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Peace

Ha ha, I like the "Image related bot messages" archive, bloody betacommandbot is driving me nuts at the moment. Take a peek at this and weap. Anyway, look, I'm sorry if I came across as defensive, and the studio thing was not at all meant as condescending, though I can see now that it could be seen as exactly that. In other news Slayer played in Cork the week before last, and I had tickets, but spent the week in frigging dublin, and missed it. I've been in a bad mood since, as you've probably noticed ;). Ceoil 08:23, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

The bot is also driving me nuts - I got a warning recently for calling Betacommandbot etc. actions resemblant of the Gestapo, and the action of an editor who removed an album cover from the Slayer article as stupid. I still fail to understand why album covers need fair use rationales considering it's used as a promotional tool, and their ruthless nature is driving away some editors. I have noticed some editors pages being clogged with image messages, and it sucks - I made an archive specifically for it so it doesn't get jumbled with the real messages from real people. Don't worry about the studio thing re Be Here Now as my reply wasn't exactly that great, so consider it all a misunderstanding. You've done some good work on that article by the way, though part of me wishes it was an aspect of Oasis I actually knew (like one of their more known songs or something). I ain't had much time for Wikipedia of late due to off Wiki things, so that's bit of a shame. Too bad you missed Slayer in Cork, as that must've been gutting. On the gigs front, November is looking good for Cardiff gigs - we have Motorhead, Alice Cooper and Heaven and Hell all playing in the same week in November. The management for Motorhead and Heaven and Hell send me promos to review and give me interview opportunities, so I'm hoping I may be able to interview Motorhead etc. - it's unlikely due to their high profile, but worth a try :) LuciferMorgan 15:54, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
I saw Slayer in the mid-1900s; it was just f*k*n* great, so yes I am well gutted. Whatever. Your face to face with Lemmy would be sweet indeed - so what are you, some kind of journalist or fanzine editor? If so you might be interested in this post I left with Wesley last night; the more I look into the reviews of "Be Here Now" the more I reckon there was a lot of backhanders and calculation going on. Or am I just naive to begin with. Ceoil 21:50, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
I guess another reason why you're annoyed is because you didn't get to see Lombardo, who's a great player. I saw them in October 2006 - photos by my friend can be seen here. They tour a lot though, so maybe you'll get more chances sometime soon.
There's a definite reason why I feel "Be Here Now" initially gained positive reviews - it was simply because the journalists thought their individual opinions would be looked down upon. At the time Oasis were big as hell, so that person probably thought in writing a positive review he would be reflecting the viewpoint of the readers (everything looks better in hindsight). Journalists usually think of their editors etc. lol. It's always hard for the first person to stand up and say the truth, though when one does the rest follows. Of course it isn't the same in Metal - if a big band releases a new CD, the usual way of things is to say it's rubbish compared to early releases.
I'm an editor of a small webzine (so small I'm the only staff member), which is Lucem Fero. I basically use it as a vehicle to get band interviews, though my site hasn't been up long and I haven't interviewed anyone too big. It's nothing much compared to the bigger Metal sites, but I enjoy it and it makes me happy :). I'm really hoping I can arrange a Lemmy interview for November, so fingers crossed - the fact their management sends me promos / gives me interviews should go in my favour. I'm going to try for Heaven and Hell (Black Sabbath really it is) who are managed by the same people, but that's an even longer shot than Lemmy. I can but hope though :) LuciferMorgan 22:20, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Yep, they knew the general readership wanted good reviews and they