled artillery battalions in Panzer Divisions equipped with Hummel (15 cm sFH 18) and Wespe (10.5 cm leFH 18) guns from early 1943. They were introduced as a stop-gap measure while a similar vehicle based on the Panther was being developed.

They were equipped with the Fug 8 and Fug 4 radios. The Fug 4 was a receiver only, with the same Medium Wave receiver (Empfanger) "c" (Mw.E.c) on 835-3000 kilohertz as the 30-Watt Fug 8, and used the same aerial. This allowed the vehicle to report back to regimental HQ, and simultaneously listen to other Observation Posts.

The Sd.Kfz. 143 also had a FuSpr.f for the forward observer link to the battery officer. and to Sturmartillerie (self-propelled artillery) units, and to eg Sd.Kfz.251/9 – Schützenpanzerwagen (7.5 cm KwK 37 L/24); and a Torn.Fu.g (German: Tornister, backpack) dismountable radio to communicate with eg Panzergrenadier troops.

See Wireless Communications of the German Army in World War II#Armoured force communications.

A total of 262 were constructed, converted from existing standard Panzer III Ausf. F and G tanks, from February 1943 to April 1944. They had dummy gun tubes. In January 1943 two were allotted to each Wespe battery, and three per Hummel battery. They used the Maybach SRG 32 8 145 pre-selector gearbox, whose problems had been mostly sorted out by this time.

Summary of SRG series

Although the first series production model of the 6. Serie PZ III, the Ausf. E, was first scheduled to start manufacture in early 1938, by January 1939 only a very few complete tanks had been delivered: the reason being that the semi-automatic, pre-selector Maybach gearbox wasn't ready. It still wasn't ready by the time the Ausf. G was intended to have begun production. Simply stopping production of the chassis would have led to the factories doing nothing: so a reduced order of 800 Ausf. Gs down to 600 was agreed upon, delivery from March 1940 to early 1941. So it appears that the first Panzer Regiments/ Divisions equipped with Panzer IIIs fitted with the Maybach SRG/Variorex were sent into action straight away, despite the gearbox problems (eg 2nd Panzer, 9th Panzer and 15th Panzer Divisions in 1941).

Although orders for a 7. Serie Panzer III with a 5 cm gun had been placed as far back as July 1938, the continued failure of Maybach/ZF to produce any working examples of the SRG 32 8 145 led to an agreement in October 1939 that later versions (what became known as the Ausf. H) were to be produced with the tried and tested ZF SSG 76/77? gearbox.(Pz Tr 3-2-68, 76)

So it seems that only a very few Panzer IIIs must have taken part in the Invasion of Poland in 1939: and not many either in the Battle of France The Ausf. H, fitted with the already-proven ZF SSG 77 was produced from October 1940. In fact, the delay may have been due to the lack of Panzer IIIs - the IVs seem to have been better than people thought.

The relatively insane idea of putting a brand-new, almost untested transmission into the first series production of Germany's first proper medium tank must have raised eyebrows, at least.

VG series

It appears that the failure of the SRG 32 8 145 detailed above led Maybach to rename all the existing SRG gearboxes as VG (Variorex-Getriebe). Refs, dude For example, the 7-speed SRG 14 4 79 ordered in July 1937 for the rebuilt La.S.100 made by M.A.N. (Pz. II Ausf. A-C) became the VG 14 4 79 by the end of 1938 for the La.S.138 Pz II Ausf. D.(Pz Tr 2-3-6) The Maybach report from July 1936 stated that there was a "new bolted-on shifting box" for these pre-selector semi-auto transmissions. Meaning what??

Identification: If there is a VG model with the same numbers as a previous SRG, it appears to have been simply renamed. If there is no corresponding earlier SRG number (eg VG 10 2 128H) then it is one of the newer, non-hydraulic gearboxes.

A new and simplified 'VG' series appeared in 1939. For example, the VG 10 2 128H powered the half-tracks Sd.Kfz. 10 and its derivative the Sd.Kfz. 250. The hydraulic circuit for the accelerator and braking clutches and the Gasgeber mechanism of the SRG were droppped; this means (i fink) that the engine needed to be revved by the driver while changing gears, rather than automatically. Gears are shifted by a pneumatic mechanism in the top of the gearcase, which uses vacuum (negative) air pressure generated by something. WHAT??? Almost certainly not (I fink) by an Autovac attached to the compressor or compressed air tanks, although this would work. Find out! An alternative shift mechanism using positive air pressure was tested for some VG-type transmissions during the war,find ref! - (Panzer Tracts 3-2, p=12? but before p. 20 i fink) but never reached series production.

Well actually, the accelerator clutch was a later concept, [what about the braking clutch and its hydraulically-operated circuit?] so the unless the original SRG 32 8 145 already had a braking clutch, it sounds like the VG 10 2 128H operated on similar simple principles...

The gear lever is directly below the "tt" of 'Armaturenbrett', and the direction lever is left of the pointer to the 'Schaltgetriebe'

VG 10 2 128 gearbox

This is a hunt for max. torque and overall gear reduction ratio...

Found that name plate (actually a copy): Adlerwerke - Frankfurt a. M. Variorex-Getriebe. VG 102 128. Lizenz Maybach https://antikvariat.ru/catalog/plates/tablichka-variorex-getriebe-vg-102-128-h-maybach-bronevikov-sd-kfz-250-sd-kfz-252-sd-kfz-253-sd-kfz-10-tyagachey-germaniya-kopiya/

Installed in the Sd.Kfz. 10 (Manual D672/3) - PzTr 22-1-10 The NL38 TRKM is quoted as delivering 90 PS @ 2,800

It started off life as an SRG 102108 in c 1937.

In July 1937, Maybach reported on the status of transmission work on the Demag Sd.Kfz. 10 D6. Their SRG 102108 + NL38 was nearly ready for delivery - 8 for Demag, 2 to Adler with "unpolished gears" The shifting box (Schaltkasten) is mounted separately. (PzTr 22-1-8) On p. 22-1-6, there is a photo of a D LL 3 with just such an arrangement, with the box level with driver's seat back, and offset standard long gear lever. And a bloody great big cardan shaft.

For Maybach engines table: D6 (1937-8) used NL38, D7 used HL42 (apparently both 100 PS, the HL42 had a longer stroke, thus perhaps more torque...) Prototype models were LL 1, 2, 3, D4 (paper only, never made), never a D5, and D6. - p. 22-1-5 - NBB! Table on the same page is from BAOR and not reliable! eg it says the LL 3 had a ZF 4+1.

D7 was almost exactly the same as D6.

NL38 TRK, engine nos. 50001 - 50068 installed in first Demag D6. From 1 October 1938, all engines had to be able to use 74 octane (OZ 74). (PzTr 22-1-8) These engines were rebuilt with shorter pistons to lower the compression ratio - this would have reduced the max. power. NB! This applies to all engines of all sizes.

