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Job
[edit]Job (hated)
Eliphaz (God of gold) the Temanite. (follower of Teman?)
Bildad (uncertain derivation) the Shuhite. (follower of Shuah?)
Zophar (departing) the Naamathite. (follower of Naamath?)
Elihu (God of him) son of Barakel the Buzite of the kind(red) of Ram
Eliphaz appears to be older than Job.
Zophar and Elihu are definitely much younger. (and quite possibly the same person)
Bildad is probably between these extremes but certainly does not consider himself to be old according to job 8:8–9 .
plowing oxen (springtime?) and donkeys taken by Sabeans.[note 1]
sheep burned up by fire from God.[note 2]
camels carried off by 3 raiding parties of Chaldeans[note 3]
firstborn (and other sons and daughters with him) killed by spirit on first day of 8 day feast.[note 4]
Job afflicted with painful sores.[note 5]
FIRST ROUND
[edit]- Job
- curses the day of his birth
- wishes he had never been born
- why does God give light/life to (i.e. watch over/protect[1]) the bitter of soul, whose way is hidden/hedged in, who search for death.
- what I feared has come upon me. (destruction from God)
- Eliphaz
- if you are innocent then you shouldnt be dismayed
- those who sow trouble reap it
- a dream tells him that man shouldnt question Gods doings
- only fools (that lack deep roots and dwell in tents) resent Gods correction unto death
- trouble does not sprout from the ground
- I would appeal to God to rescue me
- do not despise the discipline/medicine of God
- you will come to your grave like sheaves harvested in season.
- Job
- Gods correction? His poison arrows are in me
- I am just flesh and blood. how could I not be dismayed
- brothers are undependable as intermittent streams
- does man not have hard service upon earth? (a reference to the fall & curse perhaps)
- I cant even sleep because I have nightmares.
- my life is but a breath & I prefer strangling.
- why does God watch over me? am I a leviathan?
- what is man that you, O watcher of men, examine him & never look away.
- Why do you not forgive my sins since I will die soon
- Bildad
- does God pervert Justice
- plead with the almighty & if you are pure and upright then God will restore you to your rightful place.
- ask the older and wiser former generations (like Eliphaz?) for we were born only yesterday
- the godless are like reeds that are easily uprooted and wither quickly
- his house is like a spiders web. it will not stand
- they are like plants on rocky ground
- Job
- how can a mortal be righteous before God
- how could I dispute with him. God does not restrain his anger. he would crush me with a storm.
- He destroys the blameless and the wicked alike. if it is not he then who?
- (Matthew 5:43 He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the just and unjust)
- there is no one to arbitrate between us
- I would say to God 'tell me what charges you have against me.
- you molded me from (imperfect) clay so why do you now turn and destroy me?
- Zophar
- God has forgotten some of your sins
- God is unfathomable.
- I wish God would disclose to you the secrets of wisdom but a fool cannot become wise
- Put away your sin and life will be brighter than noonday
SECOND ROUND
[edit]- Job
- you think you are wise men but who does not know these things? even the animals know.
- In Gods hand is the life/breath of every creature/man.
- you are all worthless Physicians
- you show partiality toward God. (God should be subject to his own laws)
- God would rebuke you for doing so
- I will defend my ways to his face. indeed, no godless person would dare do that.
- man born of woman (eve) is of few days and born to (sin?) trouble/hard service. God should look away till he has put in his time as a hired man.
- all the days of my hard service I will wait for my release. then you will cover over my sins.
- But as water wears down mountains so you destroy mans hope.
- Eliphaz
- witless empty notions undeserving of a response.
- you hinder devotion to God with the tongue of the crafty. (like the serpent in the garden?)
- are you Adam? are you older than the mountains?
- we speak gently to you and your eyes flash and you rage against God
- heavens are not pure in his eyes, how much less a man born of woman (eve?) that drinks evil like water
- Wise men declare that the ruthless man knows that he has but little time.
- he shakes his fist at God and charges against him even though he is just a fat man.
- his wealth will not endure. he will not escape.
- the breath of God will carry him away.
- let him not trust what is worthless for he will get nothing in return.
- He will be barren (childless) like a vine stripped of its unripe grapes. olive tree aborting its blossoms
- they conceive trouble and bear evil.
- Job
- if you were in my place I would comfort you but you are miserable conforters.
- God has turned me over to evil men.
- the grave awaits me
- God has closed their mind to understanding. they say 'light is near' when my only hope is death. (i.e. no hope at all. no hope in sheol)
- Bildad
- you call us stupid cattle but then tear yourself to pieces in your anger
- gives a fine wise sounding speech about the dwelling place of one who knows not God.
- Job
- 10 times now you have reproached me. my error remains my concern alone.
- God has wronged me. though I call for help there is no justice. Gods sword has struck me.
- he has alienated my kinsmen/acquaintances/wife from me. but you should instead fear the sword yourselves.
- zophar
- your rebuke dishonors me and I am disturbed
- Since man was on earth though evil is sweet to an evil man yet it will turn his stomach sour. it will become the venom of serpents within him. (forbidden fruit?)