gave the album the requisate stars, but tempered their words with sly digs. The monthly's, bless 'em, pandered at the time, and have tried to make up for it since with a backlash that is going on for some 9 years now. Best of luck with Heaven and Hell, let me know how you get on. Ceoil 22:33, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Indeed they have - Oasis will be never as popular as they once were in the mid 90's, though even their popularity these days a lot of bands never achieve. But yeah, it's obvious they know it's a poor album - zero songs appeared on the "best of", yet several B-sides did. I guess they were out to lunch at the time. I'll indeed let you know if I get to interview Heaven and Hell - I real hope so, because it'd annoy the guy I used to interviews for like Hell (no pun intended) haha. Iommi would be the ideal choice. LuciferMorgan 22:46, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Out to lunch is understating it. Cocaine, and lots of it. Which is fine, but it does'nt make for great albums. Ask Pantera, or that band that released "reload" in the mid 1990s. Or "Chinese whispers". Bad, bad, bad. Ceoil 22:55, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
They like their coke do bands - reminds me of Sabbath's "Snowblind". The band that released "Reload" in the mid 1990s should've combined it with "Load" and made one album instead of two - the other filler songs should've then been used as B-sides. Metallica's mid 1990s work would be seen in a very different light if they'd done that. By the way, which Pantera CD are you referring to? LuciferMorgan 23:14, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
RE: "one of their more known songs": Might I suggest taking a look at "Live Forever" sometime? We collaborated on it and I think it's close to GA status. Feedback would be appreciated. WesleyDodds 08:28, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
Re: I'll take a look at Live Forever in a day or two and post my thoughts on your page Wesley. Is there some sort of drive to improve Oasis articles of late by the way? Just wondering. I need to get around to some Maiden songs / albums sometime... LuciferMorgan 20:14, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
No, those are the only ones we've done work on so far, although once R.E.M. (band) gets through GAC I plan to put up Oasis (band) at our Collaboration of the Week nominations page. I have the sources on hand to improve Definitely Maybe immensely, but that's personally not one of my potential projects for the forseeable future. Of course, if you want to go for any articles I'll be happy to help out. Oh, and given my brother is a huge Iron Maiden fan, he has some good resources on hand (notably the biography and the Early Days DVD), but I don't think I'll have an opportunity to visit him and borrow stuff anytime soon. WesleyDodds 23:57, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
That sounds cool re the Project plans - this is the kind of thing I'd like to have with the Metal Project, but I'm mostly busy these days and there aren't really enough great editors interested in Metal. Thanks for offering to help with any alternative articles I may work on, but I don't really have the published material at hand. As concerns Iron Maiden, I have the 2nd edition of the bio, the unofficial Stenning bio and a book on Derek Riggs (tons of info on the cover artwork in that). I'm just wondering if the Early Days DVD has a lot that isn't in the official bio, as I wish to work on an article about early Maiden first. LuciferMorgan 13:46, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Far Beyond Driven. I lost interest in metal around 1988; too much hair and make-up around then for my taste. Vulgar Display of Power and Urban Discipline brought me back, but did'nt like the follow ups from either of thoes bands...too overblown and, to my ears, coked out of it. Switched over to black metal. Ceoil 13:27, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Far Beyond Driven overblown? That's the best album Pantera did, and has the main classic songs on it :) Vulgar Display of Power sounded too amateurish for me in terms of the music played and the production. So.. what black metal have you been listening to? LuciferMorgan 20:10, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