NBB! User talk:MinorProphet/Draft subpages/WW2 ZF gearboxes#Actual figures for the HL108 and HL120

Thus, NL38 TRKM (from #50069) also with shorter pistons installed in the quantity series production D7. Haha! The NL38 TRKM installed in the Sd.Kfz. 10 only produced 90 PS as a result. (PzTr 22-1-10) Really???? , -12 D 606_3 sd.kfz. 6 (5tonner) - downloadable - NL38 TUK, 100 PS @ 3,000 rpm, 25 mkg @1700 rpm argh.

• Re OZ 74: from Gasoline: "Later flight tests conducted in 1937 showed that an octane reduction of 13 points (from 100 down to 87 octane) decreased engine performance by 20 percent and increased take-off distance by 45 percent." [Weird. Text actually reads the reverse: "For large airplanes using 100 octane fuel instead of 87 and based on a 20 per cent power increase, a 45 per cent reduction in take-off distance is attained." With 1937 source.]
• "Gas and Oil in German Mechanized Vehicles"

a. Gasoline

Analysis of German yellow gasoline shows that this normally has an octane number of 74 (similar to our "regular" as sold in American service stations) or better. The chemical composition of German gasoline varies considerably. It frequently contains a rather high proportion of benzol or of alcohol, and this should result in a slightly higher consumption per mile than with our regular 72 to 75 octane gasoline."

• Aviation gasoline B-4 or blue grade was 89-octane and the C-3 or green grade was 95-octane, roughly equal to U.S. 100-octane.

NL38 TRKM were to be available from 1 October 1938 for mass production of the D7. (22-1-14) Plans to make D7s were still being made in February 1945. (22-1-14)

Lots of manufacturing details on the NL38 TRKM and SRG 102 128 H, (22-1-17.)

Aha! The H in the SRG 102 128 H stood for Hohlwelle (hollow shaft) (NB not Hohlachse), (which sounds like a sort of PTO) for "providing power to auxiliary equipment for spreaders and compressors of Sd.Kfz. 10/2 (Entgiftungskw., Chemical decontaminators) and 10/3 Spruehkw.(Poison gas sprayers)

Wiki: "The 10/2 had a significant number of differences from the standard model, including two fuel tanks totaling 86 litres (23 US gal), one of which had a tunnel to accommodate the auxiliary driveshaft which powered the spreader." (Pz Tr 22-1-39)

Change to manual shifting

The gearbox was changed from Unterdruckschaltung (vacuum-assisted shifting) to Renkschaltung (manual shifting) in the assembly plants of D7p production models of the Sd.Kfz. 250, from around July to October 1943. Instructions for this conversion were officially announced by Wa.Pruf 6 in December 1944. This tends to imply that the vacuum shifting mechanism was not as reliable as I first imagined, and pix (if any) of the new gearboxes from mid-1942 should show a manual shift lever.

This contrasts somewhat with reports by the 3rd Panzer Reconnaissance Battalion in April 1943 that only 11 transmissions needed replacing after 5 to 6,000 km: difficulty in shifting gears, two jumping out of gear. Mostly due to inexperienced drivers and frequent changes of driver. The engine in the Sd.Kfz. 250 was the HL42 TRKM with 300-watt generator driven by a fanbelt. This was very reliable - same 3rd Recce Btn. says engines didn't needed changing, even after around 10,000 km.

OG series

OG transmissions (e.g. the OG 40 12 16) were used in the Tiger I, Tiger II and all other heavy tank/tank-hunter derivatives. They used the same basic principle to actuate the semi-automatic system of valves and pistons to pre-select and shift the necessary dog clutches to change gears, but the whole mechanism works by positive hydraulic oil pressure alone. There were three distinct versions of this gearbox (original, 'A' and 'B'), listed in the table below, and perhaps explained if I can find the differences...

According to the head of Henschel's design office in 1945, the 40 12 16 B version in the Tiger II needed a minor modification from the earlier model: it only required the removal of an auxiliary drive gear [perhaps for the turret traverse drive???] from inside the transmission housing to work satisfactorily.

Gasgeber

Pic of the Gasgeber complete at Maybach HL120 TRM Parts List, part #38, [pdf p. 16 & 17].

• The Gasgeber is linked to the Hochtreiber accelerator clutch mechanism (i fink) fitted to the specified models of the PZ III and the Tigers: the Gasgeber revved up the engine and the gear train, to imitate the action of a tiger double-declutching without the driver having to do anything. (Panzer Tracts 3-02, Panzer III - Ausf. E, F, G. H, p. 3-2-13) For example, the diagram at List of WWII Maybach engines#Transmission for the Pz. III, and the Modern study of Fgst. nr 250031, p. 135, for the Tiger I.
  • It's complicated, whatevs. This forum discusses the mechanism on Tigers, plus Youtube animationand a good pic of an Olvar. Perhaps no conclusion? And this thread, same forum, lots of pics of Tiger Olvar OG 40 12 16, both original and B versions. Lots of linkages to both engine and gearbox. But nothing definite from reliable sources apart from the general principle.
    • Complex indeed. Trying to explain the principle of the Gasgeber tends to involve a complete explanation of the entire gearbox's operation. But the overview above in the second para. is fairly accurate.

The Gasgeber is a vacuum-operated, physically seperate component of the synchromesh mechanism found in some Maybach pre-selector semi-automatic gearboxen, namely some SRG and OG series. It is usually located/mounted close to the carburettor on the engine. Its purpose is to rev up the engine (slightly ?) during gear changes, in conjunction with hydraulically-operated accelerator and braking clutches of the cone type within the gearbox. The Gasgeber is part of a semi-automated gear-changing mechanism which imitates the action of double de-clutching.
While driving normally, the driver pre-selects a gear with a small lever in a quadrant. Nothing happens until the driver depresses the clutch pedal.
As the main clutch is disengaged, a vacuum (possibly generated by a Pallas Autovac?) opens a membrane or diaphragm valve and piston inside the Gasgeber. This independently opens the butterfly throttle in the Solex carburettor, to rev the engine. Simultaneously an accelerator clutch is engaged within the gearbox, which equalizes the speed of the two gearshafts. By means of a vacuum within the discrete gear selector mechanism, up to four dog clutches ('dogs') are then swiftly shifted sequentially within the gearbox as necessary, to engage the gear pinions which construct the gear train for the desired ratio.
This procedure usually also involves the automated use of the hydraulic 'braking clutch' within the gearbox, which reduces the speed of one shaft, depending on whether it is rotating faster or slower than the other (i fink).
When all the required dogs have been shifted to achieve the next desired gear ratio, hydraulic pressure to the accelerator and/or braking clutches is released: as the driver releases the clutch pedal, the main clutch is re-engaged and driving continues in the next gear. The whole process takes less than one second. Theoretically™.

Background

Gearbox/transmission

This article deals only with the shift-speed gearboxes (also 'transmissions') of the constant-mesh, semi-automatic, pre-selector type with synchromesh, designed by Maybach AG of Friedrichshafen and made by ZF and its licensed sub-contractors before and during World War II, and installed in German military vehicles up to 1945. None of these are of the manual gearbox (German: Schaltgetriebe) type.