- . (the flood?)
THIRD ROUND
[edit]- Job
- no, the wicked live on safe and the rod of God is not upon them
- It is said that God stores up a mans punishment for his sons. what does he care in sheol about the family he leaves behind? in sheol no one denounces his conduct or repays him for what he did.
- you say 'where now is the great mans house'. travelers say 'the evil man is spared/delivered from day of wrath (flood)'
- you console me with nonsense.
- Eliphaz
- you withheld food from the hungry that is why a flood of waters cover you
- you say 'God does not see us'. you are like the men before the flood. their foundation was washed away
- accept Gods instruction. return to God.
- assign your gold of Ophir to the dust and the rocks
- make God your gold then you will lift up your face to God.
- Job
- I would argue my case before God and God would not consider that to be a sin
- the poor are worked (hard service) like wild donkeys of the desert. yet God charges no one with wrongdoing
- those who rebel against the light (murderer, adulterer) make friends with the terrors of the darkness
- but Gods eyes are on their ways so in the end they are harvested LIKE ALL OTHERS.
- Bildad
- God shines his light/love upon all
- How then can a man born of woman (eve) who is but a maggot be righteous before him
- Job
- till I die I will not admit you are right. I will not deny my integrity
- heritage of the ruthless man. his house is like a moths cocoon. terrors overtake him like a flood without mercy
- men search high and low for treasure but dont realize that wisdom is worth more than any treasure.
- where can wisdom/understanding be found. the fear of the Lord is wisdom. to shun evil is understanding
- I long for the days when Gods lamp shone on me
- I broke the fangs of the wicked. but now sons of a banished brood mock me
- God will bring me down to death
- Let God weigh me in honest scales and he will know I am innocent
- For I dreaded destruction from God therefore I avoided:
- looking lustfully at a girl
- walking in falsehood. turning from the path
- sleeping with my neighbors wife
- denying my servants justice when they had a grievance
- denied the poor, widows, fatherless
- not clothing the naked
- putting my trust in gold
- regarding the sun or moon
- rejoicing at my enemy's downfall
- closing the door to the traveler
- concealing my sins because I feared the contempt of the crowd
- not paying the workers of the land
- Let God put his indictment in writing
- if the land cries out agianst me then let God curse me as he did Adam
- elihu
- I am young and you are old so I waited to speak
- I will show partiality to no one
- you say 'I am pure and without sin yet God has found fault with me'
- you complain that God does not answer for any of his actions
- God does speak. In dreams.
- A man may be chastened in a bed of pain till his soul draws near the angel of death. (tree of death)
- but an angel (tree of life) may ransom him. then he confesses 'I sinned but didnt get what I deserved'.
- Job says 'it profits a man nothing to try to please God'
- It is unthinkable that God would pervert justice. He shows no partiality toward princes
- if God withdrew his spirit and breath then all mankind would return to the dust
- God has no need that men should come before him in judgement. he sees all.
- Should God reward you on your terms when you refuse to admit your guilt? To your sin you add rebellion
- you ask 'what do I gain by not sinning'
- your wickedness effects only the sons of men.
- If God does not answer when men cry out it is because of their arrogance
- like your arrogance for saying you want to take God to court
- God is mighty but just. if men are bound in chains God tells them that they have sinned arrogantly
- if you accept his correction and admit your fault then you will spend the rest of your days in contentment
- if not then you will perish
- the Godless resent Gods correction. they perish young.
- God is wooing you from the jaws of distress to a spacious place free of restriction
- beware of turning to evil, which you prefer to affliction
- God is great. beyond our understanding. he holds nothing back
- the heavens obey Gods laws (commands)
- he brings clouds to punish men with a flood or to water the earth and show his love.
- we cannot draw up a case before him because of our darkness. no one can look at the sun
Yhwh speaks from the whirlwind
[edit]- YHWH rules the heavens
- earths foundation rests on what
- the gates of the deep/sheol.
- thunderstorm brings thunder but also water
- can you bind/loose orion/pleiades (with the keys of the kingdom of heaven?)
- can you set up the laws of the heavens on earth
- would you kill one animal so that a hungry dangerous beast would not die?
- would you help wild mountain goats give birth? their fawns would leave you and never return.
- the wild donkey of the wasteland would ignore the drivers command.
- would you try to harness a wild ox to till the valley. would you trust it?
- the ostrich doesnt even have enough wisdom to care for her own eggs in the sand.
- the domesticated horse on the other hand will follow your commands. he isnt afraid of anything.even battle
- will a wild hawk/eagle/vulture fly at your command? a rocky crag on a cliff is his stronghold.
- I set before you life and death
- first humble yourself then I will admit you are right(?)
- behemoth. (tree of life)
- leviathan (tree of death)
- everything under heaven belongs to me. (render to God what is Gods and to leviathan what is leviathans?)
Notes
[edit]References
[edit]- ^ Job 2 6And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, he is in thine hand; but save his life.