the best album Pantera did? Jesus christ man; but I suppose we'll have to agree to disagee on this one. I like Darkthrone mostly, and I began my career on wikipedia editing the Mayhem page. My ex-girlfriend is german, so Demoniac, all that stuff. But I also like gothic metal, and goth music in general. Sister of Mercy, thats me that is. Ceoil 00:23, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

A lot of people feel that CD was Pantera's best that I've spoken to :), but yeah we can agree ti disagree. It's ironic you like Darkthrone, since they got an album coming out in a month or two on Peaceville and I intend to request an interview with them. I'll keep you posted on whether anything comes out of that request. Mayhem's a curious band to edit, given their history etc. - have you read Lords of Chaos? Gothic metal sounds cool to me also. LuciferMorgan 20:09, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
The first half of Lords of Chaos is great, I must have read it seven or eight times by now, but it lost me in the second half when they start discussing all that norse folklore and nazi bullshit. Its an interesting story; I realise Varg is nuts, but in a way he's an interesting character, quite bright, which is more than can be said for Euronymous or Necrobutcher.[1]. Ceoil 12:00, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
I noticed in a few post you've made that you have an interest in reading up on music theory and production; I'm not expert myself, but I highly recommend that you do so. It's a daunting subject; its complex and there is a steep learning curve, but its very rewarding and really adds to you appreciation. There are very good articles on this site, visit some of the classical music pages and follow the blue links to the termonology. I'm working on this at the moment, and while I don't understand all of the "Instrumentation and score" section, I've learned a huge amount in the process. Its funny, people slag metal, but almost without exception metal band people tend to be highly skilled musicians, and with metal is really is "just about the music". Ceoil 12:31, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
I agree with your assessment of Lords of Chaos - it does delve into Norse folklore too much etc. and place that as the reasons for their racial opinions. A better approach would have been from a psychological perspective, and to discuss their childhood and the significant events that made them who they are. As concerns Varg, I'd say it's rather obvious he is racially biased although to say he is dumb would be false - he presents his arguments in an eloquent manner and I can see how come less confident people would get lost in his philosophical ramblings. I have the 2nd edition, and that rambles on about some Varg / UFO business - Vikernes himself dismisses the book. I've always wanted to interview him - not about his racial ideas, but more about Burzum etc. Necrobutcher I haven't really read up on, though I don't know what to think of Euronymous - there's a lot of conflicting opinions about him. LuciferMorgan 13:30, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
I definitely have an interest in reading up on music theory, as it'd definitely help me when interviewing bands. Sometimes they come out with basic music playing terms and I can't understand them. It definitely sounds daunting, though it'd be something great to get a grasp of. I'll visit some of the classical music pages sometime - I had a singer called Vorph of Samael tell me about how he likes Shostakovich recently (check here). I agree with your sentiments as regards Metal - most people think of Bill and Ted when it comes to Metal. Having said that, it does annoy me when you have certain people saying something isn't "Metal" enough. LuciferMorgan 14:47, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
I stalk you too Luicfer, just so you know. ;). Ceoil 17:18, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
Jesus this is becoming a long thread, but anyway. Have you read "Choosing Death: the improbable History of Death Metal and Grindcore". I just go it last night, and its really great. Goes on a bit too much about Napalm Death though, and no mention of Electro Hippies. Same crowd that published Lords of Cahos. Ceoil 17:31, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
No problems about getting "stalked" - whenever I say occasionally say something rather venomous, I usually get 5 or 6 replies so there's some others out there stalking me also. It's nice though to have some genuine people "stalk" me also.
I've never read that book on death metal / grindcore, though it sounds like I should buy it sometime. I've been liking this Canadian writer called Martin Popoff a lot - he's doing these limited books (to a 1000) called "Ye Olde Metal" which delve into obscure old albums and speak to the members, albums (one of each) on bands like Trapeze, Uriah Heep, Humble Pie, MC5, Captain Beyond etc. are in the first book. It's self-published by Popoff so you have to buy it from his official site (costs about £19 each book), and only the first one is out yet. Worth the money though.
On a personal note re Napalm Death, I was one of the last people to interview former Napalm axeman Jesse Pintado prior to his death (check here). A creepy excerpt;

Rockdetector: Did the media twist the situation in some ways? The media reported that the band stated you had personal problems and alcohol issues, so did they manipulate the facts?

Pintado: "Yeah, of course. The other day I was browsing the internet, and they stated I was dead! I thought 'Oh shit, I'm dead!' I really don't pay much attention to that."

Eek. Ceoil 18:05, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, that's how I felt. The name of the article has been changed since his death also. It's full name originally was "DEAD SHALL RISE - REFORMED GRINDCORE MERCHANTS TERRORIZER STALK THE 21ST CENTURY ARMED WITH NEW ALBUM 'DARKER DAYS AHEAD'. GUITARIST JESSE PINTADO TELLS ALL...", but the editor changed it after his death. And the odd thing is that his death was rumoured online also prior to being officially confirmed. Creepy indeed. LuciferMorgan 18:10, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Album covers are in danger of mass deletion, it's already happening so far as I know. I agree with you that they are obviously "fair use" (legally and morally), and the normally litigious record industry don't give a f*ck if we use them which says a lot. Keep an eye on the talk at WP:ALBUM and the admin noticeboards would be my advice.

I hope we don't ever have to leave, but if it comes to it I'm not adverse to trying to take the popular-music community to a new site (as was once suggested to me when I complained about this). --kingboyk 21:38, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Heh, and karma came and gave me a kicking - sh*tload of KLF images tagged for insufficient rationales. --kingboyk 22:09, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

I've seen a ton of covers being deleted in the Heavy Metal articles, and it sucks. Album covers are used all over, and the labels don't care - it's free promotion. Online shops, webzines - in fact, some review CDs come with media sections which have the album cover for you to download and use with your website / magazine. The popular music community may, or may not, come. Depends really. Anyway, Wikipedia sucks at the moment. Too many serpents lurking in the shadows for my liking, and too much bickering. I may leave Wikipedia before I'm forced to the way the wind is blowing. LuciferMorgan 01:09, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

No its fine, I'm grand, but I do appreciate your post, nice to see a friend amid all the bullshit on this website. Ceoil 00:58, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