This article generally uses the term 'gearbox' to refer to a single speed-shift mechanism (which may or may not incorporate a main clutch), connected to the engine by a drive shaft (Gelenkwelle). In half tracks etc. this main speed-shift gearbox is often coupled with a second 2-speed reduction (hi-lo) gearbox, NO!!! either externally, or integrated within the main gearcase. NO AGAIN!!! There are various possible configurations.

Tanks: 
  Engine at rear - drive shaft - clutch + gearbox by driver - final drives at front (Pz IV)
  Engine at rear + clutch - drive shaft - gearbox by driver - final drives (Pz III H+)

Half-tracks: 
  Engine in front + clutch - gearbox + hi-lo - drive shaft - final drives behind driver
  Engine in front - etc.
  

Although the term is not used in the following sense in this article, 'transmission' in both British and US English can be used to refer to the entire mechanism by which power is transmitted from the engine to the road wheels (or drive sprockets in a tank or half-track). This may include a drive shaft (or propellor shaft, commonly called a 'prop shaft'), a clutch, the main shift-speed gearbox itself, further speed reduction gearboxes (popularly called hi-lo boxes), differentials, steering gear (Lenkgetriebe), braking systems, etc. None of these are discussed in any detail in this article, except for the following section.

Clutches

Various clutch (Kupplung) mechanisms were used, often incorporated within the main gearcase. These may include: dog clutches (Klauen??) or simply 'dogs', which engage specific meshing gear pairs on a gear shaft (German: Getriebwelle) to construct a desired gear ratio; accelerator and braking clutches (either of the cone or multi-plate type) which speed up or retard specific gear shafts (Getriebwelle) to assist a noiseless synchromesh (Synchrongetriebe) operation, often just called 'synchro': and a multi-plate main clutch (Hauptkupplung), either of the wet or dry clutch type to engage or disengage the entire gearbox from the engine. These are all discussed further in the article.

Soden transmission

Soden transmission section cut and pasted to User:MinorProphet/Draft subpages/WW2 ZF gearboxes#Soden gearbox...

Basic ASCII diagrams for Variorex VG 10 2 128

See also User:MinorProphet/Draft subpages/WW2 ZF gearboxes#Soden gearbox et seq. NB! Fix link whenevs, maybe {{anchor}}?

Consolidate with above...

The pins (one per gear) are held in place - by spring pressure when selected. When the clutch is depressed, a mechanically opened valve allows a vacuum into the pneumatic system. All the pistons are retracted by vacuum (i fink); the drilled control shaft rotates into its pre-determined position; the relevant pin or pins locate into the relevant hole in the drilled shaft by spring pressure; and selector forks attached to the pistons slide one or more dog clutches, to engage the next pre-selected gear train. Releasing the clutch pedal after about one second re-enages the clutch, and restores power to the final drive. A locking mechanism holds the main selector shaft in place until the next gear is pre-selected by the shift lever. Or something.

See again Kedoki, but he's talking about the SRG 32 8 145 in the Panzer III.

   | |= O Pin (left) and drilled selector rotor shaft (right)
  _|_|__________
 |______________| Pneumatic valve and piston. → Spring pressure to engage
   | |                                        ← Disengaged by vacuum
    \ \    Selector fork to slide dog clutch
     \ \

  Fig. X. Side view of selector valves in Variorex VG 102 128

Further development of semi-automatic gearboxes

Venturi effect in a carburettor, sort of

I still haven't quite worked out how the vacuum was achieved. The Leichttraktor apparently used a de:Pallas Autovac-style autovacuum device,, but since the Soden transmission was entirely mechanical in operation more thought is needed. The Mercedes-Benz-Maybach 3x2 gearbox in the WO 7 used the partial vacuum in the inlet manifold:

"In 1930/1931 Mercedes announced a sports car with a 7.7 litre supercharged straight-eight, with a special Mercedes-Benz-Maybach multiple-range gearbox giving six speeds. The change is effected by the employment of the partial vacuum in the inlet manifold, controlled from the steering wheel." Possibly the Mercedes-Benz 770 or Großer Mercedes."

"The transmission represented a special feature, as an overdrive [on all three gears] could also be selected in addition to the usual three forward gears [fore-and-aft gear lever mounted directly on the gearbox], making a total of six forward gears available. The overdrive was preselected via a lever on the steering wheel, and activated by briefly decelerating without pressing the clutch. The same method was used for shifting down. Throughout the entire construction period the ‘Super Mercedes’ of model series W 07 had the two final-drive ratios i = 4.5 and i = 4.9 at its disposal."

See also driving tips from a 1932 Mercedes manual.

Stunning pic of polished aluminium gearbox:

Licensing in Britain: Pages from the Commercial Motor

OKKK

Maybach#1909–1940: Early history says this:

"Maybach had a British subsidiary, Maybach Gears Ltd, that specialised in gearboxes. In 1938, in conjunction with Dr Henry Merritt, they produced a gearbox and steering system – the 'Merritt-Maybach' – for the abortive Nuffield A.16E1 Cruiser tank design."

So, I happen to have this book, and

C:\_Mikey D's Old Documents\Downloads\__Military\_Tiger_Tank_Haynes_manual\11.jpg

is the page.

But is it the same gearbox? Check the specs for whatever was used in the Tiger and the Nuffield - 7, 8, 10 gears??

C:\_Mikey D's Old Documents\Downloads\__Military\Tank_Steering_Systems.pdf says 7.

Next... MinorProphet (talk) 21:16, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Haynes: "Workshop Manual: Tiger Tank Panzerkampfwagen VI Ausf. E (Sd.Kfz. 181)"

...patent No. 341,379, by the Maybach-Motorenban GeselLschaft A Six-speed Gear 17th February 1931, Page 80 ...patent No. 341,379, by the Maybach-Motorenban GeselLschaft,

"..the Vomag six-wheeler, for example, has a 12-cylindered Maybach unit of 150 b.h.p., the capacity being close upon eight litres," Pointers from the Berlin Show 24th February 1931, Page 56

A London Bus Trial of the Maybach Gearbox 10th May 1932, Page 38

New Maybach Multi-speed Preselective Gearbox 14th August 1936, Page 27

"MAYBACH GEARS, LTD. 311 This company will show its preseiective multi speed gearbox which, with four pairs of constant-mesh gears, provides seven forward speeds. the seventh gear being overdrive and the sixth direct. Its weight is no more than a normal four-speed box, with a total height of only 10 1/4? ins. The gear control is vacuum-operated. Lincoln House, 296-302, High Holborn, London, W.C.1. [3] 29th October 1937

In 1935 the sole agent in Britain for Maybach was Ernst Schneider, who hoped to market/sell a six-speed automatic gearbox for tanks. Maybach Gears Ltd. was incorporated in February 1936 with capital of £10,000. The Managing Director (Geschäftsführer) was Jean Raebel, and a licence to make Maybach gearboxes for GB, Ireland, colonies and Dominions was agreed in March 1936. In November 1936 Leyland Motors acquired a sub-licence to make the gearboxes, and Dennis Bros. in February 1937. However, the worsening political situation meant that by December 1938 the Germans were having serious doubts, and in June 1939 the OKH told Maybach-Motoren to rescind the licences.

Raebel became quite important within M-M, see eg pp. 205ff, section 11.3 "Nachbau", all about setting up a clone factory in Lochbrücke near Friedrichshafen, also the Kommission sent to the front to examine the problem of spare parts etc.

External links

• Трансмиссия Tiger B и принципы механизма OLVAR by Kedoki. Technical discussion of the Olvar gearbox with pix and diagrams (in Russian)

Even more stuff - move to Talk:Maybach engines?

Spielberger List of tank engines: PzKw Tiger und Abarten, p. 209

Name  cyls bore*stroke litres  PS  @  rpm  - My own notes

HL10    2  100 *  70    1.099   70   5000 - injected, supercharger unit for HL234
HL30    4   85 * 110    3.119  113   3500
HL33    4  100 * 106    3.330  120   4000
HL42                 OK
HL45                 OK
HL50    6  100 * 106 	 4.995  180   4000
HL54                 OK
HL62                 OK
HL66    6  105 * 130    6.754  180   3,200
SHL66P             ditto       125   2,200
HL87    6  125 * 130    9.572  180   2,400
HL90/100                                   - conflation of two different engines
HL92    6  120 * 135    9.16   100   2,400
HL101  12  105 * 115   11.949  510   3,800 - injected, NB note name & capacity
HL116   6  125 * 150   11.044  265   3,000
HL140   6  140 * 150   13.854  250   2,400
HL148   6  140 * 160   14.778  260   2,400
HL150G  6  150 * 160   16.964  320   3,400 - J&D say 150*150, 400 PS - see Summary above
HL157  12  115 * 125   15.58   550   3,200  - *
HL174  12  125 * 130   19.144  450   3,000  - NB note name & capacity
HL210  12  125 * 145   21.353  650   3,000  - actual production engine...
HL224  12          ditto       600   3,000
HL232  12  130 * 145   23.095 1100   3,000 - injected, supercharger still testing **
HL233  12          ditto                   - all 230 series used same cylinder
HL234  12          ditto       800   3,000 - 940 PS on the test bench by the end of 1944
R234   12          ditto       600   2,800 - diesel, used HL25 R diesel supercharger
 
*  550 PS @3,500 rpm (Pz. Tracts 20-2, pp. 20-66 & 20-94). Proposed for 'Leopard' 
** Up to 1,200 PS with the 4-cyl 1.06 litre HL11 (60 PS @6,000 rpm)

Notes

More Maybach HL and NL engines

Sooo... For List of WWII Maybach engines:

• Re-write List of WWII Maybach engines#HL234 as [List of WWII Maybach engines#Further HL230 development] with info below, w/refs, as if...
• Make new section ==Non-series fuel-injected gasoline and diesel engines==
• Create Table 3 for ===Non-series fuel-injected gasoline and diesel engines=== with data + notes from tables below.

Source for following table: Maybach motorliste. Licence: CC BY-NC-SA 4.0 Deed, Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 4.0 International

I have made a number of changes to the original table cited above. Sadly there are no refs at all for this list. Some info may be incorrect. The dates are very useful, and conveniently distinguish the first generation motors with cast iron blocks up to around 1938, ending with the HL108; the five second generation engines with aluminium alloy blocks, of which the HL45, HL66 and HL210 were installed in production vehicles; and the later high-revving wartime designs ('new concept') with fuel injection, none of which saw series production.

The HL90, HL101, HL150 and HL174 have capacities up to a couple of litres more than their designation suggests. Why?

Add row colours for: production engines (live article Table 1); test/research engines (live article Table 2); and others not even proposed for AFVs. Add at least one more column for fuel type (carburettor, fuel injection, diesel): perhaps another for cast iron/alloy block.

Well, here's Zima again in 2021, w.a.f. who gives the bore & stroke of the following: NL35, NL38, HL42, HL49, HL52, HL54, HL57, HJL62(??), HL66, HL85, HL98, HL108, HL120. However, Zima gives the dimensions of the HL57 as 105 * 120 mm (resulting in 6.234 litres, which are the dimensions and capacity of the HL62 - which is furthermore mis-spelled as HJL 62), whereas the much more likely 100 * 120 mm gives 5.655 litres, almost the exact capacity of the HL57 given the model number. Hmm. MinorProphet (talk) 00:31, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Plus check out HL85 and the HL85 manual, through which I somehow decided that Maybach used π= 355÷113: but I may be wrong, as usual. MinorProphet (talk) 06:13, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

• Treue, Wilhelm; Zima, Stefan (2021) [1992]. Eckermann, Erik (ed.). Technikpionier Karl Maybach - Antriebssysteme, Autos, Unternehmen. [Originally published as Hochleistungsmotoren - Karl Maybach und sein Werk, by Zima & Treue] (in German) (3rd ed.). Wiesbaden, Germany: Springer. ISBN 978-3-658-25118-5.

HL295 stats in Zima 2021 p. 373 + pic with 4-cylinder HL11 (29.541 cm3 per cylinder)

More figures re wartime production:

"Von Maybach selbst und seinen Lizenznehmern, die also den »Nachbau« betrieben – zu ihnen gehörten fast alle namhaften deutschen Automobilhersteller – wurden von diesen Motoren bis zum Kriegsende insgesamt 130.000 (nach anderer Quelle 140.000) Stück abgeliefert, davon

• 45.000 Stück 300-PS-Motoren und
• 14.000 Stück 700-PS-Motoren,
• ferner 30.000 Getriebe,
• davon etwa 4.000 für eine Übertragungsleistung von 700 PS." although it's actually Treue, chapter= "Im Zweiten Weltkrieg 1939 bis 1945".

Map and list of dispersed Maybach sites near Friedrichshafen:

Also, although the the Leitmeritz tunnels had been earmarked for dispersed manufacture of HL230 by Auto Union, its Siegmar Werke was bombed on 11 September 1944 and the dispersal was minimal. Apparently Allied intelligence wasn't aware that Siegmar was making Maybach engines. The Maybach plant was attacked in April 1944, and if Siegmar had been hit at the same time, an estimated 2,000 engines would have been denied to the Wehrmacht over four or five months.