There is a lot of bullshit on this website... people who dislike others talking all friendly. Least I say what I mean lol... just put on a good record and crank it up a bit. LuciferMorgan 01:07, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
"I say what I mean": Yeah but you need to tone down a little. If you want to fight fire with fire, be a little more subtle and fight the substance of the jist and not the editor. That's hard, but try it. Anyway, I'm tired, bailing out; cya, bye. Ceoil 01:19, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
I ain't been bad of late lol, so chill out a little. I've toned it down, though I still think there's too much ass kissing going on Wikipedia - now that's boring. Ok, enjoy the sleep. LuciferMorgan 01:26, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
You've been mailed, bty. Ceoil 03:06, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
Yep, I have. I've replied :) LuciferMorgan 17:10, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Stop

I keep putting the American Child cover in the infobox in the article and you keep removing it - stop doing this, as it serves no purpose. Continue removing it and I'll have no qualms about reporting you to ANI. LuciferMorgan 10:27, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

no idea what you´re trying to say really. I didn´t "keep removing" anything. Further, I don´t know what ANI is, but I don´t appreciate threats. Have a nice day! Cloudz679 01:43, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Total rubbish - you've removed the cover twice which is proven by the article's edit history, and you know exactly what I am saying so don't lie. That's considered vandalism. And don't wish me a nice day - it's false, underhanded and I don't appreciate it one iota. LuciferMorgan 06:25, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
The proof, when you bother to check the page's edit history, is that I only made two edits to that page. The first of which removed nothing whatsoever. The vandalism is in your head. Have a great day though! Cloudz679 21:27, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
I checked the edit history, and my edit to the article adding the cover art isn't there no longer for some reason. I'm a little confused... and I did check the page's edit history. LuciferMorgan 21:31, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I only over-wrote it once, and that was after this comment on your edit [2]. I'd just like to ask you to think twice before making personal attacks in the future. Cloudz679 21:41, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Hmm.. was sure I checked it. LuciferMorgan 21:50, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

News

Just to let you know, as you may be interested, that there is now a Wikipedia:WikiProject Motörhead.--Alf melmac 05:58, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

That sounds real cool, as I'm a real fan of the band. Are there drives for specific article improvements? LuciferMorgan 00:50, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
Not as yet, the project has only been up a week or so, but I do hope so.--Alf melmac 15:40, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Me also, as I'd like to get stuck in. I don't like these Projects which beyond forming do little else. LuciferMorgan 15:45, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

LGBT WikiProject Newsletter

Delivered on 16:00, 6 July 2007 (UTC).

GA/FA

No, not really. Just working where I see stuff that could use expansion etc. -- Shatterzer0 19:43, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Actually, now I got one for you, as I redid the whole Soilwork entry. It has nearly 40 references etc and could qualify for a GA/FA maybe. -- Shatterzer0 08:20, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Sure man. I'm assuming it has to deal with source naming really as I see you've done a couple of them already. Kinda looks like an eyesore there... -- Shatterzer0 20:20, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

About Putting Pictures On Wikipedia

Hello, I have been editing the Alex Harvey discography section for some time now, I have been considering putting the album covers on each appropriate page (e.g: [[Framed {SAHB Album)|Framed]] will hopefully have a picture of this album). I didn't really know who to ask, and I saw your name when I was looking around the SOiL pictures, so I thought I'd ask you for guidance. For the SOiL Throttle Junkies picture you put down a section called "Fair Use For Throttle Junkies", and I was just wondering that if I put the Framed album cover on the Framed page, and obviously, stating what the picture is, and where it came from and giving a link to the website, along with the "non-free album cover" licensing thing on, could I do what you did and also put down a section called "Fair Use For Framed, stating that the picture is a low resolution copy, doesn't limit copyright owner's right...etc. I'm just asking because I want to make sure that this would be allowed by Wikipedia, because I've never uploaded pictures on here before and I know that Wikipedia have to make sure that everythings alright with copyright and stuff. So if I was to do that, would that be allowed? EndlessWires 13:54, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

One more question about putting pictures on Wikipedia

Hey again, thanks for help, just one more question I'd like to ask you. When you click on a picture it takes to the page with the licensing on it and everything, well there is a section on every one of these pages called "File history", now is that something I would have to add myself, or does that just get automatically put on? Cheers. EndlessWires 23:04, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

GAC elimination drive

Not sure if you were interested in participating, however, I noticed the nomination of a few articles I thought you might enjoy reviewing: Wikipedia:Good_article_candidates#General_transportation. Regards, LaraLove 16:02, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

FA

Blimey, that was quick! Cheers. Angmering 06:40, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

I'll see about The Quatermass Xperiment. Quatermass (TV serial) is actually mostly the work of the excellent User:Joe King, and definitely worthy of recognition, I'd agree. Not sure how many more I'll need for an FT bid. Angmering 20:38, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
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