Source for following table: Maybach motorliste. Licence: CC BY-NC-SA 4.0 Deed, Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 4.0 International

Table 1 - List of many Maybach engines

Maybach S5 - b&s = 94 * 168 = 6.995 l; torque 42 mkg @ 1200 rpm (from graph), p. 19

80 PS @ 1400 rpm, 100 PS @ 1800. (p. 7)

Pioniergerät. Motorboot und Anhängher (1 achs.) Sd.Anh. 13 für Motorboot vom 30.6.34 (PDF). Berlin: Kunstdruck Friedrich Lange. 1940. p. 19

Source for following table: Maybach motorliste. Licence: CC BY-NC-SA 4.0 Deed, Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 4.0 International. This appears to be taken from Zima, but is un-reffed. There are many errors in the original table which I have attempted to correct, including silent/hidden corrections, based on List of WWII Maybach engines#Lists of Maybach engines. There are several experimental engines in this following table which do not appear in the live lists: these seem to have been developed internally by Maybach, and not to have been officially ordered for any production or experimental AFVs.

NB: Blue links in the l.h. 'Engine' column take you to the relevant entry in List of WWII Maybach engines with proper refs.

Majority of Maybach engines 1935-1950?

Engine	Power (PS)	@ rpm	bore/ stroke	Capacity (litres)	Cylinders	Year	Notes
HL10	70	5000	100 * 70	1.099	I-2	1944	fuel injection, auxiliary supercharger for HL232
Auxiliary motor to run the supercharger on HL232. NB Not a 'pup' for starting main engine'.
HL11	60	6000	75 * 60	1.06	I-4	1944	fuel injection, auxiliary supercharger for HL232
HL25	65	2800		2.54	I-4	1936
Applications: Pre-production Sd.Kfz. 10 D4
HL25 R				2.54	I-4	1943	Diesel, auxiliary supercharger for HL232 R
SHL25	60			2.54	I-4	1937
HL28	100	3500	90 * 110	2.79	I-4	1937
SHL28	65			2.79	I-4	1936
HL30	100	3500	95 * 110	3.11	I-4	1939	Aluminium alloy block
HL33	120	3500	100 * 106	3.328	I-4	1942	fuel injection
HL35	140				I-6	1935
NL35	90	3000	90 * 90	3.435	I-6	1935
NL38	100	3000	90 * 100	3.817	I-6	1935
HL38	140	4500No!!	90 * 100	3.817	I-6	1936
HL42	100	3000	90 * 110	4.198	I-6	1938	Notes
NL42	100	3000	90 * 110	4.198	I-6	1935
HL45	150	3000	95 * 110	4.678	I-6	1939	Aluminium alloy block
HL49	115				I-6	1936
HL50	180	4000	100 * 106	4.995	I-6	1942	fuel injection
HL52	120	2800	100 * 110	5.184	I-6	1934
HL54	115	2600	100 * 115	5.419	I-6	1937
HL57	130	2600	100 * 120	5.698	I-6	1935
HL61	130	2600			I-6	1938
HL62	140	2600	100 * 130	6.126	I-6	1935
SHL62	125	2200	100 * 130	6.126	I-6	1937
HL64	140	2600			I-6	1942
HL66	180	3200	105 * 130	6.754	I-6	1941 - 1943	Aluminium alloy block
SHL66	125	2200	105 * 130	6.754	I-6	1939
HL67	176 No!! Yes, diesel version	3500	100 * 106	6.660	V-8 NB!!	1942	fuel injection - diesel version also tested.
HL68	150	3000		6.75	I-6	1938
HL76	180- 200	rpm	x*y	cap.	cyls?	1937
HL85	185	2600	95 * 100	8.505	V 12	1938
HL87	280			8.7	I-6	1941	Diesel
HL90	360	4000	100 * 106	9.990	V 12	1941	fuel injection - a possiblity - orig. table states 3,500 rpm.
HL95	230			9.57	V 12	1938
HL98	230	2600	95 * 115	9.782	V 12	1938
HL100	300	3000	100 * 106	9.990	V 12	1934 ?
HL100	400	4000	100 * 106	9.990	V 12	1943	fuel injection, predecessor of HL 101
HL101	510 / 700	3800		11.9	V 12	1944	fuel injection, also a supercharged version; diesel version also tested, 300 PS???
HL108	230	2600	100 * 115	10.838	V 12	1938
HL109	230			10.83	V 12	1943
HL116	300	3000	125 * 150	11.048	I-6	1938	Aluminium alloy block
HL120	300	3000	105 * 115	11.949	V 12	1936
SHL120	300	3000	105 * 115	11.949	V 12	1937
HL140	250			13.84	I-6	1939	Diesel
HL150	400	3400	150 * 150	15.904	I-6	1939
HL157 P	550	3500		15.58	V 12	1942?
HL174	550	3000	125 * 130	19.144	V 12	1940	Aluminium alloy block?? Definitely not a diesel.
HL190 P	400			18.99	V 12	1939
HL210	650	3000	125 * 145	21.353	V12	1942 - 1943	Aluminium alloy block
HL211			125 * 145	21.353	V12	1938+	Diesel version of HL210
HL224	600	3000	125 * 145	21.353	V 12	1940	Aluminium alloy block
HL230	700	3000	130 * 145	23.095	V 12	1943 - 1945	Cast iron block, last wartime production engine
HL232	1,000 / 1,200		130 * 145	23.095	V 12	1944	fuel injection, supercharged with either HL10 or HL11
HL232 R			130 * 145	23.095	V 12	1943	Diesel, supercharged with diesel HL25 R
HL232 RT			130 * 145	23.095	V 12	1943	Diesel with turbocharger
HL234	900		130 * 145	23.095	V 12	1944	fuel injection, without supercharging
HL235			130 * 145	23.095	V 12	1949
HL280	700				V 12	never	Almost certainly a misprint for HL230
HL295	1000	2800	140 * 160	29.556	V 12	1945	fuel injection, without supercharging
HL320	600		145 * 160	31.705	V 12	1937
HL337 RT	1000	2400	145 * 170	33.686	V 12	1947	Diesel turbo
HL338 RT	1000	2400		33.686	V 12	1947	Diesel turbo

Calculated number of rows in above table using {{table row counter|id=Table1|ignore=5}} = 61.

Later engines

German tank motor for promising French tanks Yuri Pasholok, 10 March 2024 with plans of AMX-50 with HL295

Machine trans: "Diesel engines HL 337 RT and HL 338 RT were also developed for the French during this period, both developed 1000 hp at 2400 rpm, but the matter did not go further than the prototypes."

In total, 10 HL 295s manufactured, and at the end of the work under the AMX 50 program, it was “strangled” up to 850 hp, clearly for a reason... Such an engine stands in the AMX 50B prototype, which is located in the Tank Museum of the city of Saumur. The only available Maybach HL 295 is located in the Military-Technical Museum, Koblenz, Germany.

Table 2 - Diesel Maybach engines

Diesel engines:

• HL87
• HL140
• HL174 (No!?)
• HL 211 with same cylinder dimensions as the HL210,
• HL232 R, supercharged
  • with auxiliary diesel power unit HL 25 R.
• HL232 RT with a turbocharger.

Diesel versions of the HL67 and HL101 were also tested, developing 176 and 300 PS respectively with 4-valve heads and different shaped piston crowns.

Diesel engines

Engine	Power (PS)	rpm	bore/ stroke	Capacity	Cylinders	Year	Notes
HL25 R							Diesel
Auxiliary diesel power unit for supercharged diesel HL232 R

Table 3 with colours

Test table with extra column

Engine	Power (PS)	@ rpm	bore/ stroke	Capacity (litres)	Cylinders	Year	Notes	Fuel	Block
HL42	100	3000	90 * 110	4.198	I-6	1938	Notes	Gas	Cast
HL100	400	4000	100 * 106	9.990	V 12	1943	predecessor of HL 101	F

• Estes, Kenneth W. (2018). German Heavy Fighting Vehicles of the Second World War. From Tiger to E-100. Fonthill. ISBN 978-1-78155-646-7.

• Spielberger, Walter J. (2008). Halftracked Vehicles of the German Army 1909-1945. (Originally published as die Halbketten-Fahrzeuge des Deutschen Heeres 1909-1945). Illustrated by Hilary L. Doyle and Uwe Feist. Translated by Edward Force. Atglen, Pa: Schiffer Military History. ISBN 978-0-7643-2942-5.

Troubleshooting HL210/230 problems on Eastern Front

Source: Ing. Walter Häring

Hidden Source text §

»As is well known, all tracked vehicles (tanks and semi-tracked train machines) were equipped with Maybach engines and the mass of these vehicles with Maybach gearboxes when upgrading the Wehrmacht. With the large number of fully motorized units, it was necessary to support the workshop companies of these tank regiments by qualified fitters/engineers from the Maybach-Motorenbau factory, with their tasks limited to engines and gearboxes. In addition, with the introduction of Panzer III (the standard tank of the Wehrmacht) not only were these vehicles installed with the 300 PS HL120 engine, but also with a semi-automatic vacuum-controlled ten-speed transmission developed by Maybach with semi-automatic gear shifting (Variorex) were [Fig. 11.23]. Hahaha inded.

In contrast to the troops near the front line who could only carry out quick repairs (including engine and transmission swaps) and remove minor defects, the workshop plants behind the front [Fig. 11.27 and 11.28] made the main repairs, including complete overhaul of engines and gearboxes. In this repair service, specialists were represented by all companies, such as fitters, foremen and assembly inspectors. These men were also looked after by their companies, so that a smooth repair service was guaranteed.

In addition, special fitters were assigned to the troops who were also equipped with Maybach gearboxes, [i.e. Panzer battalions equipped with the dreaded Panzer III Ausf. E–G] because only they could help with problems concerning the gear shifting mechanism. The field repair service worked thanks to the support of the Wehrmacht service responsible, especially the General Inspector of the armored troops, Heinz Guderian.

The main problems on the engines were initially the oil leaks from the crankshaft and fan drive gear due to the high overpressure in the crankcase. The result was vehicle fires. As more engines arrived (also in the Panther tank, where the HL230 was also installed), the fractures of connecting rods also increased. It took a long time for me to determine the cause in Russia.

In the case of fully refuelled vehicles, the maximum fuel level in the tank was significantly higher than the carburetor float. With leaky float valves, the fuel then ran straight into the cylinder (with a 12-cylinder engine, some inlet valves are always open.) When the engine was started, so-called hydraulic lock (Flüssigkeitsschläge) occurred, and the weakest part, the connecting rod, bent and broke after a very short engine run [ie a few seconds]. The gear ratio between the starter motor and the flywheel starter ring gear was so high that the starter turned the engine over without a warning sign. [i.e. the resultant torque overcame the excessive compression caused by the cylinder containing neat gasoline.]

We created a remedy by introducing a valve activated by engine oil pressure into the fuel supply line before the carburettors (four double-barrelled carburettors per engine), i.e. when the engine was stopped, there was no oil pressure and therefore no fuel flow. After these realisations there were no more engine problems apart from normal wear.

My impression of the development level of the Maybach engines compared to the engines of our opponents at the time was that the engines of the Maybach factory were greatly superior. A big disadvantage, however, was that we had far too few tanks. This had the result (which I experienced myself) that a combat unit collected Russian T-34 tanks, repaired them and then used them with German markings against the Russians.

The replacement of spare parts worked on the whole, even if there were also a number of bottlenecks in production or transport due to bombing strikes. Everything that had to do with armored production and the supplies was primary. By relocating many important production facilities to little or non-endangered areas, ongoing production and supply was guaranteed. «

Ing. Walter Häring

Really?

Well, the fuel problem and its solution certainly sounds technically possible, but how does it match up with 'reality'? Tiger - a Modern Study of Fgst-nr-250031 by The Research Squad has a couple of similar diagrams, pp. 83 & 205: and apart from never identifying the main fuel pump (may be the primer pump only fitted to the HL210), there is no obvious mention of this oil pressure-activated valve, nor is it clear how the fuel might arrive in the inlet manifold without going through an electric or mechanical pump. Hmm.

• Further investigation shows that this problem only existed on the HL230 because of the return line which wasn't fitted to the HL210. See below.

The Haynes Owner's Workshop Manual on pp. 42–43 shows a petrol tap on the rear bulkhead of the fighting compartment, but the Research Squad don't mention it at all. Also pics on Haynes p. 91. And the source of the nonsense about the 'TRM' letters is to be found on Haynes pp. 96 and 97, reproduced as fact all over the web. Blithering assholes.

Also, minimum revs of 1900 rpm to change gear with Olvar, otherwise there is insufficient pressure to acrivate the mechanism.(Haynes, p. 106) Haynes p. 105 says that the knob by the gear change quadrant is the parking brake knob, Research Squad says it enables neutral turns.

Aha! The fuel pump(s) are shown on Haynes p. 102, and is/are driven off the shaft for the magnetos at the bottom of the engine, diagram on p. 101. The two levers in the fighting compartment are just like on a motorbike: off, main and reserve tanks with a long and a short pipe in the reserve tank.

I remember somewhere reading about failing rubber membranes or diaphrams and faulty fuel pumps. If either membrane in the pump failed, it would not work.

And looking at the diagram of the fuel system on p. 101: Aha! Fuel goes from the pump up to the carbs, and any excess is apparently returned to the top of the rhs main tank. If the tank is filled right up to the very brim of the filler cap, this could easily be the cause of the fuel entering the inlet manifold directly and open inlet valves as per Walter Häring in (Treue & Zima 2021, pp. 196–7). But there is no primer circuit on the HL230, all fuel only goes to the carbs, and not to the inlet manifold directly. Still no further.

But there is no oil pressure-activated valve shown, just a T-junction. Further hmms.

Differences between HL210 and 230 fuel systems

Tiger

• HL210: (Research Squad, p. 83)
  • 2 fuel changeover valve/cocks in fighting compartment, 1 per side
  • Electric 'priming pump' with filter - almost certainly the main pump, there's nothing else.
  • 4 mechanical cam + plunger fuel pumps with bowl filters, 2 feeds to each pair of carbs
  • Cold start pump with manual up & down knob, fuel is squirted into the inlet manifold, bypassing the carbs completely.

• HL230: (Haynes, p. 101)
  • 2 fuel changeover valve/cocks in fighting compartment, 1 per side
  • Single large fuel filter with washable/replaceable 'double mesh disc'
  • Mechanical fuel pump (p. 102), single feed to all carbs
  • T-junction just before carbs, return line for excess fuel into top of RHS main tank.

Panther and all derivatives inc. Tiger II

??

Determining actual engine capacity - at last

Zima 2021 p. 375 gives the volume of a single cylinder of the HL85 as 0.708 litres, from bore * stroke 90 * 100. Multiplying by 12 cylinders gives 8.496 litres. But how on earth did he (he's no longer with us) arrive at this figure?

π = 8.496 * 4,000,000 (=33,984,000) / (95² (= 9025) * 100 * 12 = 10,830,000 = 3.137950... which is far too small a value, and in any case 8.496 litres is not what the manual states, namely 8.520 litres. See Manual in German

He also states the HL108 dimensions as 110 * 115, with one cylinder having 0.903 l, thus giving 10.836 l. But this is very close to taking π as 355/113 which I calculated as 8.838 litres, much closer than the weird figure for the HL85. Will I have to re-calculate the lot? Yep, probs.

I have been using π=355/113, thus π/4 = 0.78539823. Infobox π/4 = 0.78539816.

Zima 2021, table on p. 375:

• NL35, I-6: 90 * 90, 0.572 l, therefore 0.572 * 6 = 3.432 litres
  • My calc of 1 cyl = π/4 = 0.78539816 * (90² [=8190] * 90 [= 729000]) / 1,000,000 = 0.572 555 258 64 which I might call 0.573, rounding up, which gives 3.438 litres... yech
  • My calc of total capacity = 0.78539823 * (90² (=8190) * 90 * 6) / 1,000,000 = 3.435 litres
    • Even if you use Infobox π/4 = 0.78539816, the answer is still 3.435
  • My calc of his π = 3.432 * 4,000,000 (=13,728,000) / (90² (=8190) * 90 * 6) = 4,374,000 = 3.138545953... to 10 decimal places

• NL38, I-6: 90 * 100, 0.636 l, therefore 0.636 * 6 = 3.816 litres using infobox π/4 = 0.78539816. My live table, using π = 335/113 gives 3.817 litres, so that's all good and highly consistent.
  • My calc of 1 cyl = π/4 = 0.78539816 * (90² [=8190] * 100 [= 729000]) / 1,000,000 = 0.636 172 5096 litres, spot on-ish.
  • * 6 cylinders = 3.817 035 0576 litres, my original calc for Table 1.
  • BUT My calc of his π = 3.816 * 4,000,000 [=15,264,000] / (90² [=8190] * 100 * 6 [= 4,860,000]) = 3.1407 407... which is suspiciously like 3.14 - but it doesn't matter, because losing the high-precision decimal places throws everything else into confusion.

• NL42, I-6, 90 * 110, 0.699 litres, * 6 cyls. = 4.194 litres. The HL42 manual states 4 198 cm³. This is the manufacturer's stated capacity, which I why originally thought Maybach used 355/113:
  • Maybach's π = 4.198 (manual) * 4,000,000 (=16,792,000) / (90² (= 8100) * 110 * 6 (= 5,346,000) = 3.1410400299289188178077066965956 which is much much better, but nowhere near 355/113 = 3.141592920...
  • My calc of 1 cyl with infobox π/4 = 0.78539816 * 90 * 90 * 110 / 1,000,000 = 0.699 789 7605 which multiplied by 6 = 4.198 738 563 which is also spot on Maybach's value... ????
  • Even using Zima's 0.699 * 6 = 4.194 (=16,776,000) / 5,346,000, Zima's π = 3.138 047 1380

So............ If you work everything out using infobox π/4 = 0.78539816, and high precision for 1 cylinder, (eg 10 decimal places, I don't want to get dragged into signifcant places), and use only 3 decimal places (also non-significant) for the total capacity of 6 cylinders, you get to Maybach's value of 4 198 cc. Which is what I'm looking for. MinorProphet (talk) 10:57, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Resolved

Notes

References

Panzer II info (not important at all)

• According to the contents page of Spielberger, Walter J. (1974). Die Panzerkampfwagen I und II und ihre Abarten (in German). Illustrated by Hilary L. Doyle and Uwe Feist. Motorbuch Verlag Stuttgart. ISBN 3879433356., the Panzer II was produced with variants in the following order: Prototypes: Ausf. a1-3, b1-3; main production series A, B, C, F. D, E; G1, G2, G4, J, H, M, n.A. (neue Art, new type), L (Luchs); Leopard (a 'paper panzer'). In a separate category: Pz II (F) Flamm on A & B. How do Jentz and Doyle put it?

...plus stuf about other tanks:

Good pix of the rear end of ZF AK 7-200, AFV Interiors of WW2 pp 146-7. Pic on p. 158 of the AK 7-200, saying it was also a pre-selector - you can see the typical round selector cover at top right. "The syncromesh only works when the engine rpm is between 2000 and 2300, or when changing down at a lower rpm." Says the steering system was far too weak to cope with the torque (200 mkp) of the engine and gearbox. "The double-spur reduction gears and their mounts were far too small and weak to handle the torque they controlled. This was because the Germans did not have sufficient numbers of milling machines to make the proper gearing, and as a result, many Panthers were lost when these gears, or their mounts, failed." Really? Sounds possible (AFV Interiors of WW2, pp. 153-4) The big tubes leading to the rear of the gearbox aren't for water (as I thought) but air ducts which removed heat and smell into into the engine compartment.

Aha! Major causes of engine fires in the Panthers etc.:
1) "Interestingly, the original amphibious design of the tank's engine compartment was to provide one of its worst problems- engine fires. The restricted air flow in the engine compartment [the originally specified Schnorkel apparatus was later removed, but cooling space in the engine compartment was not improved] allowed fumes to accumulate, primarily due to leaky hose connections and fuel tank seam failures. Any hot components or sparks would then cause catastrophic engine fires, disabling and often destroying numbers of Panthers before they reached the battle field." (AFV Interiors of WW2, p. 160)
2) "Although most of these problems had been resolved by the time the Jagdpanther went to war, there were still numerous engine fires reported, some caused by leaky cylinder head gaskets allowing oil to drip on the exhaust headers. For some reason, German gasket technology was not well developed and it would affect both airplane and automotive designs."

"The predominate color of the engine components (block and cylinder covers) is gloss black, a favorite at the Maybach assembly plant, but much of the additional equipment from subcontractors can be black, metallic or even red, as was the case with some of the electric starters from Bosch." (AFV Interiors of WW2, p. 161)

Panzer III strengths in Polish Invasion and Battle of France, May-June 1940

Derived from #SRG series

According to Jentz's ''Panzertruppen'' vol. 1, p. 88, there were 87 Panzer IIIs serving with the main field army, and 11 with the reserves at the start of the Polish Campaign, September 1939. And 197 Panzer IVs. The Organisational tables on pp. 90-91 show that the vast majority were allocated to the 1st & 2nd Panzer Regiments, together forming the 1st Panzer Division. Other divs. had literally about 3 per regiment, on paper. On p. 92 Jentz says that very few Panzer IIIs were available, Pz Div 4 had none at all.

For example, when it was alerted for participation [ie mobilised] in the September 1939 invasion of Poland, the 8th Panzer Regiment had 162 panzers including 9 Befehlspanzer (command tanks) [probably Panzer 1s], 57 Panzer I, 74 Panzer II, a mere 3 Panzer IIIs and 7 Panzer IV. (Zaloga, Stephen (2011). Panzer IV vs Char B1 Bis, Oxford: Osprey Publishing. |isbn=978 1 84908 379 9 |p=40.)

J&D, Pz Tr 3-1 say most of the 60 Ausf A-D completed by Fall 1938 probably went to Poland, with 30 Pz III being lost, although not necessarily total write-offs. What about the Ausf. E's made from January 1939? Try J&D 2007a...

Sums

According to Panzertruppen vol. 1, pp. 117, 120-121, carefully tabulated from bare numbers in this blog, at the start of the French Campaign (or Fall Gelb) there were 349 Panzer IIIs (381 total inc. reserves), of which 135 were lost; and 280 Pz IVs, of which 97 were lost. Both give losses of around 35%.

BUT...

Major HMMM... Tooze says User:MinorProphet/Draft subpages/German aluminium casting alloys made during WW2#More Tooze... Finally, the war "By 10 May 1940, Germany’s equipment with medium-heavy battle-tanks had almost tripled relative to the position at the end of the Polish campaign. Germany now (NB 10 May 1940) had 785 Mark IIIs, 290 Mark IVs and 381 Czech medium tanks, 1,456 vehicles in total."(Tooze, p. 404)

Deffo some extreme figures? Do Jentz or Tooze state their sources? Why do you care?

Ernst Kniepkamp

(sometimes Ernest)

[Short biographical sketch of Kniepkamp in Spielberger, Panther tank and variants p. 230]

Patents

Well, he was fairly obviously an experienced design engineer, many patents including torsion bars and possibly gearboxen as well. Are any on Google patents? or any other database?

BIOS Report #36/18 (in Estes) said he joined the German Army Ordnance in 1926, was concerned with tank development from then.

He must have been good at staying in his job, coz he was in WaPruf 6 until almost the end of the war.

Lots of info here: https://www.livesteammodels.co.uk/dhmg/kettenkrad01a.html

"He was born in 1895, in Wuppertal, Germany. Presumably he would have served in the military during WW1, however I have seen no mention of it. After World War I he graduated in the Technische Hochschule de Karlsruhe. From 1923 he worked in the design of transmissions in the MAN company until 1925/26."

"He worked for the MAN company for 3 years prior to employment at Heereswaffenamt (loosely Military Weapons Office)." "Finished the war as a General - photo shows Colonel uniform? Iron Cross WW1?"

"The date that Herr Kniekamp becoming head of Wa Pruef 6 seems to be a source of confusion. Most sources state that he was appointed as its head in 1936. However, another source states that an Oberst Sebastian Fitchner (Colonel in the English world) was head from 1936 until 1942 and that during that time, Kniepkamp was responsible for all new tank development projects - effectively Panzer III and IV and then Tiger I, Panther and Tiger II. There is a story that Kniepkamp was over ruled about the suspension design for the Pz III and IV and if he wasn't the head of Wa Pruef 6 during that period then the story does make sense.

"Noteworthy is the fact that Fitchner and Kniepkamp together were reported to have visited Guderian's 2nd Panzer Army on 18th November 1941 to study the Russian T-34 which was causing so much trouble - from this visit came the requirement that eventually resulted in the Panther tank. "

"Working for Wa Pruef 6 he effectively designed the overlapping wheels, torsion bar suspension and redundant steering if front wheel(s) removed concept and lastly the lubricated track system BUT not the whole of any vehicle."

Stuf

• Drawer B2, Folder 300080-01. Germany, Engines, Ernest Kniepkamp. Notes: Documents.

List of actual designs

1. Sd.Kfz. 6,D ll 1, Demag Lilliput 1 (LL for clarity). 1934-1935 (PzTr 22-1-2 & -3) NB! Versuchs-Serie (VS projects) were paid for by Wa Pruf 6, usually limited from two to five vehicles. (PzTr 22-1-5) The D4 pre?-production series used an HL25 (65 PS @ 2,800 - 22-1-5) or 3,000 (Milsom 1975 p. 86)
2. Kettenkraftrad Sd.Kfz. 2, HK 101 - his initals?

References

Notes

Citations

Bibliography

NB!!! How about putting all the J&D books in chrono date order, in all your articles which cite them, inc. Maybach engines & gearboxes and ZF gearboxes?  Done

• Anonymous (c. 1930). "Leichttraktor manual" (PDF) (in German). Retrieved 25 July 2021.

• Chamberlain, Peter; Doyle, Hilary (1993). Encyclopedia of German Tanks of World War Two: A Complete Illustrated Directory of German Battle Tanks, Armoured Cars, Self-Propelled Guns and Semi-Tracked Vehicles, 1933–1945 (revised ed.). London: Arms and Armour. ISBN 1854092146.

• Jentz, Thomas L.; Doyle, H. L. (1997b). Germany's Tiger Tanks: VK 45.02 to Tiger II - Design, Production and Modifications. Atglen, PA: Schiffer Publishing. ISBN 9780764302244.

• Jentz, Thomas L.; Doyle, H. L. (2000a). Sturmgeschuetz - s.Pak to Sturmmoerser. Panzer Tracts 8. Darlington, MD: Darlington Productions. ISBN 9781892848048.

• Jentz, Thomas L.; Doyle, H. L. (2000b). Germany's Tiger Tanks: D.W. to Tiger I - Design, Production & Modifications. Atglen, PA: Schiffer Publishing. ISBN 9780764310386.

• Jentz, Tom; Doyle, Hilary (2001). Paper Panzers: Panzerkampfwagen, Sturmgeschuetz, and Jagdpanzer. Panzer Tracts 20-1. Boyds, MD: Panzer Tracts. ISBN 0-9708407-3-X.

• Jentz, Thomas L.; Doyle, H. L. (2002a). Panzerkampfwagen I Kleintraktor to Ausf B. Panzer Tracts 1-1. Boyds, MD: Panzer Tracts. ISBN 9780970840769.

• Jentz, Thomas L.; Doyle, H. L. (2002b). Panzerkampfwagen I Kl.Pz.Bef.Wg. to VK.18.01. Panzer Tracts 1-2. Boyds, MD: Panzer Tracts. ISBN 9780970840783. ???

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